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White76Knight |
On Black Powder Firearms (sort of)
Aug 9 2010, 5:56 PM EDT
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Okay, I have to throw out an idiot question here.You know those kids cap guns, the ones that take the little red plastic rings with 8 or 12 caps molded into the ring? Would one of those caps, in direct contact, create enough of a flash to ignite the powder charge in a black powder firearm? Could these things be improvised to serve as an ignition source in cap and ball mechanisms if normal percussion caps were unavailable? Or more likely, could a black powder revolver be modified or made from scratch so that it would operate properly on these things? I ask because there are sites where you can buy these things in bulk and get enough caps to fire Twenty Four HUNDRED rounds for less than $20 US. Try that with percussion caps. Do you find this valuable?
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ward_king |
1. RE: On Black Powder Firearms (sort of)
Aug 9 2010, 6:15 PM EDT
no its made for kids they safeness is inherent.
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Carnack |
2. RE: On Black Powder Firearms (sort of)
Aug 9 2010, 6:19 PM EDT
Not sure. It could work in theory.I'd test it. One glaring problem though is that the force of ignition could break the ring/strip. Do you find this valuable? |
ItsMrManCub |
3. RE: On Black Powder Firearms (sort of)
Aug 9 2010, 6:23 PM EDT
"Not sure. It could work in theory.Not to mention that those caps are notorious for failing. Do you find this valuable? |
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Carnack |
4. RE: On Black Powder Firearms (sort of)
Aug 9 2010, 6:54 PM EDT
"Not to mention that those caps are notorious for failing."Yeah. It isn't tight enough so if it's humid that cap won't snap. Do you find this valuable? |
Filadog |
5. RE: On Black Powder Firearms (sort of)
Aug 9 2010, 6:57 PM EDT
I've seen a tool that slowed you to make percusion caps out of aluminum beer cans and the old cap gun caps that were on a paper roll. Think each percusion cap needed a couple cap gun capsBelive it was called "Tap O Cap" or something like that ....maybe Dixie gun works sold it. ....seems it worked OK Casul (sp?...the guy that makes the big magnum revolvers) at one time made a little breach loader ( like a Sharpes ) that took loose powder and used cap gun caps to ignite it. Also shot .32 cal buck shot balls...been on my list of guns to find for awhile Do you find this valuable? |
OutlawJames |
6. RE: On Black Powder Firearms (sort of)
Aug 9 2010, 9:02 PM EDT
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"I've seen a tool that slowed you to make percusion caps out of aluminum beer cans and the old cap gun caps that were on a paper roll. Think each percusion cap needed a couple cap gun capsBack in the 1840's and 50's the U.S. government played with a primer system on thier muskets, called the Maynard tape primer. It consisted of a box on the side lock that held a roll of tape with primer in pockets, Very much like current paper roll caps. The idea was that the solder would load the musket, then just pull the hammer back andand a mechinism would move the next primer up to align with the nipple., That way he did not have to mess with finding and loading a percussion cap. However, the always present moisture problem made it quite unreliable. and the idea was discarded. Do you find this valuable? |
demsmine |
7. RE: On Black Powder Firearms (sort of)
Aug 19 2010, 4:39 AM EDT
Moisture, and I'm guessing the metallic cartridge played a role as well.
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OutlawJames |
8. RE: On Black Powder Firearms (sort of)
Aug 19 2010, 1:14 PM EDT
"Moisture, and I'm guessing the metallic cartridge played a role as well."Naw, it was abandoned well before self contain cartridges came into play to any extent. Do you find this valuable? |
timberrattler |
9. RE: On Black Powder Firearms (sort of)
Aug 19 2010, 1:41 PM EDT
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On the subject of black powder firearms does anyone own one of Mossberg's 500 muzzleloders? Its a pump action shotgun that converts to a single shot muzzleloader. I don't know how it works but the concept is interesting. You can also buy the conversion barrel for any Mossberg 500 for a little over $100.
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2WheeledSpeed |
10. RE: On Black Powder Firearms (sort of)
Aug 19 2010, 1:44 PM EDT
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I've been thinking about Rossi's matched sets, the one I want converts from .243 to 12 gauge to .50 caliber muzzleloader. But I don't know anyone who owns either that or the Mossberg. I like the idea cause It's $200-$300 for effectively 3 weapons.
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Filadog |
11. RE: On Black Powder Firearms (sort of)
Aug 19 2010, 2:24 PM EDT
"On the subject of black powder firearms does anyone own one of Mossberg's 500 muzzleloders? Its a pump action shotgun that converts to a single shot muzzleloader. I don't know how it works but the concept is interesting. You can also buy the conversion barrel for any Mossberg 500 for a little over $100."I picked one up in with some other Mossberg Barrels I bought last year off a guy. It's pretty simple just replaces your shotgun barrel. It takes a standard shotgun primer and not an ordinary percussion cap. I never put it on my shotgun but looked to me like it might be hard to get the primer in to put on...Don't know..maybe they made some type of capping device to reach in.? Ram Rod was kind of flimsy and mounted on top of the barrel if I remember right I think aimed at a guy that wants to go deer hunting during muzzle loading season and not buy another gun, believe I sold mine on gun broker for around $150 so I was real happy Thought about keeping it but kind of gimicky I thought and I have plenty of muzzleloaders,, in a survival situation I would rather just load the shotgun shells with black powder Do you find this valuable? |
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demsmine |
12. RE: On Black Powder Firearms (sort of)
Aug 19 2010, 4:32 PM EDT
Never even heard that mossberg sold barrels to convert your weapon into a muzzle loader, i wonder if they make a .54, I'll have to look it up. I could use another back-up muzzle loader for elk season, but I live in Oregon so I'd have to see if the barrels can be changed to use no. 11 percussion caps. We Oregonians have crappy muzzle loader hunting laws in some respects.
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EdOfTheDead2 |
13. RE: On Black Powder Firearms (sort of)
Aug 23 2010, 12:17 AM EDT
"Never even heard that mossberg sold barrels to convert your weapon into a muzzle loader, i wonder if they make a .54, I'll have to look it up. I could use another back-up muzzle loader for elk season, but I live in Oregon so I'd have to see if the barrels can be changed to use no. 11 percussion caps. We Oregonians have crappy muzzle loader hunting laws in some respects."Oh yeah. 32 on up 75 caliber. Do you find this valuable? |
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demsmine |
14. RE: On Black Powder Firearms (sort of)
Aug 23 2010, 2:46 AM EDT
"Oh yeah. 32 on up 75 caliber."I'm going to have to look into to these barrel, I hope the can be fitted with no. 11 percussion caps. Oh wait we have to have an open ignition system to be legal in Oregon for hunting. I'm still going to check them out though, maybe I'll buy one for the shear joy of shooting it. Do you find this valuable? |
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Filadog |
15. RE: On Black Powder Firearms (sort of)
Aug 23 2010, 5:38 PM EDT
"I'm going to have to look into to these barrel, I hope the can be fitted with no. 11 percussion caps. Oh wait we have to have an open ignition system to be legal in Oregon for hunting. I'm still going to check them out though, maybe I'll buy one for the shear joy of shooting it."I don't think one could be made easly to function with percussion caps because you are still using the Shotgun firing pin to ignite it. A firing pin tip is small while a percusion cap needs a larger heavier hammer to set it off reliably , probably why it was chosen to use the shotgun primer to begin with Do you find this valuable? |
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EdOfTheDead2 |
16. RE: On Black Powder Firearms (sort of)
Aug 30 2010, 9:52 PM EDT
"I'm going to have to look into to these barrel, I hope the can be fitted with no. 11 percussion caps. Oh wait we have to have an open ignition system to be legal in Oregon for hunting. I'm still going to check them out though, maybe I'll buy one for the shear joy of shooting it."Not Mossbergs, but muzzle loaders. I didn't read the fine print. Do you find this valuable? |
chitoryu12 |
17. RE: On Black Powder Firearms (sort of)
Sep 10 2010, 5:11 PM EDT
In terms of ring caps (like the kind you would use in a cap revolver), I haven't personally had any problems with humidity. I live in Florida, where it's extremely humid almost every day (especially the summers), and I went through several hundred rings (and almost a dozen strips for my shotgun) with no failures to fire.
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