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steamlen	Training troops Aug 12 2010, 2:13 PM EDT How do you suppose after people start making very large settlments do you think they would train there militias or soldiers, and how how well trained would they be? Could the settlement that has better trained and better equiped troops be the dominant power in an area? Would it be better to learn how to replicate fire arms so that your troops have better orginization rather than letting them have whatever fire arm they find laying around? [dont say anything if you cant read it] Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: defense games living dead plan readiness survival Undead zombie zombies
2WheeledSpeed	1. RE: Training troops Aug 12 2010, 2:30 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 12 2010, 2:48 PM EDT It would help a lot if there were any former military or police personnel in the settlement, they'd know the value of training and organizing any official or semi-official militia/army. How well trained would they be? Really depends on who's training them, and how motivated they are. It would also help to have enough expendable ammo to train with (Not a super good idea to send guys into battle who have only fired their weapon once or twice). It's possible that airsoft and paintball could be used in a limited role to fill in for training (Before anyone trashes airsoft/paintball, cops and soldiers already use them for training). Even a half trained militia will have an advantage over a mob of guys with guns. Discipline and training matter, always have and always will. Having a clear chain of command is important, as is having the discipline to obey leaders under fire. As for replicating firearms, I assume you mean manufacturing your own standard weapon? It would require alot of technical knowledge and equipment to do that, an easier idea would be to either standardise caliber as much as possible (Try to issue your men with only rifles chambered in 5.56, or 7.62x39, whatever you have the most of). Or "requisition" the most commonly owned firearms in your settlement, ARs, AKs and the SKS are all very popular. With a big enough settlement I'd bet you'd have quite a few of those. That's just my 2 cents though. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
steamlen	2. RE: Training troops Aug 12 2010, 3:37 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 12 2010, 3:38 PM EDT "It would help a lot if there were any former military or police personnel in the settlement, they'd know the value of training and organizing any official or semi-official militia/army. How well trained would they be? Really depends on who's training them, and how motivated they are. It would also help to have enough expendable ammo to train with (Not a super good idea to send guys into battle who have only fired their weapon once or twice). It's possible that airsoft and paintball could be used in a limited role to fill in for training (Before anyone trashes airsoft/paintball, cops and soldiers already use them for training). Even a half trained militia will have an advantage over a mob of guys with guns. Discipline and training matter, always have and always will. Having a clear chain of command is important, as is having the discipline to obey leaders under fire. As for replicating firearms, I assume you mean manufacturing your own standard weapon? It would require alot of technical knowledge and equipment to do that, an easier idea would be to either standardise caliber as much as possible (Try to issue your men with only rifles chambered in 5.56, or 7.62x39, whatever you have the most of). Or "requisition" the most commonly owned firearms in your settlement, ARs, AKs and the SKS are all very popular. With a big enough settlement I'd bet you'd have quite a few of those. That's just my 2 cents though." Very good the romans helped prove that a well trained well disiplined force can take on even a gargantuanly large enemy of inexperienced and untrained mob of people thats why they made such a large empire. And im pretty sure that replicting firearms would be diffucult but not impossible like i dont think even an AK would be all that easy to make. but say a lever action or bolt action rifle may be possible to replicate if you have one and maybe improve it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MajorDamage	3. RE: Training troops Aug 12 2010, 10:48 PM EDT "How do you suppose after people start making very large settlments do you think they would train there militias or soldiers, and how how well trained would they be? Could the settlement that has better trained and better equiped troops be the dominant power in an area? Would it be better to learn how to replicate fire arms so that your troops have better orginization rather than letting them have whatever fire arm they find laying around? [dont say anything if you cant read it]" I have this entire train of thought in mind. Yes. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
rugudy	4. RE: Training troops Aug 14 2010, 10:07 AM EDT i already think i know how i would train my ''troops'' if i ever got any. First 2 mmy months will be disipline training learn how to march in line do multiple formations and will also do alot of working out 2 more months of teaching them close quarters fighting with a bayonet or a long knife and how to get in a building and stuff Finally for 4 months i will teach my troops how to use clean, fix, disasemble, and everything in between with the weapon i assighn them. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
timberrattler	5. RE: Training troops Aug 14 2010, 11:30 AM EDT "i already think i know how i would train my ''troops'' if i ever got any. First 2 mmy months will be disipline training learn how to march in line do multiple formations and will also do alot of working out 2 more months of teaching them close quarters fighting with a bayonet or a long knife and how to get in a building and stuff Finally for 4 months i will teach my troops how to use clean, fix, disasemble, and everything in between with the weapon i assighn them. " Lucky troops. Where would you find such loyal followers? Would they be drawn to your thoughtful logic and charasmatic personality? Post reply 4 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
mbartelsm	6. RE: Training troops Aug 14 2010, 12:21 PM EDT i think the best would be to have a few WELL trained soldiers that a lot of medium trained guys. I think soldiers would be the most likely survivors once society falls and im pretty sure they are going to be the leaders of most settlements, this means that a lot of settlements are going to have well trained troops Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	7. RE: Training troops Aug 14 2010, 1:25 PM EDT I have to register my concern over some users use of militaristic terms when they clearly don't apply. A military is an organisation that uses force to defend a country, and is attached to and sanctioned by the ruler(s) of that country. You are not, and will not be, the ruler of a country. So you will not have a military. Same with soldiers and troops. You might have a militia, a squad, possibly a police force (I'd argue that you need to have a fairly significant population before you can call whatever organised thugs you assemble the "police") although police is again a word with connotations. A police force upholds the laws of the county, state, etc. Which means you would need to have a written list of laws. Guards, watchmen, border-patrol, defenders, guardians, sentry, sentinel, warden. Plenty of choice alternatives. Pick one. Pick several. Why does this matter? Well when I hear things like "I will train my military forces.." it gives me the impression that given the chance to be part of a military junta in some banana republic, you would take it, because what you want is power. But if you said, "I would train the Sentinels to stay alert and watch the perimeter, and let the Watchmen deal with any internal problems such as thievery, fighting, etc..." then that gives the impression you have thought about internal and external security in a post-Z world. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
2WheeledSpeed	8. RE: Training troops Aug 14 2010, 2:12 PM EDT I think you're being too picky about terminology and being politically correct. Militia is probably the perfect term to describe most "military" forces existing to defend organized settlements in a post z-day scenario. And that's exactly what the original post was about. Most men won't have the time or luxury to be full time soldiers unless you have a very large and very developed settlement, so military service would be mostly a part time, as needed thing. But just because you rely on a part-time militia rather than a standing army for external defense does not mean you cannot train or equip them to be an effective fighting force. Switzerland is a perfect modern day example, and I've seen ancient Greece cited a few times on this forum. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MajorDamage	9. RE: Training troops Aug 14 2010, 2:30 PM EDT I can (right now, today) equip, train and deploy a full squad (11). Over time and with growth of numbers, those closest to me (and with my guns) will become my Praetorian Guard. Post reply 4 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
PedroAsani	10. RE: Training troops Aug 14 2010, 3:52 PM EDT 2Wheel, it's not picky, and I am definitely not politically correct. But I have seen an increase in "My military.." and "My troops.." threads, and the content and tone is worryingly shortsighted and megalomaniacal. If people think about the names a little more, they might think about their use and origin a little more. I fully endorse MD's Praetorian Guard. Especially if it implies that MD will be sharing power with a second, less militaralistic person. I can see that working quite well. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
mbartelsm	11. RE: Training troops Aug 14 2010, 4:00 PM EDT i think the term sentinel sounds and works pretty good. Well I could train a sentinel guard to use bows and crossbows, even javelins. I kind of like all that stuff Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
dragonvilla4	12. RE: Training troops Aug 15 2010, 6:17 AM EDT So what if you just make a Militia for external threats and a Town guard to maintain law and order in your settlment and finally border guards to defend the borders wouldnt that be good? Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
PedroAsani	13. RE: Training troops Aug 15 2010, 7:48 AM EDT That's the kind of model I would expect to see implemented in a township with a few hundred people, certainly. For smaller groups, everyone would be considered militia, border guards would be whoever is on lookout duty, and everyone is their own Town guard, because the group is tight knit. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
timberrattler	14. RE: Training troops Aug 15 2010, 8:58 AM EDT "2Wheel, it's not picky, and I am definitely not politically correct. But I have seen an increase in "My military.." and "My troops.." threads, and the content and tone is worryingly shortsighted and megalomaniacal. If people think about the names a little more, they might think about their use and origin a little more. I fully endorse MD's Praetorian Guard. Especially if it implies that MD will be sharing power with a second, less militaralistic person. I can see that working quite well." I'm less militaristic without a doubt. I would want someone who could watch the rest of the communities backs while we strive to set up things like running water, sewer systems and gardens. Yeah we can do all those things without a working crew of guards but concentrating on getting those things running again while looking over your shoulder every five seconds would not help you keep your mind on things. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
dragonvilla4	15. RE: Training troops Aug 15 2010, 9:23 AM EDT "I'm less militaristic without a doubt. I would want someone who could watch the rest of the communities backs while we strive to set up things like running water, sewer systems and gardens. Yeah we can do all those things without a working crew of guards but concentrating on getting those things running again while looking over your shoulder every five seconds would not help you keep your mind on things." Exactly my point who likes looking over the shoulders worring wether or not theyll get eaten or shot im one of those guys who would prefer to have atleast some protection. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SovietPrince	16. RE: Training troops Aug 15 2010, 4:37 PM EDT "2Wheel, it's not picky, and I am definitely not politically correct. But I have seen an increase in "My military.." and "My troops.." threads, and the content and tone is worryingly shortsighted and megalomaniacal. If people think about the names a little more, they might think about their use and origin a little more. I fully endorse MD's Praetorian Guard. Especially if it implies that MD will be sharing power with a second, less militaralistic person. I can see that working quite well." PedroAsani, in respect to you and all others here, let me point out a simple feat of humans: we tend to personalize our ideas. By that I mean, if I'm discussing how I'd build a fortress, or how I'd secure resources like running water, I'd call it "my plan to..." Its a general misconception that certain thread starters might think they'll have an army to command.. but I give them slack in light of what i stated a few sentences ago. With that said, lets refer to this as "how would a settlement train its troops?" now, for my 2 cents on the OP: Well, training troops post WROL/SHTF involves a bit of skill vs understanding. a settlement can have former LE members or former military operatives. Those people would probably head the 'training' of any force to protect the settlement. The skills would be trained as well as passed on. Say you DIDN'T have any combat trained persons in your settlement. Well, thats where understanding comes into play.. If you lack the knowledge of something, you seek out how to learn it. If anyone is curious in this or perhaps wants to learn so they can pass knowledge on, I'd reccomend a few tactics books and military training guides.. Theres a couple out there to my knowledge that could help.. (example 1: leader of town A trains they're troops based on a book he/she found.) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SovietPrince	17. RE: Training troops Aug 15 2010, 4:38 PM EDT I hope my example is understandable.. i can elaborate Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	18. RE: Training troops Aug 15 2010, 4:55 PM EDT "2Wheel, it's not picky, and I am definitely not politically correct. But I have seen an increase in "My military.." and "My troops.." threads, and the content and tone is worryingly shortsighted and megalomaniacal. If people think about the names a little more, they might think about their use and origin a little more. I fully endorse MD's Praetorian Guard. Especially if it implies that MD will be sharing power with a second, less militaralistic person. I can see that working quite well." But does the name matter Pedro? Really does it? There are a lot of things to think on and to be honest what you call your guards ain't on the list. Call it a military, a police force, or The Great Gooey Oompa Loompa Fighting Force of Friendship. It Does Not Matter. As to training it depends. If you have LEOs or Military those guys (or gals) would obviously be trainers. If however you don't have them you work with what you know. I'd suggest learning the terrain. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DevilNuts	19. RE: Training troops Aug 15 2010, 5:17 PM EDT "There are a lot of things to think on and to be honest what you call your guards ain't on the list. Call it a military, a police force, or The Great Gooey Oompa Loompa Fighting Force of Friendship. It Does Not Matter." This. It really does not matter what the connotations are at this time. I am of the opinion that giving your "Security Entity" an official sounding name that represents something well-known to the settlers as a force of lawful goodness will strengthen morale and might even motivate your armed forces to behave themselves (if you sell it). There are alot of considerations when training a body of troops for combat. Many of them are psychological. Oftentimes the people being trained aren't even aware of the reasons and effects of the methods. There is alot I have had to teach myself, and other things I have learned as an NCO about how to train my people properly. Many times you get the "how" to teach them, but not the "why." This is not quite so important when you have a large military organization that is compartmentalized and there are senior ranking officers available to know these things and take care of the "why," but if you don't it is important to know where your teaching methods are coming from. Otherwise, you are imitating, like a monkey and not getting the real desired effect of the training. Teaching your people bad habits that may get them killed or put them in a world of hurt psychologically when they have to fight for you. If you want to be able to train troops, you need to start reading books on the subject. Like, now. My 2¢ Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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