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White76Knight
White76Knight
80. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Oct 25 2010, 8:53 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2010, 8:54 AM EDT
"I don't see any chance of survival, if animals become infected by the zombie virus. There's no way one could protect against all of the animals. Also what would you do for food, without hunting or livestock?"
I agree. I mean, there are certain types of animals that we can't manage to keep out of our homes even now (rats, mice, chipmunks, etc) when all they want is a warm place to sleep and to raid the kitchen from time to time. I can't imagine trying to keep them out after they've all been turned into hordes of carnivorous monsters who are DETERMINED to get in because they are hungry for your flesh. The very thought of a swarm of infected small fast animals gives me chills.

Food would have to rely entirely on that which was stockpiled in advance, scavenging and farming (and maybe raiding if your into that kind of thing.)
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DonovanRichter
DonovanRichter
81. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Oct 25 2010, 8:57 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2010, 8:57 AM EDT
Hmmm,. zanimals... *Gets the image of a glass of milk out of his head*

I could see farming being largely out of the picture. You really couldn't go outside and especially not going into a field of corn or anything that came up past your ankles much =*_*= The chipmunks and voles might get you.....

Then again... armor could protect from the little critters quite easily... Hmmm...
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Gnaeus
Gnaeus
82. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Oct 25 2010, 9:19 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2010, 9:19 AM EDT
Hey. Obviously i am new to this site however, i have read and considered many scenarios so im not a total noob.

my comment was basically this:

in regards to certain zanimals, i very very much doubt that animals that are naturally herbivores will attack humans. now yes i is possible but not probable. logically, a cow which eats grass, does not have the teeth capable of eating or bitting for that matter will not be all up in your face trying to eat you. They are herbivores and thus INSTINCT will tell them to eat grass. same with chipmunks(which everyone seems to mention alot) and other small rodents.

Just my thoughts on this zanimal thing. also dogs/wolves, bears and stuff, much more likely then zmunks(zombie chipmunks). Also for those that have read the zombie survival guide, you should remember that even carnivores like wolves and bears and alligators will stay away from zombies out of instinct and will not eat them.

one more comment. It seems unlikely that even if an animal were to eat a zombie, they would become infected. It is rare for a virus to transfer from human to canine/reptile. Often these animals will eat corpse(human and animal) that have been infected with various deadly diseases and not catch them.
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DonovanRichter
DonovanRichter
83. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Oct 25 2010, 9:28 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2010, 9:28 AM EDT
Mhehehehe, welcome to the site Gnaeus! =^_^= Yeah, I agree really.

Most microorganisms are so species specific it isn't even funny, and there are good reasons for why that is. If you know a little about the science behind the things its pretty clear why cats have their own version of AIDS that doesn't cross over into humans. =^_^= But most people go with the T-virus possibility, that jumps... even into plants! =O_O=

Also, most people don't stick to Max Brooks' ZSG. Its generally agreed upon that since there aren't really any zombies right now that their properties and characteristics might be anything. =^_^= Of course, Brooks had to specify the type of zombies from the outlook of his book or else it would't have been very coherent, so no strike against him as a writer. =^_~=

As for your mention of chipmunks not likely going carnivore all of the sudden..... Wow, I had never considered that! =^____^= Cool, now I'm not going to wake up to find a little squirrel hovering over my face ready to attack me... though foxes are a different story. =^_~=

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7808513/Fox-attack-left-babies-covered-in-blood-says-mother.html
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White76Knight
White76Knight
84. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Oct 27 2010, 9:28 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 27 2010, 9:28 AM EDT
"I very very much doubt that animals that are naturally herbivores will attack humans. now yes i is possible but not probable. logically, a cow which eats grass, does not have the teeth capable of eating or bitting for that matter will not be all up in your face trying to eat you. They are herbivores and thus INSTINCT will tell them to eat grass. same with chipmunks(which everyone seems to mention alot) and other small rodents."
Now I agree that a crossover isn't likely, but if it DID happen, I wouldn't be too sure of this. I don't think instinct would play any part in the matter. See that's the thing about Zeds or Zanimals: the engine is running but there's nobody at the wheel. The human or animal that they used to be is gone, dead, and the virus (or whatever) is in control. The virus has the instinct to attack, even if the host body doesn't.

In any case, even most herbivores have enough teeth and jaw strength that they can bite hard enough to break the skin. They mightn't be able to eat you after the fact, but that's irrelevant, because you'd still be just as infected.

In fact, that would kinda be even worse. At least when a human Zed gets a hold of you, there's a chance that you will be eaten before you can be reanimated. But if you get infected by an animal that can't eat you, you're essentially doomed to return as one of the walking dead.

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trophykiller
trophykiller
85. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Oct 29 2010, 3:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 29 2010, 3:10 PM EDT
"In fact, that would kinda be even worse. At least when a human Zed gets a hold of you, there's a chance that you will be eaten before you can be reanimated. But if you get infected by an animal that can't eat you, you're essentially doomed to return as one of the walking dead. "
but what if the virus is smart enough to know not to kill the victim, but rather just infect them. i honestly think that that is how it's going to be(I think the virus will be smart like that.)
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HellsDevil
86. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Nov 2 2010, 7:31 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 2 2010, 7:31 PM EDT
There is no such thing as "zanimals". The virus only directs hosts that actually have a semblance of intelligence. Humans are the only mammals with a brain large enough for the virus to control. Flies and stuff don't have the right attributes and brain size to become susceptible to the virus.
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qazlp10
qazlp10
87. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Nov 2 2010, 8:06 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 2 2010, 8:06 PM EDT
I can't stop laughing at this. In theory its incrediably funny, as if facing down a pissed off bear wasn't bad enough, now he's undead?! However, in reality it would be incrediably pathetic. The only thing that gives animals the edge they have now is their speed and power, without that they have nothing. Can you really imagine yourself being scared of a bear crawling its way toward you moaning, "RRRRAINSSS!!!!" I would have plenty of time to line up the shot and blow its head off.

When sea animals were mentioned it seems everyone was thinking flipper and jaws. I was thinking an undead Moby Dick, THAT would be every sailor's nightmare. But in reality they probably wouldn't even be able to swim, and how would an undead animal be any worse than a living predator?

Any round bigger than a .22 would blow apart anything smaller than a rabbit and those slow moving small targets would be good practise for training the kids on.
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trophykiller
trophykiller
88. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Nov 2 2010, 8:58 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 2 2010, 8:58 PM EDT
"I can't stop laughing at this. In theory its incrediably funny, as if facing down a pissed off bear wasn't bad enough, now he's undead?! However, in reality it would be incrediably pathetic. The only thing that gives animals the edge they have now is their speed and power, without that they have nothing. Can you really imagine yourself being scared of a bear crawling its way toward you moaning, "RRRRAINSSS!!!!" I would have plenty of time to line up the shot and blow its head off.

When sea animals were mentioned it seems everyone was thinking flipper and jaws. I was thinking an undead Moby Dick, THAT would be every sailor's nightmare. But in reality they probably wouldn't even be able to swim, and how would an undead animal be any worse than a living predator?

Any round bigger than a .22 would blow apart anything smaller than a rabbit and those slow moving small targets would be good practise for training the kids on."
UNDEAD Z'S ARE F*CKING IMPOSSIBLE, FOR THE LAST TIME!

If you want to know my version, here:

http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/thread/4319006/what+is+your+version+of+z-day%3F

the theory of the undead is ridiculous and retarded. they would barely get to class one outbreak.
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qazlp10
qazlp10
89. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Nov 2 2010, 9:27 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 2 2010, 9:27 PM EDT
"UNDEAD Z'S ARE F*CKING IMPOSSIBLE, FOR THE LAST TIME!

If you want to know my version, here:

http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/thread/4319006/what+is+your+version+of+z-day%3F

the theory of the undead is ridiculous and retarded. they would barely get to class one outbreak."
OHHH! You mean RABIES. Yeah, I'm pretty sure we already have that problem. I'd probably treat the RABID (not zombie) animal the same way I would now. Shoot it.
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trophykiller
trophykiller
90. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Nov 3 2010, 4:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 3 2010, 4:02 PM EDT
"OHHH! You mean RABIES. Yeah, I'm pretty sure we already have that problem. I'd probably treat the RABID (not zombie) animal the same way I would now. Shoot it."
Except one thing: rabies only makes dogs go crazy. Plus, rabies is an entirely different creature than my idea.
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qazlp10
qazlp10
91. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Nov 3 2010, 6:32 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 3 2010, 6:32 PM EDT
"Except one thing: rabies only makes dogs go crazy. Plus, rabies is an entirely different creature than my idea."
Oh, I wasn't trying to insult. But the idea of a zombie bear crawling toward me being scarier than a regular bear charging me made me squirt my drink out. Then when I read your post for your zombie(although threatening in human form as they learn) it would just be standard rabbies effect in anything else(agressive, insane, ignores injuries). In fact except for the speed, survivablity, and aggressiveness of infection, rabies does what you decribe to humans as well before killing them.

Rabbies can effect almost any mammal not just dogs. Common carriers in my area are racoons, possums, squirels, rats, cats, and dogs.

Again that's just what popped into my head at the moment I read it. How could a "rabbid"/insane bear be scarier than a regular bear. I've done shat my pants either way. And an infected rat or something small would be no more threatening than a rabid one either(even the possiblity of infection).

Here's a link on rabies, its basically the RAGE virus from 28 days later. As rabies is a zoonosis(it transfers from animal to animal and animal to man commonly by bite). Though if rabies is an good example, then no zombie virus would be very successful in infecting the world. This point being, I don't think any zoonosis plague would be likely, no matter if it raised the dead or not.

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/travel/diseases/rabies.htm
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trophykiller
trophykiller
92. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Nov 3 2010, 7:06 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 3 2010, 7:06 PM EDT
"Oh, I wasn't trying to insult. But the idea of a zombie bear crawling toward me being scarier than a regular bear charging me made me squirt my drink out. Then when I read your post for your zombie(although threatening in human form as they learn) it would just be standard rabbies effect in anything else(agressive, insane, ignores injuries). In fact except for the speed, survivablity, and aggressiveness of infection, rabies does what you decribe to humans as well before killing them.

Rabbies can effect almost any mammal not just dogs. Common carriers in my area are racoons, possums, squirels, rats, cats, and dogs.

Again that's just what popped into my head at the moment I read it. How could a "rabbid"/insane bear be scarier than a regular bear. I've done shat my pants either way. And an infected rat or something small would be no more threatening than a rabid one either(even the possiblity of infection).

Here's a link on rabies, its basically the RAGE virus from 28 days later. As rabies is a zoonosis(it transfers from animal to animal and animal to man commonly by bite). Though if rabies is an good example, then no zombie virus would be very successful in infecting the world. This point being, I don't think any zoonosis plague would be likely, no matter if it raised the dead or not."
Agreed, but you will admit that the shadow memories make them way worse than usual.
honestly, a shambler outbreak would just be a cheap excuse not to work and instead go on a(semi-homicidal) rampage. This is my idea as to what the military would do.

1.get black hawks ready for combat

2.go into affected area

3. get those guns a' blazin whist screaming "get some!" at the top of their lungs.

4. evacuate citizens

5. go to bar and pick up chicks saying "I just survived the zombie apocalypse"
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qazlp10
qazlp10
93. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Nov 3 2010, 7:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 3 2010, 7:45 PM EDT
Honestly if it was just a fast-acting rabies that didn't kill you it would be even more threatening. A rabies victim goes insane as he dies but is no dumber than he was before. He can still drive a car or use a gun, he still knows where he lives and that his wife burning the meatloaf last week is punishable by death.

When strapped down they resort to biting, but other than that they may attack you in anyway. The fever causes intense pain, the destruction of the brain cause hallucinations which leads to a lot of anger. They may think that you are the one causeing the pain and not the diesease and lash out at you. Except unlike "ragers" they can still do things they did before, like shoot and drive. That would be an awesome virus, rabies that sets in fast and doesn't kill it stops in the last phase. Your's could even fall under it because after being in so much pain for so long you would begin to get used to it and it would appear that you are learning, but you are actually just adjusting. Though you would still be insane and subject to hallucinations.

Anyway the animals in either form wouldn't really be any more dangerous than usual. I saw a lion get shot 5 times before going down on most extreme videos. A rabid lion wouldn't really get away with more. I read a story about a grizzly killed in Alaska that took two clips in the head before dieing and after they opened it up, it had something like 60 bullets in it. Like I said I probably wouldn't pay enough attention to determine if it was infected or not before messing my pants and opening fire.
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trophykiller
trophykiller
94. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Nov 3 2010, 11:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 3 2010, 11:29 PM EDT
"Honestly if it was just a fast-acting rabies that didn't kill you it would be even more threatening. A rabies victim goes insane as he dies but is no dumber than he was before. He can still drive a car or use a gun, he still knows where he lives and that his wife burning the meatloaf last week is punishable by death.

When strapped down they resort to biting, but other than that they may attack you in anyway. The fever causes intense pain, the destruction of the brain cause hallucinations which leads to a lot of anger. They may think that you are the one causeing the pain and not the diesease and lash out at you. Except unlike "ragers" they can still do things they did before, like shoot and drive. That would be an awesome virus, rabies that sets in fast and doesn't kill it stops in the last phase. Your's could even fall under it because after being in so much pain for so long you would begin to get used to it and it would appear that you are learning, but you are actually just adjusting. Though you would still be insane and subject to hallucinations.

Anyway the animals in either form wouldn't really be any more dangerous than usual. I saw a lion get shot 5 times before going down on most extreme videos. A rabid lion wouldn't really get away with more. I read a story about a grizzly killed in Alaska that took two clips in the head before dieing and after they opened it up, it had something like 60 bullets in it. Like I said I probably wouldn't pay enough attention to determine if it was infected or not before messing my pants and opening fire."
point is, animals are dangerous, pissed off animals are terrifying, pissed off animals that WILL NOT STOP just reach a whole new level of ball shrivelling horror.

P.S. I would like to point out that bears are literally immune to .22s. Just a tip.
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skgingerkid
skgingerkid
95. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Nov 3 2010, 11:35 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 3 2010, 11:35 PM EDT
"but what if the virus is smart enough to know not to kill the victim, but rather just infect them. i honestly think that that is how it's going to be(I think the virus will be smart like that.)"
the viruses much like any living things goal would be to become the dominant species on said planet
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qazlp10
qazlp10
96. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Nov 4 2010, 11:40 AM EDT | Post edited: Nov 4 2010, 11:40 AM EDT
"the viruses much like any living things goal would be to become the dominant species on said planet"
That's not true the common cold virus should be one of the deadliest viruses in the world and yet it stops before it kills you. From what I've heard no other virus moves faster and does more damage in a short time than the cold virus. But it stops before killing us, why? Maybe because if we died so would the cold?
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NACHO.DYNAMYTE
NACHO.DYNAMYTE
97. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Nov 4 2010, 12:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 4 2010, 12:34 PM EDT
No offence everyone, I havent read all the comments but I have a list on this, feel free to correct me:
- Fish/aquatic animals? seriously? an infection could only be spread by air e.g cold or by being bitten - most likey. Now Fish extract air from water not air, and zombies arent fonna bite fish - theyd be too hard to catch for a zombie and it would just die then if it was bitten.
-DEAD BODIES CANNOT BECOME ZOMBIES LOOK IT UP - no evidence but a bite from a zombie to a dead body would not affect it as the bloodflow is stagnant/ not flowing so it would not go to the brain. The brain is already dead, it cannot be revived.
- Mammals - I live in England so we dont have bears or wild cats, but again i dont know how theyd be infected by bites, unless a zombie goes CQB and a bear would attack too so yeah. Also i dont know how theyd be infected through air as colds and such are caught with 'shared' air, bears and other mammals live in unurban areas so they have clean air except some rodets like rats and domestic animals like cats and dogs.
- thats all i have to say, please reply.;
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qazlp10
qazlp10
98. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Nov 4 2010, 8:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 4 2010, 8:36 PM EDT
"No offence everyone, I havent read all the comments but I have a list on this, feel free to correct me:
- Fish/aquatic animals? seriously? an infection could only be spread by air e.g cold or by being bitten - most likey. Now Fish extract air from water not air, and zombies arent fonna bite fish - theyd be too hard to catch for a zombie and it would just die then if it was bitten.
-DEAD BODIES CANNOT BECOME ZOMBIES LOOK IT UP - no evidence but a bite from a zombie to a dead body would not affect it as the bloodflow is stagnant/ not flowing so it would not go to the brain. The brain is already dead, it cannot be revived.
- Mammals - I live in England so we dont have bears or wild cats, but again i dont know how theyd be infected by bites, unless a zombie goes CQB and a bear would attack too so yeah. Also i dont know how theyd be infected through air as colds and such are caught with 'shared' air, bears and other mammals live in unurban areas so they have clean air except some rodets like rats and domestic animals like cats and dogs.
- thats all i have to say, please reply.;"
ROTFLMAO!

He's a bigger buzz kill than Buzz Killington.

No offense dude but don't come into the zombie animal thread pretending that they are impossible while suggesting the undead themselves are possible.

Look it up where? Last time I checked there's never been a zombie outbreak so I don't know where this relieable information is coming from.

Beyond that there are many viruses that can be transferred between mammals. Rabies infects all warm blooded animals according to the government website. That includes birds and mammals.

PEOPLE CANNOT BECOME ZOMBIES LOOK IT UP- no evidence. :P LOL!
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skgingerkid
skgingerkid
99. RE: how will you combat zanimals?
Nov 4 2010, 8:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 4 2010, 8:45 PM EDT
"That's not true the common cold virus should be one of the deadliest viruses in the world and yet it stops before it kills you. From what I've heard no other virus moves faster and does more damage in a short time than the cold virus. But it stops before killing us, why? Maybe because if we died so would the cold?"
that is what i said
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