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shadowmancer |
120. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jan 22 2012, 12:11 AM EST
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"And also I don't think the insects will feed on the Zeds, but if they do would they become infected?"why wouldn't they many insects are carrion eaters - its why you rarely see dead animals in the wild - and no insects have a completely different immune structure than humans - it's why we die in radiation and they don't - ours is based on soft tissues such as bone marrow which is vunrable - also - one thing everyone always seems to forget is varrious governments cold war preperations - the idea most survivalist have is that they will move to areas unaffected - isolated by wind patterns and stone - from fallout - but the governement said "hey thats a good idea" and reversed it - to defend the cities- now the survivalist compound safehavens are littered with nuclear reactor fuel storage areas - and it takes quite a long time for them to be deemed safe (its where depleted uranium munitions come from) that old pre 1970's thinking is a death trap - because once the power grids gone - the emergency gens in the cooling pumps will work for a week - so their safehavens will become nuclear deadzones - after ww2 - a large amount of ddt and a more infamous chemical of nazi origins which shall remain namless was spread - to prevent superabundance of insects and birds due to carrion - my basic argument is know whats in your area and plan accordingly just hunkering down will not be very useful - most areas will be more dangerous after the zombies have died out (gotta love bacteria and bugs) than from the initial zombies. - northern canada will be a safehaven- where i will roam - but you need to know how to survive. you need LOTS of information to survive - observing nature will also help you avoid catastophy - animals survive without all our modern equipment - mirgatory patterns shifted in the ukraine after chernobyl- oh and the bacteria that decompses you is already in your digestive system they go wild at death so zombies have an expriation date Do you find this valuable? |
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Uzzgub |
121. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jan 22 2012, 12:59 AM EST
"northern canada will be a safehaven but you need to know how to survive - where i will roam - you need LOTS of information to survive - observing nature will also help you avoid catastophy - animals survive without all our modern equipment - mirgatory patterns shifted in the ukraine after chernobyl- oh and the bacteria that decompses you is already in your digestive system they go wild at death so zombies have an expriation date"Mate did you read my post, for me to get from England to Canada is going to take so much effort that I would rather go somewhere sunny in the Caribbean. from Bournemouth on the south coast of England to Carlisle on the border with Scotland is around 350 miles so by PedroAsani 'Shamble equation' it would take around 20 days for the Zeds to make it from one end of the country to the other so there isnt any safe place's around, and to be fare there's not that many large herds of animals roaming the country left, and the large areas of 'wilderness' that are left in England are national parks that a. have people living there and b. are not that big yes you need lots of info to survive, but that's the same if your on the move or standing still, and I agree with your argument about knowing your area, that's why im staying in my home town. Do you find this valuable? |
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Uzzgub |
122. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jan 22 2012, 1:00 AM EST
"why wouldn't they many insects are carrion eaters - its why you rarely see dead animals in the wild - and no insects have a completely different immune structure than humans - it's why we die in radiation and they don't - ours is based on soft tissues such as bone marrow which is vunrable - also - one thing everyone always seems to forget is varrious governments cold war preperations - the idea most survivalist have is that they will move to areas unaffected - isolated by wind patterns and stone - from fallout - but the governement said "hey thats a good idea" and reversed it - to defend the cities- now the survivalist compound safehavens are littered with nuclear reactor fuel storage areas - and it takes quite a long time for them to be deemed safe (its where depleted uranium munitions come from) that old pre 1970's thinking is a death trap - because once the power grids gone - the emergency gens in the cooling pumps will work for a week - so their safehavens will become nuclear deadzones - after ww2 - a large amount of ddt and a more infamous chemical of nazi origins which shall remain namless was spread - to prevent superabundance of insects and birds due to carrion - my basic argument is know whats in your area and plan accordingly just hunkering down will not be very useful - most areas will be more dangerous after the zombies have died out (gotta love bacteria and bugs) than from the initial zombies. - northern canada will be a safehaven- where i will roam - but you need to know how to survive. you need LOTS of information to survive - observing nature will also help you avoid catastophy - animals survive without all our modern equipment - mirgatory patterns shifted in the ukraine after chernobyl- oh and the bacteria that decompses you is already in your digestive system they go wild at death so zombies have an expriation date"And errm now I have re-read your post I notice you wasnt telling me to head to Canada, but that's where your going to be sorry Do you find this valuable? |
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shadowmancer |
123. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jan 22 2012, 1:04 AM EST
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Lol that’s okay at least you realised it :) thanks :)
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11ACRBlackhorse |
124. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jan 22 2012, 12:05 PM EST
"the only reasons i wouldn't use the settlers way is simple - with large amouints of carrion - the instect population will explode and they are attracted to large quantities of easily obtainable food - argiculture without tech is hard and with others eating the crops whom you just can't shoot away - next do you know how to farm? do you know you have to let manure decompose before use so it doesnt render any root vegitables inedible - the mods i'll make to vehicles are simple and are based on those done by the soviet army - look at the road system in russia beyond the cities to understand - its non existant full of ditches and well honestly the scars of ww2 ( gotta love countries that use rail more than roads still) - also with fixed locations you could easily be cut off from supplies needed - seiges anyone? and if i passed your property i'd just probably trade some of my surplus with you =/ basic economics would help everyone i believe - and as for small numbers of experts - well see i'd be teaching people the skills i've amassed over the years - i have the advantage of looking at the whole of human history to see what i can do in varried situations. One thing no one mentions in agriculture is soil depletion - in 3 years how will you maintain fertility including oxygenation of the soil? fertilizers aren't enough - what will you do with the contamination of your water supply by green algea? caused by use of chem fertlizers - among other contaimiants "I dont know where you live but my family has been using home made manure from our livestock long before chemical fertilizers ever were made. Im still here and 100,000s if not millions of others that still do it the old fashion way. Yes a seige would be a problem. But thats a security issue that can be planned for to a point. But a noisy smoke belching gasified vehicle will be easier to notice and ambush. Crop rotaion four years then turn to pasture for four and repeat. Not hard Do you find this valuable? |
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11ACRBlackhorse |
125. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jan 22 2012, 12:13 PM EST
"how are you going to deal with the need for soil airation? how much land can you work? what tools ? how will you irrigate? what will you do with all that toxic algea if you use modern fertilizers - its pumped away now - what will you do with the insects that will be in superabundance due to the carion? pestisides are mostly air droped or high pressure sprayed? powergrid is dead remember. know how to make a plow? what about cloth? what are you going to do when the native speicies reasert themselves over the domesticated plants? going to take a lot of time to pull em all out by hand? what are you going to do about deminishing returns and genetic bottleneck? what will you do if its too wet or dry - how will you preserve the seeds prep em for replanting? what are you going to do about the explosion in the bird population caused by the explosion in the insect population? no seeds for you if you can't figure that one out, what about disease ( most virus jumps occur from birds by the way)You got to be joking. A plow is the easiest thing to make. Any peice if sharp metal pulled by people or animal. Remember we arent commercial farming. A group of say 50 people can plow 10acres without animal power for needed crops. Do you find this valuable? |
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11ACRBlackhorse |
126. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jan 22 2012, 12:21 PM EST
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"how are you going to deal with the need for soil airation? how much land can you work? what tools ? how will you irrigate? what will you do with all that toxic algea if you use modern fertilizers - its pumped away now - what will you do with the insects that will be in superabundance due to the carion? pestisides are mostly air droped or high pressure sprayed? powergrid is dead remember. know how to make a plow? what about cloth? what are you going to do when the native speicies reasert themselves over the domesticated plants? going to take a lot of time to pull em all out by hand? what are you going to do about deminishing returns and genetic bottleneck? what will you do if its too wet or dry - how will you preserve the seeds prep em for replanting? what are you going to do about the explosion in the bird population caused by the explosion in the insect population? no seeds for you if you can't figure that one out, what about disease ( most virus jumps occur from birds by the way)Keep seeds let see, maybe my concrete grain silo. Dah, there will be metal, brick, and concrete silos to use. Especially since most wont be used be their dead owners. Salt from homes, stores, ect. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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11ACRBlackhorse |
127. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jan 22 2012, 1:07 PM EST
shadowWhat animal are you gonna fallow that still migrates in the Ontario region? Elk? Carribou? Buffallo? It really dont matter where they will be crossing (ie mountain passes, swampy ground, deep and wide ravines. Your panel van with all its mods with 4X4 and your gasifier will have very limited cross country mobility. You will be pushing over a ton of weight on tires over some real soft ground, rocky terrain, steep hills, deep rivers, ect. For short you will be driving mainly a road vehicle with 4X4 traction. But hey give it a try and when a axle snaps or tranny busts in the middle of nowhere, what will you do. I can survive a grid and infrastructure collapse. Its the desperate people that comes with it thats my biggest worry. Nuclear power plants are almost completely automated nowadays. Plus all the operators at the plant have loved ones that live in the affected area. So they will shut it down before it becomes an issue. The spent fuel rods are in containment containers at these plants. The containment containers are designed to last for over 50yrs minimum. They havent stored raw rods in drums in cooling pools since around the 90s. Irrigation isnt that hard to do. Dig ditches from a water source to your crops. Ive done it when 12yrs old. So if a 12yr old can do it an adult can too. Nobody said farming will be easy. But it can be done and I am now. I can cure meat, store roots and grains, raise livestock, make cheese and butter, tan hides, make clothes and ect ect ect. You will be traveling alone so history should of warned you that people will take what they want when there isnt a stronger force there to stop them. Heck some wont even see who you are and what you have before they shoot you from a hidden location. So hope it bullet proof and now you really are a road only gypsie. But please inform me what animal in your area still migrates that you will fallow like these horseback nomads. Do you find this valuable? |
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shadowmancer |
128. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jan 22 2012, 1:13 PM EST
keep seeds as in dry seeds preping them for replanting (ugh i've got to stop using regional dialect =/ makes posting so much less clear my bad ) because i can't see them being done open air =/ electric won't be an option =/ and well well older modles of seed dryers may work but i'd like to know which method you'd use... guess it also depends on the crops - we need to get into more specifics man or we'll be going arround in cricles forever lol
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shadowmancer |
129. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jan 22 2012, 1:17 PM EST
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"I dont know where you live but my family has been using home made manure from our livestock long before chemical fertilizers ever were made. Im still here and 100,000s if not millions of others that still do it the old fashion way.manure use depends on crops - whatcha gunna grow - it can cause bad bad bad things in certain root crops - when do you drop it on feilds ? you may be allowing it to compost and not know it also =/ i think we need to all be more specific =/ Do you find this valuable? |
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11ACRBlackhorse |
130. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jan 22 2012, 1:31 PM EST
Posting issues
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timberrattler |
131. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jan 22 2012, 1:34 PM EST
Composting manure is an important thing to remember.Spreading manure directly on your garden also spreads every kind of weed seed that a particular animal wasn't able to digest. The process of composting allows your manure to get hot enough to ruin the germanation of weed seeds. Taking that compost and adding it to a worm bin breaks it down even more. Making manure tea or compost tea also keeps un-wanted weed seed off your ground. Why does all of this matter? Put in hours out in the heat pulling weeds and you'll understand the neccesity of keeping weeds out of your garden. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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11ACRBlackhorse |
132. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jan 22 2012, 9:52 PM EST
"manure use depends on crops - whatcha gunna grow - it can cause bad bad bad things in certain root crops - when do you drop it on feilds ? you may be allowing it to compost and not know it also =/ i think we need to all be more specific =/ "Can spread it wet but do it on the grass years and not on its last grass year. 1st year crop corn, 2nd wheat, 3rd beans, and 4th potatoes. Then let the grass growback for 4yrs. Harvest whatever usefull weeds and plants grow wild. 2nd year should have enough green to let animals graze until ready to plow. Land will be broke into about an acre ad in into 8 seperate rotation groups. So there will always be one of each growing and the rest grasing. @TR that is a good point. Thats why or manure compost pile gets all useable materials including ashes from the fire pits and stoves. I wll miss coffee once it cant be salvaged anymore. Do you find this valuable? |
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11ACRBlackhorse |
133. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jan 22 2012, 10:52 PM EST
Shadowmancer didnt last long. He cancelled his membership so I guess answering him is moot.Too bad he had some real valid points. Do you find this valuable? |
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redcomrad |
134. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jun 25 2012, 2:38 AM EDT
"you could possibly grow it if you want, it seems to grow well in relatively high altitude and humid environments, so if you live in the south then well I'm pretty sure you could grow it. Do you find this valuable? |
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Ghoulsmasher |
135. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jun 28 2012, 5:42 PM EDT
For me, the ideal scenario would be to have a semi-nomadic community. We would have numerous well hidden BOLs, easily defendable.
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Medusa374 |
136. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jun 28 2012, 6:13 PM EDT
"For me, the ideal scenario would be to have a semi-nomadic community. We would have numerous well hidden BOLs, easily defendable. "how exactly will you keep others out of the many BOLs? That's why rome fell. And the Soviet union. No resources to upkeep basic needs, and a focus on geographical area. you spread yourslf too thin. Do you find this valuable? |
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11ACRBlackhorse |
137. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jun 28 2012, 8:45 PM EDT
Medusa has a valid point.Someone will find one or more at some point. And depending how long since you were there, they might have completely taken it over. Now what, your old defensible position is held by someone else. And they could be stronger and have improved the defenses. Do you find this valuable? |
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timberrattler |
138. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jun 28 2012, 8:49 PM EDT
Everywhere that the Lone Ranger went Tonto was there. So LR was never really "Lone" IMO.
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Medusa374 |
139. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Jun 30 2012, 1:25 PM EDT
"Medusa has a valid point.@11ACRBlackhorse- I guess the problem would be solved by staying in one BOL and slowly expanding it. The spatial growth has to match the population growth. Its hard work for one man to roll 10 acres of hay now, with machines. Try doing it with a cutter and pitchforks. (I grew up on a farm. It is very tedious) Now imagine having SEVERAL locations that need to be tended. Its just not feasible. @timberrattler- Exactly! The Lone Ranger had someone to watch his back. being a group of 1 is stupid, a group of 2 or 3 significantly increases your chance for survival. Teamwork, you know? Like a locked door with a large window above it. Lift someone high up to get them in the window so they can unlock the door and y'all can loot the place. Do you find this valuable? |