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trophykiller	trading wisely Sep 4 2010, 6:28 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 4 2010, 6:28 PM EDT we all know that, unless it's some kind of nuclear radioactive sludge hits the fan scenario, trading of some sort will always be there. z-day is no different. so what will be in the highest demand? how can we safeguard our stock from being stolen? what can we replenish without having to scavenge? these are all key questions that could possibly save our lives. we all know guns and ammunition will be a staple of trade come z-day, but it wont be the one you can sell for the highest amount. a lot of people have suggested drugs, but anyone(except those on foot) can make drugs and alcohol(even walkers can make that). porn and sex are ones that will get you VERY far. and you can replenish the amount of you have of each(except sex, if you care about your girls enough to give them condoms(i would) and if you have a camera, you can make copies of the porn, then sell the copies. and if your group has electricity, you can use digital cameras and then recharge them, thus destroying the need for film. food is another, however it won't be very high in demand until people relize its all been scavaged. after that, its price will skyrocket. services will essentially be the only way convoys will last,seeing as how they have huge,gaping weakness called fuel(followed by lack of space,hygiene(usually),land,food,rescouses,defensive capabilities(one raider could take your whole operation down too quick for you to fight back if he had a military sniper rifle.)essentialy,this is any act done for someone in exchange for some kind of reward. but the one i feel will be worth the most: fuel. it will be incredibly rare,and as time goes on,that amount only goes down.cars are great zed killers and one of the fastest modes of transportation.they will no doubt be very popular.however,they require gas(unless you have one of those tesla motors cars,which you probably don't.)and as such,will make fuel a vital resourse. Post reply 8 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: convoys suck food fuel supply and demand trade trading viva settlements!
trophykiller	1. RE: trading wisely Sep 4 2010, 6:50 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 4 2010, 6:54 PM EDT continued: fuel cannot be made by people on the go, even though they need it most. as such, if you find an oil well and a refinerie, expect to make more money off oil than rockefeller(richest man who ever lived. literally.) so if you have any comments, suggestions, think i made a mistake, ect., feel free to tell me. always good to get feedback. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
FrankLeeDeRainged	2. RE: trading wisely Sep 4 2010, 7:26 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 4 2010, 7:26 PM EDT Fuel can be grown. Rudolf Diesel designed his engine to run on vegetable oil. extracting oil from plants is bronze age technology. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
trophykiller	3. RE: trading wisely Sep 4 2010, 10:41 PM EDT "Fuel can be grown. Rudolf Diesel designed his engine to run on vegetable oil. extracting oil from plants is bronze age technology. " i think that requires some real gas though, doesn't it? Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
FrankLeeDeRainged	4. RE: trading wisely Sep 5 2010, 4:19 AM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 5 2010, 4:19 AM EDT Sorry, could you clarify your question please? What takes real gas? Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
DonovanRichter	5. RE: trading wisely Sep 5 2010, 8:06 AM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 5 2010, 8:18 AM EDT I think TK means the engine, since the ancient people didn't have gasoline =^_^= Also such engines will likely not be very common unless oil starts becoming harder to come by before the apocalypse? Ooooh, interesting =_= I figured that I would mostly scavenge for my personal base and act as a trade convoy between different settlements. =^_^= Mostly a scavenger though cuz my arsenal would suck against raiders. =-_-= Hmmm, I figure that batteries will be kinda plentiful for the scavenging at first but later on may become scarce. Car parts, if settlements clear away road routes for ease of trading/scavenging. Barricading materials to keep walls sturdy. Alcohol can be easily produced on base, if people have the slightest clue about what they're doing and have access to some brewers/bakers yeast depending on the proof they want. So such things could be traded too =^_^= Also, for higher proofs, adding sugar to your stuff can be important and sugar itself would be a desirable for other reasons. =^_^= "Quality" alcohol also has a particular prestige too that could fetch a price from the well off. And as you've mentioned prostitution/porn. Well sure, its big bucks now and it still will be, especially when the internet dies and people continue to want new material. I wouldn't exactly say that I'm above either of them. Medicines would be in demand for sure but also hard to come by since people need specific ones. I know one fellow who wants to operate a library, trading homegrown vices and food for books and or food (depending on need.) His services would also come in awfully handy. But he'd be a great place to sell to as well. I'd totally raid libraries and book stores and personal book collections. Need a history book? Hit the college where you can identify the offices of history professors they usually have the best and most complete collections. . Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DonovanRichter	6. RE: trading wisely Sep 5 2010, 8:18 AM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 5 2010, 8:24 AM EDT But these are all necessities, vices and/or very practical items we've mentioned thus far. From what I've seen, people are willing to risk their own rent money for a shot at normalcy. =_= That's why my idea of scavenging usually involves taking requests and going door-to-door and car-to-car. People really do pay out the nose for things they want, things that might give them a chance to feel at home. Could be a lawn gnome, mailbox or picket fence, or more likely it could be a particular thing from their childhood. A particular junkfood or maybe even bath salts. There's no telling =_= I'm frugal myself and don't want many material things, except the entire earth and sky of course =^_~= But I see a lot of people who need certain things to make them happy and are willing to jeopardize themselves financially to get it. =;_;= Post reply Do you find this valuable?
trophykiller	7. RE: trading wisely Sep 5 2010, 1:13 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 5 2010, 1:13 PM EDT thats true DR(does it bug you that there is a lawn mower company called DR? probably not, seeing as how their slogan is "professional power".) but i think alchohol is going to be in HUGE demand, regardless of whether or not it tastes like crap, as long as it drowns their sorrows. i honestly don't know how to make booze, but i live(not even joking) near a budweiser plant, and if any place on earth is going to have the means to create booze, it'll be their. i wonder if zack is going to be there? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DonovanRichter	8. RE: trading wisely Sep 5 2010, 1:24 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 5 2010, 1:24 PM EDT Mheheheheheh, only if they're romero zombies! =^__^= Yeah, you're right, alcohol could definitely stay in high demand. especially if a lot of the yeast is getting killed off and people aren't growing enough themselves. I don't know the process myself but I know way too many people who do so I assumed that most settlements would be able to pull it off. Fruity drinks and wines for some people would be a good trade item to carry. But distilled spirits are far more compact and I personally would rather carry those for trade and my own consumption, but only when on base. I guess I'd have to get an idea of the tastes of my buyer's first though =^_^= Yeah, didn't know there was a lawn mower company with my initials =^_^= That's alright, even though I'm neither professional nor big on power. =^_^= Post reply Do you find this valuable?
trophykiller	9. RE: trading wisely Sep 5 2010, 3:56 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 5 2010, 3:56 PM EDT well, they do more than lawn mowers. they also do chainsaws, weedwackers, pretty much anything for use on a lawn or a farm. anyway, the way i see it, supply and demand will still be the rules of buisness, even then. which is why you may want to become interested in gunsmithi- oh, wait, youre gun shy, my bad. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DonovanRichter	10. RE: trading wisely Sep 5 2010, 4:25 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 5 2010, 4:25 PM EDT Mhehehehehehhee, yep =^_^= I see =^_^= Post reply Do you find this valuable?
FrankLeeDeRainged	11. RE: trading wisely Sep 5 2010, 4:46 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 5 2010, 4:46 PM EDT For most of Europe's history, beer was made because the water wasn't safe to drink for much of the year. It wasn't a luxury or indulgence but necessity. People in places with poor water supply's will learn to make it, or succumb to cholera etc. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	12. RE: trading wisely Sep 5 2010, 4:57 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 5 2010, 4:57 PM EDT How about after boiling was found to kill bacteria? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
FrankLeeDeRainged	13. RE: trading wisely Sep 5 2010, 5:06 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 5 2010, 5:19 PM EDT Boiled water will go bad in a container, water with even a small amount of alcohol is 'potable' it will keep almost indefinitely. Oh yea, water skins and flexible containers can be squeezed and sealed, low air pressure inhibits the growth of Anaerobic bacteria. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	14. RE: trading wisely Sep 5 2010, 5:13 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 5 2010, 5:13 PM EDT "Boiled water will go bad in a container, water with even a small amount of alcohol is 'potable' it will keep almost indefinitely." True...but is that beer? The thing I'm seeing is Resource Requirments. Fire's a pretty basic thing and almost everyone knows at least one way to do it. Boiling WILL kill bacteria. A still takes different skills and alchohol DEhydrates. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
FrankLeeDeRainged	15. RE: trading wisely Sep 5 2010, 5:28 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 5 2010, 5:28 PM EDT Central Asia gets pretty dry in places. The nomads fermented the milk of the Yak in leather wine-skins. Which sound f**king vile! So I'd hazard a guess they needed it for something. Possibly to take the edge off their horrible existence if milk wine was their idea of a treat! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
2WheeledSpeed	16. RE: trading wisely Sep 5 2010, 5:29 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 5 2010, 5:29 PM EDT "True...but is that beer? The thing I'm seeing is Resource Requirments. Fire's a pretty basic thing and almost everyone knows at least one way to do it. Boiling WILL kill bacteria. A still takes different skills and alchohol DEhydrates. " That's not even remotely close to beer. It's true that alcohol DEhydrates you, but a tiny amount in your drinking water won't matter, the iodine mixture many of us use to purify our water while hiking/camping contains alcohol. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	17. RE: trading wisely Sep 5 2010, 6:08 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 5 2010, 6:08 PM EDT "That's not even remotely close to beer. It's true that alcohol DEhydrates you, but a tiny amount in your drinking water won't matter, the iodine mixture many of us use to purify our water while hiking/camping contains alcohol." Some would disagree but whatever:P Simply pointing out that the guys who used alchohol to replace water weren't actually helping themselves by much. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	18. RE: trading wisely Sep 5 2010, 7:03 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 5 2010, 7:03 PM EDT "True...but is that beer? The thing I'm seeing is Resource Requirments. Fire's a pretty basic thing and almost everyone knows at least one way to do it. Boiling WILL kill bacteria. A still takes different skills and alchohol DEhydrates. " Ish. In Elizabethan times in England, people would drink beer instead of water, because the water was so polluted. Yes, alcohol dehydrates, but not in the way that is usually implied: a drop of alcohol in a glass of water doesn't render drinking it useless. Aftershaves dry out the skin, but they are close to 100% alcohol. Beer is 6% (probably less in the US) and the other 94%? Water. Adding alcohol in small percentages might kill enough bacteria to be safe, but the reason beer was safe was not just the alcohol. The fermentation process played the larger part. Finally, as for water going bad in a container, it depends on the purity of the water, and the type of container and how it is stored. Plastic containers touching concrete are definitely bad. Aluminium is better than iron. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
FrankLeeDeRainged	19. RE: trading wisely Sep 6 2010, 1:06 AM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 6 2010, 1:06 AM EDT Oak barrels leach tannic acid into water stored in them which slows the fouling of stored water, not stops but slowed. This is why the British Navy still needed to issue rum (that and the 'miserable existance' factor). Unglazed ceramics sweats, this produces a cooling effect which is why it was popular in warm climates, warm water fouls faster. Glazed stone or ceramic was easy to clean but heavy and only really suitable for stationary use. Finally skin and leather containers were favored by nomads and travelers because they sweat, are easy to pack and are comparatively light. These were the best solutions mankind came up with in ten thousand years or so. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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