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SovietPrince |
Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Aug 13 2010, 12:35 PM EDT
Ladies, gentlemen, we're all familiar to some extent with the apocalypse, especially the viral pandemic direction, as this site is based on. Now, we can't say fairly that if you bug in and stay quiet that you'll survive. You have to make noise.. if you stub your toe you may yelp, and one slight noise (from our understanding of zombies) will attract them. My scenario/application of the coming idea is to be used for not necessarily a zombie pandemic, but a WROL situation (without rule of law)that will happen in a zedpoc. we can't escape that. Now, because of mass media, if we see that the big cities are being overrun by zombies, what will we think!?!?!? I know what some of the lessers in society will think. You will have both religious protesters screaming the end is nigh, you will have prison guards releasing prisoners because the guards are leaving for their families, you have gangs of various beliefs and such pillaging, you have looters, you have government roadblocks, you have pure anarchy. This will also happen in the event of economic collapse in a country. When a system fails, for whatever reason, all hell breaks loose. Now, whether you're a hardcore prepper, or just a kid wanting to be more, you can spread the mentality to band together in times of crisis. If you know your neighbors/neighborhood well, and when the time comes, ask for them to band together. Find anyone wih weapons, and they will be your opposition to the outside force. If supplies are available by all means fence in your area, but roadblocks are just as good. You will need a strong opposing force, regardless of whether zombies are around or not. Your fellow humans, on the outside, are even more dangerous. I'm talking about the gangs, the raiders, the corrupt and rogue military units having fun. 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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SovietPrince |
1. RE: Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Aug 13 2010, 12:35 PM EDT
You want a Broader view at bugging in? you protect your community. If you're overrun you're screwed anyway, even if you get to your roof and have food and water.. for how long? How long can you stay up there before sun poisoning occurs? these are things that i don't think are taken seriously. In a class 1/2 outbreak, you protect your town, protect your community, your streets.In WROL you try to keep society running. (And i hate to say this last part, but its honest truth) Unless you're prepared, have the man power, and have your own, self sustaining compound, you WILL NOT SURVIVE class 3/4 pandemics. If the world collapses, you'll be fighting every one and everything. If you can maintain your area, then why bug out? Look at the broader view my friends. Maybe after the zedpoc, if it gets worse.. by then you'll have built a compund around your neighborhood or your community. THINK REALISTICALLY 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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timberrattler |
2. RE: Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Aug 13 2010, 1:45 PM EDT
First off @SovietPrince. You have a strong survivalist mindset and have your mind wrapped around the reality of things. Expect a compliment from me soon. Your words were well thought out and inspiring and with my own strong sense of community and belief in bugging in I am pleased to see someone else with the same outlook. You're a good writer and have a way with words man. Its an easy choice for me to bug in because of my location. For people in town it would be harder but not impossible. Together we stand, divided we fall. Good thinking SP. Do you find this valuable? |
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SovietPrince |
3. RE: Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Aug 13 2010, 1:56 PM EDT
"First off @SovietPrince. You have a strong survivalist mindset and have your mind wrapped around the reality of things. Expect a compliment from me soon.Thank you Timber, and another thanks for a compliment. I just felt that, I needed to speak up about the realistic chances, and what a person or group can realistically do. I've read your survival plan quite a few times, plus I understand having an isolated BOL and suitable land is quite the advantage. I know a few gentlemen in Montana that have similar setups. Their discussions about WROL and proper mindsets is part of what inspired me to put this up, but more or less its what I BELIEVE as well. I think you have to try and stand your ground on your turf if it is at all feasible. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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4. RE: Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Aug 13 2010, 7:22 PM EDT
You're absolutly correct. You have more chance trying to hold down the city then bugging out. (Unless you're in a city full of morons O.O) Setting out on foot is pretty much find a place to stay and protect or wander around untill you go insane. Your choice. Nicely put Soviet. BTW, you into communisim or Czar (royal family)? Cause your name kinda doesn't work.
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SovietPrince |
5. RE: Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Aug 13 2010, 8:00 PM EDT
"You're absolutly correct. You have more chance trying to hold down the city then bugging out. (Unless you're in a city full of morons O.O) Setting out on foot is pretty much find a place to stay and protect or wander around untill you go insane. Your choice. Nicely put Soviet. BTW, you into communisim or Czar (royal family)? Cause your name kinda doesn't work."to understand my name, read the first sentence from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_(council) the "workers' local council" was a council for the workers controlled by the workers themselves. This in essence was the basis of original communism. The second part 'Prince' is referring to how I am the Prince or a Prince of the original idea of communism. This has also been referred to as Anarchist communism, in which a group works together equally. The sad thing is, this type of governing can only exist in a utopian state, effectively a 'perfect world' often I have joked that this was the type of government God wanted us to live by. Under him and so on and so forth.. wow ive never actually explained the origin of my nickname (and i do have real friends that call me by this over my legal name lol) Anyway, thats a short explanation of my idealogy and reasoning behind my name. I however don't support the past 20th century and present day dictatorial gov'ts littering our world 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Aug 13 2010, 10:26 PM EDT
I just learned to respect you ten percent more than I already did Soviet. This is top-shelf material that I love, and keeps me going.
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Freelancer47 |
7. RE: Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Aug 14 2010, 12:39 AM EDT
Very VERY well written SovietPrince.My plan, Operation Event Horizon (I really should write it up some day), is based on a multi-branch taskings of Actions & Reactions to all sorts of ill-s**t. Primarily, I'm bugging in. I know a lot of folks from work, my apt. building, & my local watering hole to form a decent party. If it isn't feasable... Bugging Out will be an option. Only a few of us own firearms... much less are fighters. Everyone else has a use of some kind, and if not they would be willing to learn. If not- GTFO. "Help or leave" will be the philosophy of the day. The children that survive will grow up in this new world & thrive... or I will die trying to protect them. -Freelancer47 ^Suffer the Children? Not on my watch...*Bang* ^ 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Carnack |
8. RE: Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Aug 14 2010, 2:24 AM EDT
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Might be worth it...in a few select cases.I wouldn't gamble on my neighbor's helping me to put a shotgun in my mouth and pull the trigger. Let alone anything that is actually useful. Nope in any crisis my town becomes Craterland and I'm gone. My ONLY regret will be the loss of the kittens and puppies. Do you find this valuable? |
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timberrattler |
9. RE: Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Aug 14 2010, 7:20 AM EDT
"Might be worth it...in a few select cases.They'll be sure to miss your happy go lucky, cheerful, optimistic personality. You do know you're a ray of web sunshine don't you? Do you find this valuable? |
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SovietPrince |
10. RE: Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Aug 14 2010, 10:54 AM EDT
"Might be worth it...in a few select cases.So Craterland is just down the road from Zombieland, right? lolz Do you find this valuable? |
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Carnack |
11. RE: Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Aug 14 2010, 2:14 PM EDT
"They'll be sure to miss your happy go lucky, cheerful, optimistic personality.Why thank you T-Rat ^_^ SP: Actually if it had to be a location it'd be Zombieland's Anus. What the crater part didn't tip you off?! Do you find this valuable? |
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SovietPrince |
12. RE: Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Aug 15 2010, 8:58 AM EDT
"Why thank you T-Rat ^_^oh ha-ha Do you find this valuable? |
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13. RE: Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Dec 1 2010, 9:16 AM EST
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"Might be worth it...in a few select cases.Agreed. Except, in my case, instead of puppies and kittehs, it's horses and kittehs. I think this is a great topic, and even worthy of a page. The only material to emphasize is that: Staying put has to be gauged all based on the location. As we were discussing in the IRC, I really wouldn't trust some of my neighbors. I'll example, and hope they never find this site: --Our one neighbor shot a deer in their back yard, then gutted it, and then..... Hung it, by the back legs. It hung from a tree in their front yard, a few yards from their front door, for months, until it started falling apart. Now, as we also discussed, one might take that as simply unethical, but I feel the problem here (and with several other households in the area) goes deeper. (Edit: The list of offenses goes on, such as shooting towards our barn and horses, shooting more deer for no purpose but to leave them, etc.) That being said, I'm not saying I'd just leave the entire neighborhood to their fate. It'd be likely that one would have connections with neighbors and locals, as we do with only two households. If the plan allows for it, why not take them along with you? I'd certainly try to convince our neighbors across the road to tag along. They own around 7 horses, and the grandmother is directly German, I believe, giving them all the country, survival mindset, with a usable skill set. There are a few setbacks there, but certainly not worth leaving good people behind. Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
14. RE: Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Dec 1 2010, 9:47 AM EST
Certainly a common problem in some areas is neighbors not really knowing a thing about each other, sometimes by situation, often by attitude. Something to work on even if you don't expect a zed poc.
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kinelta |
15. RE: Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Dec 1 2010, 10:04 AM EST
"Certainly a common problem in some areas is neighbors not really knowing a thing about each other, sometimes by situation, often by attitude. Something to work on even if you don't expect a zed poc."It starts with a friendly hello and a smile and a wave, for all of those misanthropists out there. Do you find this valuable? |
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16. RE: Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Dec 1 2010, 11:27 AM EST
"It starts with a friendly hello and a smile and a wave, for all of those misanthropists out there.Or a Snowmageddon. :) We had massive snowfall last year, and so me and my dad hooked up the quad's plow, grabbed some snow shovels, and drove looking for people to plow out. Some neighbors literally pretended we weren't there, to avoid us, but two others stuck in my mind. The first was an elderly man, with his wife, who was a war vet. Very nice guy, thanked up for our help, and was shoveling right along with us. Sadly, he has moved away since then, replaced by a rich family with some nasty little dogs. (The bastards attacked our chickens.) The other was another old man, who has up to his waist in snow. Same situation with him. We sat for a while and listened as he talked about his life story. It was actually a really good experience. Its truly a shame, because we had only met that other type of neighbor around before that. In that kind of sense, community disasters are a blessing. :) Do you find this valuable? |
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17. RE: Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Dec 1 2010, 12:03 PM EST
"Or a Snowmageddon. :)I wish my community was still like that. It has gone downhill in a short amount of time. It went from help your neighbor to hurt your neighbor. The upside is we might move either to or near our BOL. Do you find this valuable? |
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SteelRain |
18. RE: Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Dec 1 2010, 12:34 PM EST
A fallen fence makes you get to know a neighbor too, especially when they have happy doggies!
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DevilNuts |
19. RE: Bugging In: the BROADER VIEW
Dec 1 2010, 6:25 PM EST
"In WROL you try to keep society running. "+1 I think too many people focus on the initial hardships of this situation (the panic, the looting, the bug out/ bug in, etc) and fail to realize that life will go on (for those who make it). It won't be easy, and you'll have to earn everything you've got, but eventually you will have to start *living* again instead of just "surviving." Rule of Law is not something we need the federal government to come deliver to us in crates; we can do this for ourselves. Why Bug Out in search of something that is likely already in front of you? How many neighbors do you think are still on your street, frightened and anxiously peeking out from behind their living room curtains? It's worth finding out -- they know who you are; they're not going to blow you away for knocking on the door. Keeping a connection with our neighbors is the best chance any of us have to reclaim whatever little piece of society we can. You don't have to live the rest of your days like a caveman. People survive, but communities thrive. Do you find this valuable? |