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HeadShotsOnly |
My tea's training
Aug 4 2010, 10:28 PM EDT
When my team trains, we use airsoft. But we try to make it as realistic as possible.Like if your weapon is hit, it is disabled. But your still in the game, you just have to find a way to survive. Parlay and Mercy rule are non-existent. If I sneak up behind someone, I actually pretend to knife them or do any other various stealth kill. If players run into each other, or otherwise get close, they engage in hand to hand. There is no parlay or mercy rule. We try to make it as realistic as we possibly can to get at least some feel for the real thing. And yes, we do take safety measures before and during training. 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?
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DeltaBravo1294 |
1. RE: My tea's training
Aug 5 2010, 12:11 AM EDT
Hey welcome to the site! Just so you know airsoft guns aren't really the best training aid I can think of, seeing as operating an airsoft gun and their real steel counterparts are dramatically different. Not to mention that you don't gain anything useful from shooting eachother with 6mm plastic balls. Post Z-Day knives aren't good for weapons, use them as tools first. In the future post information that shows how you prepare to survive post Z-Day, meaning gathering food, water, supplies, what you need beforehand, and other useful skills. Read this: http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/The+Ultimate+Newbie+Guide Do you find this valuable? |
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LJ126 |
2. Cool!
Aug 5 2010, 1:15 AM EDT
"When my team trains, we use airsoft. But we try to make it as realistic as possible.That sounds like fun! I don't know how valuable of training it is for survival, but it definitely sounds like a good time. BTW - Welcome back to the site! ~LJ Do you find this valuable? |
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2WheeledSpeed |
3. RE: My tea's training
Aug 5 2010, 3:55 AM EDT
Cops and soldiers use airsoft and paintball to train for combat, especially for CQB stuff. And decent airsoft are often 100% identical to their real steel counterparts when it comes to size, and layout and function of the controls. At the very least it's good exercise to run around in the woods, and a whole lot of fun. I know a lot of members on here seem to look down on airsoft. Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
4. RE: My tea's training
Sep 17 2010, 9:49 PM EDT
See, the problem with any zombie scenario is that it's a whole lot of running, ambushing and general adrenaline pumping stuff... when you add hand to hand, it just tends to lead to accidents, hard feelings and stopped games.
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demsmine |
5. RE: My tea's training
Sep 18 2010, 4:43 AM EDT
I once read a study where they took people that didn't know how to play the piano, and the one group they simply had think about playing the piano while the other group "The control" did nothing. Then they gave the two groups piano lessons, and the group that simply thought about playing the piano responded to the lessons far better then the control group. Now although the test study group they used was far to small to really be consider scientific, but I think the principle shines through. And airsoft and paintball are like this study to me. No they aren't the actual thing ,but they get people thinking about the actual thing. Maybe I ought to go out and buy some paintball equipment again. It's been seven years but i bet it's still just as fun. Do you find this valuable? |
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DevilNuts |
6. RE: My tea's training
Sep 18 2010, 4:52 AM EDT
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Practice does NOT make perfect, PERFECT practice makes perfect. It doesn't matter if you are using airsoft, paintball, Nerf guns or throwing rocks at each other. What matters is the training itself and the quality of the instructors. If you have a qualified instructor who knows what he is doing, you can point your fingers at the other team and say "bang" and it can still be quality training (sort of). But if you do not know what you are doing, or why you are doing it, then you are just mimicking things you have seen without knowing why or how it works - basically just playing GI Joe with your buddies. And that is not effective training. In fact, bad training can develop bad habits which could be more harmful than no training at all, simply by virtue of the fact that you don't realize how worthless the bad training is until it is too late. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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demsmine |
7. RE: My tea's training
Sep 18 2010, 5:06 AM EDT
"I've said it before and I'll say it again: Practice does NOT make perfect, PERFECT practice makes perfect.Yeah your right, but a guy that is out playing GI Joes is at least out and moving. Trying to stay low and not get hit is the main idea and that seems pretty good lesson to me. And they're not out training to be the armed forces of a nation, most are just having fun and getting out of the house. But I see you point about bad habits, some paintball player using a piece of ply wood as cover in a fire fight would get a rude awakening about the penetration of bullets. But do think that a skilled instructor would have a better time of training a willing group of paintball or airsoft players, because of their sheer eagerness to learn. Over saw a random group of people off the streets. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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SGTGerman |
8. RE: My tea's training
Sep 18 2010, 5:14 AM EDT
"When my team trains, we use airsoft. But we try to make it as realistic as possible.I hope its going well for you mate. People assume that as soon as you mention things like this that you have no idea etc. What they forget is that you are practising all your battle drills i.e. Contact left, right and assaulting positions. The list is endless. At the end of the day - a team that cannot work together or coordinate may as well not have live ammo or marksmanship. Oh and welcome to da sight :) Do you find this valuable? |
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DevilNuts |
9. RE: My tea's training
Sep 18 2010, 5:25 AM EDT
"...some paintball player using a piece of ply wood as cover in a fire fight would get a rude awakening about the penetration of bullets...."Thanks. I have been waiting nearly two years for someone to acknowledge this. Most people simply dismiss it as irrelevant, when in fact it is anything but. If you train to hide behind the first solid surface you can find, in a real firefight you may as well place your weapon in your mouth and save them the trouble, because bullets will go through just about anything - it's what they are made to do. However, if you train and train and train to do something, during live combat you are NOT going to have the presence of mind to stop and analyze the situation; you are going to repeat the things you have conditioned yourself to do during training. This is the entire purpose of training to begin with !!! And if you have conditioned yourself to hide behind drywall during airsoft matches, when the bullets are real and your mid-brain takes over your body, you are going to hide behind that same sh*t and you are going to get greased. My Marine Combat Training instructor used to say that "In combat you'll never rise to the occasion - you'll only fall back to your level of training." Do you find this valuable? |
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demsmine |
10. RE: My tea's training
Sep 18 2010, 8:46 AM EDT
"Thanks. I have been waiting nearly two years for someone to acknowledge this. Most people simply dismiss it as irrelevant, when in fact it is anything but.I personally have never been shot at, and flying spaghetti monster willing never will be, but I have shot a lot of stuff for fun. And most people I take out to the woods shooting are surprised at what even the lighter rifles can go through. Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
11. RE: My tea's training
Sep 29 2010, 2:59 AM EDT
Agreed totally, DN. Practice makes habits, not perfection.I think about the closest you could get to training would be shooting various medias and being able to recognize what a material will do to a bullet or not. It's the exact same idea as target recognition - "Hands, hands, gun? No gun? Move on. Gun? Shoot." Personally, I find airsoft is a form of tactical proofreading. While it won't catch everything, it tests basic loadouts, formations and tactics before you're in a situation where they could kill you. Do you find this valuable? |
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SGTGerman |
12. RE: My tea's training
Sep 29 2010, 5:57 AM EDT
"Agreed totally, DN. Practice makes habits, not perfection.But any cover is cover right? I'd rather use a hedge line than the just the prone postion in the middle of knowhere. Do you find this valuable? |
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DevilNuts |
13. RE: My tea's training
Sep 29 2010, 6:43 AM EDT
"But any cover is cover right? I'd rather use a hedge line than the just the prone postion in the middle of knowhere. "You're talking concealment. Cover and concealment are NOT the same thing. If you hide behind something and I *know* you're back there, even if I can't see you, doesn't mean my bullets aren't going to shred you. Do you find this valuable? |
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SGTGerman |
14. RE: My tea's training
Sep 29 2010, 6:49 AM EDT
"You're talking concealment. Cover and concealment are NOT the same thing.Ofcourse but surely it depends on what ammunition your enemy is using? From what I have gathered their are a wide range of different ammuntions being used during this survival thing. Some can pierce cover others cannot. Also, if you *know* I'm back their which isn't impossible, are you going to waste the ammo "guessing?" We train with blank ammunition (and hopefully those new laser tag things) but that doesn't make our training to take cover obselete does it? Because blanks, like air soft, will not penetrate it. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
15. RE: My tea's training
Sep 29 2010, 3:03 PM EDT
"Ofcourse but surely it depends on what ammunition your enemy is using?that may depend on the ammo but why take the chance, you're not gonna know what they're using until you get hit so seek the best cover available 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DevilNuts |
16. RE: My tea's training
Sep 29 2010, 4:49 PM EDT
Exactly. And to answer your question German, hell yes I am going to "waste" the ammo to hit you. If you are enough of a threat for me to fire at you to begin with, then you are worth shooting at no matter what you hide behind. Like I said earlier, you would be surprised just how many things a bullet will penetrate. It is what they are designed to do, and they do it quite well. Of course, if you need to seek C&C then do what you gotta do.... but don't wager your life on what the enemy is willing to do to get you. Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
17. RE: My tea's training
Sep 29 2010, 7:10 PM EDT
"Exactly.Didn't you mention .308 tears through concrete blocks in just a few shots? Do you find this valuable? |
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DevilNuts |
18. RE: My tea's training
Sep 29 2010, 7:28 PM EDT
"Didn't you mention .308 tears through concrete blocks in just a few shots?"I've seen video of a 7.72x51mm weapon tearing down approximately ten feet (length) of solid brick wall, reducing it to rubble in just a few bursts. In the same video, we watched a .50 HMG actually tear down a cinder block tower in about a hundred shots, knocking it over completely. Do you find this valuable? |
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SGTGerman |
19. RE: My tea's training
Oct 1 2010, 12:05 PM EDT
"Exactly.Okay, I agree that you obviously need to learn what stops bullets and what doesn't. My point was that Head Shot Only shouldn't feel that the "training" he's doing is a waste of time. If you get contacted, is it really that wise to go waste that first split second to say "Hmm..."? Return fire as you run to the nearest cover. Also, you'd have to watch for where the better cover is. If you don't watch, couldn't easily run into your team mates fire? Especially at night. And about concealment - no it isn't always bullet proof but when we're in a treeline "surpressing" (Despite only having like 4 mags because we stupidly poor) and its dense enough we tend to fire a few shots, move a bit and fire again to keep them guessing? Then again that treeline was proper dense, and full of stingy nettles FML lol. Do you find this valuable? |