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MachineGunGuy	WW1/WW2 Bolt Guns under $100 & $500 and under miltary semi-autos Aug 27 2010, 9:56 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 30 2010, 3:14 PM EDT In regard to my previous posts and the posts on the high priced black guns and old bolt guns in the thread titled " I can do better No offense" I stand by my comment that the situation dictates the choice. If you only have $500 to spend on 45 days worth of long term storage food, rifle, handgun, ammo, medical kit, comm gear, etc. then a $90 Nagant rifle, Hi-Point 9mm or Armenius .38 revolver maybe is all you can do - much better than a baseball bat and a knife. If you were in a situation where you had a SIG 556, etc. and you knew that your four neighbors only had golf clubs in the garage because their wives would not let them own a gun (this male medical condition is called testicular atrophy) you could put away 4 non-collector Nagants and some ammo for them for only $500. Sure they could get overrun by hordes of zombies but I would love to have them shooting instead of looking like Tiger Woods! And if you bug out, you didn't have to leave any of your expensive guns for their sorry asses. Also, if you were in an open farmland area way out in the country where you could see for miles, zombies would be coming in few and far between from the cities, a half dozen guys with Nagants would do great, and as long as you where awake, you would do fine with this rifle too even by yourself (not my first chioce, and not in my top 20, but it is better than nothing). Now for the other issue. AK type rifles can be purchased for as little as $375 wholesale and all day long at gun shows for $500. I own six (out of over 60 guns mostly black guns) AKs & had one since 1986 along with full auto AKs. They are accurate out to 300 yards the most reliable weapon I have fired (the Ultimax 100 MK3 is also tied for 1st). There's nothing wrong with a $500 AK. I have an STG-556, AR-15s, FAL, AR-180, C93, etc. and I would not feel shortchanged having an AK to combat zombies within 300 yards. Best deal is the 5.45x39 AK with the $100 case/1000 rds. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
Duton1	1. RE: WW1/WW2 Bolt Guns ubder $100 & $500 and under miltary semi-autos Aug 27 2010, 10:06 PM EDT WALL OF TEXT HURT TEENY BRAIN Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
MachineGunGuy	2. RE: WW1/WW2 Bolt Guns ubder $100 & $500 and under miltary semi-autos Aug 28 2010, 12:45 AM EDT "WALL OF TEXT HURT TEENY BRAIN" That was a useless post. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
mbartelsm	3. RE: WW1/WW2 Bolt Guns ubder $100 & $500 and under miltary semi-autos Aug 28 2010, 1:08 AM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 28 2010, 1:09 AM EDT "That was a useless post." actually, it was useful. but, WOW you have a lot of guns, and you expect to take them all to your BOL? don't be greedy, give me one or better, take me with you Post reply Do you find this valuable?
toxic_shock	4. RE: WW1/WW2 Bolt Guns ubder $100 & $500 and under miltary semi-autos Aug 28 2010, 1:13 AM EDT The Wal o Text is there, but you have a vaild point. I was just at a gun show looking over FALs and C93s. What is your opinion on these? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
jdi35	5. RE: WW1/WW2 Bolt Guns ubder $100 & $500 and under miltary semi-autos Aug 28 2010, 1:53 AM EDT why do you have 7 AR's when you can just get the uppers and drop them on a spare lower? i hope that they are mostly different calibers too, 7 .223's are a little monotonous. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
cyrano222	6. RE: WW1/WW2 Bolt Guns ubder $100 & $500 and under miltary semi-autos Aug 28 2010, 5:29 AM EDT The main reason is accuracy. I have an AR I built for range accuracy, I purposly tightly fit the upper and lower together so there is no play and very little vibration. They make rubber buffers that are ok, but if you truly want an accurate beast dedicate the upper and lower and fit them perfectly. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Filadog	7. RE: WW1/WW2 Bolt Guns ubder $100 & $500 and under miltary semi-autos Aug 28 2010, 7:05 AM EDT "why do you have 7 AR's ..." Because you are a gun collector and like owning different guns...nothing wrong with that Realisticaly there are few reasons that you "Need" more then a couple guns just like there are few real reasons you will "need" expensive high end assault rifles. Of course it isn't that hard to come up with a reason to justifying owning something because you want it ..." I need that custom AR with an 18 inch barrel because a 20 is to long for CQ work and I need more velocity then a 16" ,,, This is advise coming from somebody that owns a good many times more guns then 60 too by the way! ..All you really need is a handgun,a ,22 rifle a shotgun and maybe something like a basic AR or AK, actually probably in most situations the job could be get done with a cheap .22 or shotgun./ bolt rifle.....You can fantasize about getting into Iraq like gun battles with gangs of well armed raiders so that you will need that latest piston AR but I think the chances of that will probably be remote I have trouble with buying guns to hand out to people that don't have them. Just handing a rifle to your neighbor that has never shot a gun is not going to make him effectove at anything. ...Personaly I don't want to be around an excited person that has no gun experance and is now armed with a high powered weapon that he is trying to remember how the safety works as he is waving it around Post reply Do you find this valuable?
2WheeledSpeed	8. RE: WW1/WW2 Bolt Guns ubder $100 & $500 and under miltary semi-autos Aug 28 2010, 11:08 AM EDT I don't know if I want to be arming my neighbors, I certainly have a few extra guns to do so... But those are my guns, and my ammo, both of which I don't have a huge amount of. I have reservations about handing them to someone I don't know very well. Who says you can even trust them? One moment they're shooting zombies with you, the next they're going "hey, I kinda want all your guns now". Arming people I'm with is certainly an option, but one you've got to be careful about. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MachineGunGuy	9. RE: WW1/WW2 Bolt Guns ubder $100 & $500 and under miltary semi-autos Aug 28 2010, 12:19 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 30 2010, 3:10 PM EDT "why do you have 7 AR's when you can just get the uppers and drop them on a spare lower? i hope that they are mostly different calibers too, 7 .223's are a little monotonous." Collecting. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MachineGunGuy	10. FAL or C-93 Aug 28 2010, 12:52 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 30 2010, 3:13 PM EDT "The Wal o Text is there, but you have a vaild point. I was just at a gun show looking over FALs and C93s. What is your opinion on these?" Regarding the wall of text, I guess you are right - I'm still getting used to this blogging stuff. The Century C-93 I have works as well as any HK product I had including the MP-5, CETME, HK91, etc and I have seen them for sale for under $500 - a great deal. In the early 1980s, the HK was the "modular" modern military styled gun to have and every survivalist wanted one under the Christmas tree along with the many accessories. BUT with the advent of the Picatinney rail system, many improvements, and caliber changing options, piston option, accessories, parts availability, the AR-15 platform is now king. There are great 5.56 rifles like the SIG 556 and others but they just don't have the options like AR-15s IF that is what you are looking for. However, a C-93 will perfom very well for you if you choose that one. The FAL is a great rifle and I like mine. Century which makes the C93 is now offering another FAL in the G1 version. DS Arms makes the best FAL but you will pay double for them. Some FALs had problems due to poor manufacturing using surplus parts and bad US recievers but no one that I know is now making a bad copy. If you buy used be sure that you get the metric version and not the inch pattern as you will have problems finding magazines. Also if you are deciding between the FAL or C-93, look at where you live or will bug out to. City or heavily wooded area with hills = C93. Kansas or desert=FAL. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
MachineGunGuy	11. Handing out guns Aug 28 2010, 1:01 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 28 2010, 1:11 PM EDT A couple of you have reservations about handing out guns - I do too. There are a lot of downsides to it such as: 1) the user ending up shooting, himself or you by accident, 2) your neighbor now turns the gun on you to get your survival stuff. It all would depend on the situation. If hordes of zombies were coming over a hill 400 yards away, I would do my best to give some fast instruction. Also, don't assume that just becasue someone does not own a gun, they don't know how to use one. I have came across many people that do not own any guns and here are some of their backgrounds: 1) former military rifleman (many in combat WW2, Korea, Vietnam) 2) former competive small bore champion shooter (yep, does not own a gun) 3) former cop (many cops only look at their gun the same as they do their police hat, get rid of the badge and go into a different line of work and the gun goes with it) 4) former hunter (many here: lost job and sold guns or no more time to hunt so they sold their gun) 5) a BB/pellet gun shooter (a kid that can hit a ladybug with his Crossman at 25 feet can shoot a rifle pretty well) All of the above would do fine with a Nagant and brief instruction. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MachineGunGuy	12. RE: WW1/WW2 Bolt Guns ubder $100 & $500 and under miltary semi-autos Aug 28 2010, 1:07 PM EDT "actually, it was useful. but, WOW you have a lot of guns, and you expect to take them all to your BOL? don't be greedy, give me one or better, take me with you" Maybe we can work something out when the zombies show up! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
toxic_shock	13. RE: FAL or C-93 Aug 29 2010, 9:11 AM EDT " Regarding the C93, I have owned HK 93s, MP-5s (had over 60 MKE Turkish at one time along with dozens of German), G3s, original CETME full auto, and I was a distributor for Special Weapons (US manufacturer of HK copies) about 10 years ago. Having said all of that, the Century C-93 I have works as well as any HK product I had and I have seen them for sale for under $500 - a great deal. In the early 1980s, the HK was the "modular" modern military styled gun to have and every survivalist wanted one under the Christmas tree along with the many accessories. BUT with the advent of the Picatinney rail system, many improvements, and caliber changing options, piston option, accessories, parts availability, the AR-15 platform is now king. There are great 5.56 rifles like the SIG 556 and others but they just don't have the options like AR-15s IF that is what you are looking for. However, a C-93 will perfom very well for you if you choose that one." Thanks for your input MGG! I spotted a couple C-93s, but they were a little high. One thing that drew me to them is it seems that mags and other accessories for these cost next to nothing. I have been thinking about picking up a Mosin for a while too. Can't beat a bolt action rifle for $100. However, one thing that concerns me is scope placement. And I say if you are good friends with your neighbors, arm em! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MachineGunGuy	14. RE: FAL or C-93 Aug 29 2010, 3:10 PM EDT "Thanks for your input MGG! I spotted a couple C-93s, but they were a little high. One thing that drew me to them is it seems that mags and other accessories for these cost next to nothing. I have been thinking about picking up a Mosin for a while too. Can't beat a bolt action rifle for $100. However, one thing that concerns me is scope placement. And I say if you are good friends with your neighbors, arm em!" No problem. Go to http://www.sturmgewehr.com/ and look around on the Semi-Auto index. Be sure that if you post anything here be sure to read the posting rules. I saw a C-93 for $499 on there last week. This website has been the "secret" place for machine-gun collectors/dealers, black gun guys, etc. for about 13 years - millions of dollars worth of guns are sold there every month. The magazines for the C-93/HK33/93 do cost a bit. The old 25rd magazines are around $40-70, same with the 30rd and 40rd. You can get a copy of the HK scope mount with a P-rail for about $70. You can also find a Mosin Nagant on the Collector's board on the same website. The scope mount kits for these are nice although you have to do a little gunsmithing but nothing you can't do at home with some hand power tools. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
agentaaa	15. RE: WW1/WW2 Bolt Guns ubder $100 & $500 and under miltary semi-autos Aug 29 2010, 3:30 PM EDT "WALL OF TEXT HURT TEENY BRAIN" If he has a wall of text, just means he ahs a lot to say. It wouldnt hurt to break it up into paragraphs though Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MachineGunGuy	16. RE: WW1/WW2 Bolt Guns ubder $100 & $500 and under miltary semi-autos Aug 29 2010, 4:22 PM EDT "If he has a wall of text, just means he ahs a lot to say. It wouldnt hurt to break it up into paragraphs though" Will do, next time. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
toxic_shock	17. RE: WW1/WW2 Bolt Guns ubder $100 & $500 and under miltary semi-autos Aug 29 2010, 6:25 PM EDT Before I buy a firearm, I try to research the **** out of it. I found 20 round mags on cheaper than dirt for less than $1. And the reviewers say they work in G3s, HK 91s, and CETMEs with some fitting. Granted, they are used surplus mags, but having 40 loaded mags when the SHTF appeals to me, even if some are beat up. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MachineGunGuy	18. RE: WW1/WW2 Bolt Guns ubder $100 & $500 and under miltary semi-autos Aug 29 2010, 8:33 PM EDT "Before I buy a firearm, I try to research the **** out of it. I found 20 round mags on cheaper than dirt for less than $1. And the reviewers say they work in G3s, HK 91s, and CETMEs with some fitting. Granted, they are used surplus mags, but having 40 loaded mags when the SHTF appeals to me, even if some are beat up." Those are fine if you want a G3 type rifle, Are you not interested in the FAL or C93? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
toxic_shock	19. RE: WW1/WW2 Bolt Guns ubder $100 & $500 and under miltary semi-autos Aug 29 2010, 9:00 PM EDT The C93 is .223, right? Is that the difference between the Century CETME Sporter and the C93? I believe this is what I am after: http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct856.aspx. And these mags: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MAG304-36.html ought to fit it. $500 for the gun and $1 per mag is a tempting deal. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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