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Bajarod2
Bajarod2
20. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 19 2010, 1:47 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 19 2010, 1:47 AM EDT
"well.. muskets still killed..."
Ya. With a row of 20 men firing at another row of 20 men about 30 yards away and only hitting half them. Of course we won't have the smoke and flash problem so accuracy probably will not be too bad. They are about as accurate as a paintball gun. Now go out and practice with that. but you are only allowed to fire once every 20 seconds. See how well you can hit your targets.
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demsmine
demsmine
21. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 19 2010, 2:10 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 19 2010, 2:10 AM EDT
I killed an elk with a muzzle loader at 90 yrds, granted it had rifling so it wasn't a musket. Do you find this valuable?    
Bajarod2
Bajarod2
22. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 19 2010, 2:23 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 19 2010, 2:23 AM EDT
"I killed an elk with a muzzle loader at 90 yrds, granted it had rifling so it wasn't a musket."
Put some spin on a paintball and accuracy and range also increase.
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demsmine
demsmine
23. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 19 2010, 2:29 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 19 2010, 2:29 AM EDT
"Put some spin on a paintball and accuracy and range also increase. "
Yeah but then you got the problem of it still being a paintball,,,, at least it isn't Airsoft. XD
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SovietPrince
SovietPrince
24. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 19 2010, 3:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 19 2010, 3:36 PM EDT
"Ya. With a row of 20 men firing at another row of 20 men about 30 yards away and only hitting half them. Of course we won't have the smoke and flash problem so accuracy probably will not be too bad. They are about as accurate as a paintball gun. Now go out and practice with that. but you are only allowed to fire once every 20 seconds. See how well you can hit your targets."
you know..

us amercians created real warfare... and snipers.
We used muskets in the revolutionary war..
and also used guerilla warfare
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agentaaa
agentaaa
25. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 20 2010, 1:53 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2010, 1:53 AM EDT
And then Canada used even more creative tactics to win the war of 1812. But seriously, it was more of an honor thing than a tactic thing concerning lines. A lot of tactical stupidity was inherent in the british army for the sake of honor. For instance, I do believe that a british officer in the era of the napoleonic wars was not allowed to shirk out of the way of any projectile shot at them, because the action was cowardly. Do you find this valuable?    
Bajarod2
Bajarod2
26. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 20 2010, 2:43 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2010, 2:43 AM EDT
"you know..

us amercians created real warfare... and snipers.
We used muskets in the revolutionary war..
and also used guerilla warfare"
Both very true.

My first paintball gun would go out about 50 feet or so and then it would spin off to the left. If I stayed back from a piece of terrain just that right amount of distance I could get those rounds to turn the corner and hit people that were solidly behind cover. I later learned that I could unscrew my barrel a little and get the ball to curve to the right. The snipers back then knew THEIR firearms. They KNEW the little tiny things that would cause the round to go one way or the other and if they KNEW that if they used some Kentucky windage they could most likely get the round to go in that certain direction most assuredly better than I knew had to manipulate my paintball rounds. Due to that muskets were used before standard parts were developed each man had to literaly rebuild their rifle after a part had worn out. The good ones knew how to build their rifles. I used to sleep with my rifle when I was in the field in the Army, I used to clean it twice a day, and as much as I thought I knew rifle. I didn't know crap about compaired to those sharp shooters back in the day.

So yes, a pnumatic musketman could build a wicked weapon if he put in the time. But no one else would be able to use it, and you would probably be lost without YOUR weapon.
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SovietPrince
SovietPrince
27. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 20 2010, 2:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2010, 2:34 PM EDT
"Both very true.

My first paintball gun would go out about 50 feet or so and then it would spin off to the left. If I stayed back from a piece of terrain just that right amount of distance I could get those rounds to turn the corner and hit people that were solidly behind cover. I later learned that I could unscrew my barrel a little and get the ball to curve to the right. The snipers back then knew THEIR firearms. They KNEW the little tiny things that would cause the round to go one way or the other and if they KNEW that if they used some Kentucky windage they could most likely get the round to go in that certain direction most assuredly better than I knew had to manipulate my paintball rounds. Due to that muskets were used before standard parts were developed each man had to literaly rebuild their rifle after a part had worn out. The good ones knew how to build their rifles. I used to sleep with my rifle when I was in the field in the Army, I used to clean it twice a day, and as much as I thought I knew rifle. I didn't know crap about compaired to those sharp shooters back in the day.

So yes, a pnumatic musketman could build a wicked weapon if he put in the time. But no one else would be able to use it, and you would probably be lost without YOUR weapon."
true.. but aint one of the most important things is to never drop a baby?
[aka your blood sweat and tears into an industrial masterpiece]
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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
28. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 20 2010, 2:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2010, 2:38 PM EDT
Pneumatic rifles are sometimes used in hunting, and I have heard of animals as large as cape buffalo being taken with them.

Having said that, THE ONLY way I would ever hunt a cape buffalo with an air rifle is from a truck, with another guy who has a 12 gauge slug gun backing me up.
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Bajarod2
Bajarod2
29. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 20 2010, 2:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2010, 2:46 PM EDT
I want to go build a potato gun now. Do you find this valuable?    
SovietPrince
SovietPrince
30. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 20 2010, 8:58 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2010, 8:58 PM EDT
"I want to go build a potato gun now."
and i wanna build a pvc pipe rocket launcher..
but we both know that wont work, and a potato gun is just that... a potato gun
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Acer81996
Acer81996
31. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 20 2010, 9:53 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2010, 9:53 PM EDT
A potato gun that shoots saboted metal slugs instead of potatoes. Do you find this valuable?    
SovietPrince
SovietPrince
32. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 20 2010, 11:01 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2010, 11:01 PM EDT
"A potato gun that shoots saboted metal slugs instead of potatoes."
or birdshot...
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Bajarod2
Bajarod2
33. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 20 2010, 11:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2010, 11:51 PM EDT
"or birdshot..."
I was thinking of putting a metal spike in the potato, maybe some stabalizing fins in the rear.
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SovietPrince
SovietPrince
34. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 21 2010, 9:07 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 21 2010, 9:07 AM EDT
"I was thinking of putting a metal spike in the potato, maybe some stabalizing fins in the rear."
ive been wAnting to design and create explosive arrowtips.. that are affordable to make.

it'd be like building a mini rpg essentially,
though i know i couldnt pop a grenade on the end of an arrow shaft.
But.. maybe an explosive charge to spray shrapnel.. even a small minute charge will shoot deadly shrapnel
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Acer81996
Acer81996
35. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 21 2010, 11:54 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 21 2010, 11:54 AM EDT
"ive been wAnting to design and create explosive arrowtips.. that are affordable to make.

it'd be like building a mini rpg essentially,
though i know i couldnt pop a grenade on the end of an arrow shaft.
But.. maybe an explosive charge to spray shrapnel.. even a small minute charge will shoot deadly shrapnel"
I wonder how much gas (CO2, Propane, etc) would I need to shoot that thing out of the barrel at high speed...
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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
36. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 21 2010, 1:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 21 2010, 1:25 PM EDT
Gas consumption would depend on a lot of factors.

Barrel length and diameter.

if you are using an explosive or a compressed propellant

If the propellant is compressed then the vaporization pressure and temperature. Additionally ambiant temperature would cause a change in gas consumption.

Input pressure also plays a factor with gas consumption.
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Filadog
Filadog
37. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 21 2010, 3:05 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 21 2010, 3:05 PM EDT
"Ya. With a row of 20 men firing at another row of 20 men about 30 yards away and only hitting half them. Of course we won't have the smoke and flash problem so accuracy probably will not be too bad. They are about as accurate as a paintball gun. Now go out and practice with that. but you are only allowed to fire once every 20 seconds. See how well you can hit your targets."
What most people "know" about smooth bore muskets is what they read in some book and not from actually shooting them.I have a 62 cal. smooth bore flint lock and I could make head shots with it everytime at 50 yards no trouble.


In the 1700s it was not important for the gun to be accurate because the tactics called for mass firiing...getting the most lead into the air going toward the other side in shortest amount of time. This was a very effective way to fight with the technology they had.
These muskets were loaded using paper cartridges and just ramming an undersize ball down...good for fast shooting but not accuracy.
When you shoot a patched ball out of a musket and add sights to it accuracy improves greatly
it is just funny to read of a modified paint ball gun being compared to a musket

They make air guns that shoot 45 and bigger projectiles and I have read about buffalo being killed with them. I have some powerful quality .22 and 177 guns but none of them are what i would think of as a survival gun.
With all of these you are better off with a common cheap .22 rifle and just stock pile lots of ammo for it
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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
38. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 21 2010, 3:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 21 2010, 3:37 PM EDT
" What most people "know" about smooth bore muskets is what they read in some book and not from actually shooting them.I have a 62 cal. smooth bore flint lock and I could make head shots with it everytime at 50 yards no trouble."
I'd actually be curious to see what sort of consistency you could get out of 10 shots from a smoothbore shooting balls at 50 yards.
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SovietPrince
SovietPrince
39. RE: Pneumatic weapons
Oct 21 2010, 3:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 21 2010, 3:38 PM EDT
"What most people "know" about smooth bore muskets is what they read in some book and not from actually shooting them.I have a 62 cal. smooth bore flint lock and I could make head shots with it everytime at 50 yards no trouble.


In the 1700s it was not important for the gun to be accurate because the tactics called for mass firiing...getting the most lead into the air going toward the other side in shortest amount of time. This was a very effective way to fight with the technology they had.
These muskets were loaded using paper cartridges and just ramming an undersize ball down...good for fast shooting but not accuracy.
When you shoot a patched ball out of a musket and add sights to it accuracy improves greatly
it is just funny to read of a modified paint ball gun being compared to a musket

They make air guns that shoot 45 and bigger projectiles and I have read about buffalo being killed with them. I have some powerful quality .22 and 177 guns but none of them are what i would think of as a survival gun.
With all of these you are better off with a common cheap .22 rifle and just stock pile lots of ammo for it"
two essential weapons to stockpile:
a mosin nagant
and a cheap .22 rifle.

That means multiple of the same thing(just in case you need to supply unarmed people to defend homestead)
and to stock up on ammo as well
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