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White76Knight |
Best Usage
Aug 15 2010, 1:49 PM EDT
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Okay, lets say you buy all this stuff, and the SHTF right after week 52. You've got a years food stockpiled so you should be good to go... except for one thing: How the heck do you use all this stuff?Okay, the canned food and the Mac & Cheese are obvious, but what do I do with 700lbs of wheat, 240 lbs sugar, 40 lbs of powdered milk, 13 lbs of salt, 10 lbs of honey, 5 lbs of peanut butter, 6 lbs of dried yeast and 6 lbs of shortening? I suppose the wheat is for making bread, but 700 lbs of it? That seems like a lot of bread, which, for me at least, doesn't fill the belly very well all by itself. Is there something else I'm supposed to be doing with all this wheat? What am I overlooking here? I'm not mocking the idea. In fact, quite the opposite. I think this is a great plan, and I'd like to get started on a stockpile of my own. But before I spend good money on raw foodstuffs that I wouldn't have the first clue how to use, I'd like to know how to get the best value out of these things once I have them. Do you find this valuable? |
nate121 |
1. RE: Best Usage
Aug 15 2010, 2:06 PM EDT
you could buy a food storage cook book which tells you how to cook a lot from scratchhttps://beprepared.com/category.asp?c=26&sb=0&bhcd2=1281894940 some cook book ideas, you can probably look these up on amazon/ebay for a lower price Do you find this valuable? |
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nate121 |
2. RE: Best Usage
Aug 18 2010, 3:39 PM EDT
i found a WWII cook book online that is similar to the one for salehttp://www.gutenberg.org/files/15464/15464-h/15464-h.htm 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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White76Knight |
3. RE: Best Usage
Aug 18 2010, 6:42 PM EDT
"i found a WWII cook book online that is similar to the one for saleThat link is fantastic. Thank you. Do you find this valuable? |
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oco54 |
4. RE: Best Usage
May 27 2011, 12:50 PM EDT
If your hungry you will eat all that bread. This is to survive, not to be happy
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DLOWTHEMAD |
5. RE: Best Usage
May 27 2011, 12:58 PM EDT
"If your hungry you will eat all that bread. This is to survive, not to be happy"Ummm his concern was that He was unsure how to make bread with just raw wheat grain And this is a very old conversation, don't drag it up again, unless you have something genuine to add to it. Not just to ridicule the OP, who had a good question by the way.... Do you know how to make bread from scratch? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
timberrattler |
6. RE: Best Usage
May 27 2011, 1:24 PM EDT
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http://www.pleasanthillgrain.com/index.aspx#NutrimillCheck out the hand-powered models of grain mills. For that matter check out the entire Pleasant Hill site. Its full of awesome products and food stuff like canned butter and canned cheese. Seriously I haven't found a better site. It blows a lot of the survival prep sites out of the water without really trying to IMO. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
7. RE: Best Usage
May 27 2011, 4:34 PM EDT
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"Ummm his concern was that He was unsure how to make bread with just raw wheat grainLOL - I appreciate your coming to my defense, DLOW, but in this case oco54 actually had the right of it. My primary concern was eating just the bread, which as I said in the original post, doesn't fill the belly very well. Now oco54 is right in that if one was hungry enough, I'm sure one would be happy to have the bread, but even so, I doubt that the authors of the original article intended that 700 lbs of wheat was to be used just for making bread, which was why I asked my question in the first place. The link that nate121 provided answered the question handily. Do you find this valuable? |
FrankLeeDeRainged |
8. RE: Best Usage
May 27 2011, 4:38 PM EDT
Wheat for bread, and biscuits, cake, pastry, pancakes, dumplings, sweetbreads, pasta and thickening. . . .But no-one else think that's a hell of a lot of sugar! _ Do you find this valuable? |
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timberrattler |
9. RE: Best Usage
May 27 2011, 4:45 PM EDT
"He needs to add toothpaste to the list. LOL. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
10. RE: Best Usage
May 27 2011, 5:55 PM EDT
"He needs to add toothpaste to the list. LOL."Nah, you're supposed to have that in your BoB anyway. LOL Do you find this valuable? |
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oco54 |
11. RE: Best Usage
May 28 2011, 3:40 PM EDT
"LOL - I appreciate your coming to my defense, DLOW, but in this case oco54 actually had the right of it. My primary concern was eating just the bread, which as I said in the original post, doesn't fill the belly very well.Fair enough , sorry if i offended you or anything Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
12. RE: Best Usage
May 28 2011, 5:27 PM EDT
"Fair enough , sorry if i offended you or anything"Nothing to be sorry about, like I said, you actually had the right of it. Do you find this valuable? |
Redrighthand |
13. RE: Best Usage
May 28 2011, 5:41 PM EDT
A very good source to look at is Bill Mollison's "Ferment and Human Nutrition". (Tagari, 1993). It's designed to help farmers and gardeners be more self sufficient by adding value to their crops through preserving & fermenting etc. It covers everything from storage to manufacturing cheeses and breads and whatnot to nutrition loss due to cooking. Superb book, and Mollison is always easy to read.
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White76Knight |
14. RE: Best Usage
May 28 2011, 5:48 PM EDT
"A very good source to look at is Bill Mollison's "Ferment and Human Nutrition". (Tagari, 1993). It's designed to help farmers and gardeners be more self sufficient by adding value to their crops through preserving & fermenting etc. It covers everything from storage to manufacturing cheeses and breads and whatnot to nutrition loss due to cooking. Superb book, and Mollison is always easy to read."YIKES! According to Amazon, that's a $300 book. Looks like a great resource though, just the same. BTW, for those interested, according to the commentary on Amazon this book is going to be reprinted sometime in May or June of 2011, with an expected retail price somewhere in the $50 range. Now THAT I'd be more likely to go looking for. Do you find this valuable? |
Oakspar77777 |
15. RE: Best Usage
May 29 2011, 11:44 AM EDT
Wheat + Mill = Flour. From what you have, you could make biscuits, rolls, and breads with the yeast. I'm a flatbread man, myself, so I don't worry about the yeast (I just buy self-rising flour for my biscuits and dumplings). 1c flour (per serving) 3/4 tsp baking powder (NOT BAKING SODA) 1/2 tsp salt 2-3oz of any fat (oil, shortening, butter, etc) 1/2 cup hot water 2tsp sugar Mix dry ingredients, add fat and hot water, mix until it forms a firm ball (adding flour as needed). Knead for 5+ minutes, adding flour to keep from sticking. Cover ball for 15+ minutes to set. Can be cooked as hard-tack biscuits (bake at 350), rolled into pizza crust or tortillas (cooked dry on a hot pan), or even eaten raw if necessary. Oh, the sugar is there to make everything taste better (flat, stored water), because it has a lifespan of forever if kept dry and air tight, and because it is one of the most efficient ways to store calories. I would increase the level of fats - a few gallon jugs of cooking oil will do, or some more shorting and more peanut butter - nothing is better on a flatbread than some peanut butter and canned meat (trust me). Oh, and if you have eggs (any kind from any animal), at a ratio of one large chicken egg to 2/3cup flour (and 1/2tsp salt) you have pasta. Just mix until in a ball, cover for 30 min, then roll flat and cut into strips. They cook a little better if you hang the strips for an hour or so to semi-dry. It really is that easy. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
16. RE: Best Usage
May 29 2011, 11:58 AM EDT
"Wheat + Mill = Flour.Excellent info as always, Oakspar. One question, though. You mentioned the addition of a few gallons of cooking oil, but I read somewhere that cooking oil has a shorter shelf life than most of these other foods. Do you know anything about this? Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
17. RE: Best Usage
May 29 2011, 1:03 PM EDT
And while I'm at it, a couple of other questions.Where would one even go to get 100 lbs of wheat? And how much would 100 lbs of wheat actually cost? In Week Seven we're supposed to buy 100 lbs of wheat with $5.00 plus whatever change we've saved over the previous six weeks. Is this even feasible? Do you find this valuable? |
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ChuckHoskins |
18. RE: Best Usage
Feb 21 2012, 3:49 PM EST
I agree. I wouldn't have a clue what to do with 700 lbs of wheat. But the overall plan is good. I kind of follow the same idea and just use that money to buy additional dry goods (macaroni, spaghetti, etc) or canned goods. I also don't see much need in having 13 pounds of salt. Survive the apocalypse, and die of a heart attack 6 months later. Just use it to buy top ramen,,,plenty of salt in there,,hahaha.Do you find this valuable? |
shadowmancer |
19. RE: Best Usage
Feb 21 2012, 4:26 PM EST
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" How the heck do you use all this stuff?"Make wheat ale of course!!!. Seriously though wheat even 700 lbs of it would be useful you could use it as bait for hunting birds or other herbivore animals. It is good for bread, pasta and stew or soup making as well as to make puffed wheat for breakfast or a hot cerial like red river there is lots of things you could do with lots of wheat If you do make wheat beer the leftover solids make excellent fertlizers. If you buy Hard Red Wheat its nutritional value is higher then Soft Wheat. Okay enough about wheat. What to do with 40 lbs of powdered milk simply drink it, having a glass of chalky milk every day, and baking. I put a little milk in my mac and cheese. Oh you could also make Cheese with vegitable rennet sourced from stinging nettle plants. Off the top of my head the use for 10 lbs of honey could be in starting behives. It will attract bee's hopefully a queen when preparted in a wooden hive frame. Bees are needed for most agriculture. You'll get lots of chances with that much honey and honey doesn't go bad. You could also make mead with the honey and if you have some bitter fruit juice a makeshift cough syrope. Salt before modern hydraulic mining was sadisitcally hard to get in some areas so its just good to keep on hand for food preperation and preservation. Yeast is better to have on hand culturing it from the area is difficult and if you don't want to keep started bits of bread then you need yeast. This yeast could be used to make wheat beer or even meade out of the honey. The shortening is oddly the most useful. Since it is a vegitable oil can be rendered into soap or fuel and as a lubricant in a pinch on top of its cooking functions. Peanutbutter is just tasty and lasts awhile so it is good to have on hand, possible to extract the oil depending on the brand to make soap fuel or light. Peanut butter also makes an excellent bait for figure 4 deadfalls or other forms of trapping and hunting. Do you find this valuable? |
