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AlphaEnder
Recoil
Sep 6 2010, 4:21 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2010, 4:21 AM EDT
Okay, so I didn't read this all the way in detail because it's late, but there is one thing I have to ask: Have you ever shot a Mosin-Nagant and then a 12 gauge, or the other way around?

The MN is much, much more powerful. The 12 gauge is a gun you can fire one handed (just did it this weekend for the hell of it). The Mosin-Nagant would snap your wrist for even thinking about it. The first time I shot the MN (the longer barreled version, therefore less kick and quieter) I forgot about ear protection. I was deafened and couldn't hear out of that ear (at all) for five minutes. The first time I shot the 12 gauge, I went through roughly 50 rounds in 15 minutes and had relatively no problem with hearing. The Mosin Nagant is far more powerful than a shotgun.

Also, since we seem to be going off of the basis that your female members of the group appear to be stupid, slow, and poor shots, a shotgun would definitely be a better weapon of choice, whereas the stronger, smarter, and far better shots should have something that requires more than just a point and shoot technique.
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Comrade_47
Comrade_47
1. RE: Recoil
Sep 6 2010, 4:43 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2010, 4:43 AM EDT
Thanks for bringing this up. I've never actually fired either weapon before, and I'm basing everything off of what (I thought) I know. I would have figured a shotgun to kick more than a rifle, but that might be just all the movies messing with my head.

Anyway, in a few more months, when I'm 18, I'll be sure to remember this when I experience recoil for the first time.
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demsmine
demsmine
2. RE: Recoil
Sep 6 2010, 7:23 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2010, 7:23 AM EDT
"Okay, so I didn't read this all the way in detail because it's late, but there is one thing I have to ask: Have you ever shot a Mosin-Nagant and then a 12 gauge, or the other way around?

The MN is much, much more powerful. The 12 gauge is a gun you can fire one handed (just did it this weekend for the hell of it). The Mosin-Nagant would snap your wrist for even thinking about it. The first time I shot the MN (the longer barreled version, therefore less kick and quieter) I forgot about ear protection. I was deafened and couldn't hear out of that ear (at all) for five minutes. The first time I shot the 12 gauge, I went through roughly 50 rounds in 15 minutes and had relatively no problem with hearing. The Mosin Nagant is far more powerful than a shotgun.

Also, since we seem to be going off of the basis that your female members of the group appear to be stupid, slow, and poor shots, a shotgun would definitely be a better weapon of choice, whereas the stronger, smarter, and far better shots should have something that requires more than just a point and shoot technique."
What load where you firing from a shot gun? I'm guess in it was a low brass number eight, skeet round. Try putting some three inch buck shot magnums in the ole scatter gun then come back and tell us if you feel a difference. Also if it's a double barrel, now this is really important, pull both triggers at the same time. This should at least change your ideas about the recoil of a shot gun, and please do not fire any buckshot rounds one handed.
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SasquatchJim
SasquatchJim
3. RE: Recoil
Sep 6 2010, 7:56 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2010, 7:58 AM EDT
"What load where you firing from a shot gun? I'm guess in it was a low brass number eight, skeet round. Try putting some three inch buck shot magnums in the ole scatter gun then come back and tell us if you feel a difference. Also if it's a double barrel, now this is really important, pull both triggers at the same time. This should at least change your ideas about the recoil of a shot gun, and please do not fire any buckshot rounds one handed."
I was wondering that too. Some 12 gauge magnum loads have literally left me with a bleeding shoulder (3.5" turkey load, out of a 18" Mossbserg 535 with a collapsible stock with no recoil bad.)

I think he may have been using birdshot, as he mentions 50 shells.

A friends of mine fired a pistol-gripped Mossberg with one hand. It hit him in the face.

Also, the Mosin isn't that bad. I didn't think it was any worse than a .30-06.
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Filadog
Filadog
4. RE: Recoil
Sep 6 2010, 8:23 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2010, 8:23 AM EDT
Is a mistake to confuse felt recoil with "power" as felt recoil has alot to do with stock design a rifle like a m nagant has a stock that is narrow and straight with a metal but plate....not a good design to help with recoil

The recoil force of a Nagant cartridge fired out of a 9lb rifle is between about 14-17 lbs depending weight if bullet. This is about 5 lbs less then a 30 06. A .223 is about 3 lbs by the way!

A 7 1/2 lb 12 ga shooting light weight field loads is about 17 lbs and goes up to about 54 lbs when shooting 1 7/8 in magnums
1 oz slug loads are around 35 lbs which is about the same recoil as a .375 magnum rifle. I used to own a .375 and to me this sounds right

I think to shotguns recoil feels less because of how they are often shot. Normaly you are standing and not taking your time aiming like a rifle. Also many have recoil pads and good shaped stocks. The same load in my old double Parker kicks harder then shot out of my Remington 870
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demsmine
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5. RE: Recoil
Sep 6 2010, 8:40 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2010, 8:40 AM EDT
"

A 7 1/2 lb 12 ga shooting light weight field loads is about 17 lbs and goes up to about 54 lbs when shooting 1 7/8 in magnums
1 oz slug loads are around 35 lbs which is about the same recoil as a .375 magnum rifle. I used to own a .375 and to me this sounds right

I think to shotguns recoil feels less because of how they are often shot. Normaly you are standing and not taking your time aiming like a rifle. Also many have recoil pads and good shaped stocks. The same load in my old double Parker kicks harder then shot out of my Remington 870"
Oh please say, you .375 h&h was a double rifle. I seriously cream myself when I look at those damn things. I know their way dated now for African hunts, As a mater of fact I just an article by David Petzal about how most pro guides in Africa use a bolt guns now, but screw that. If i shell out the cash to go to hunt in Africa it's going to be with a double gun.
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Filadog
Filadog
6. RE: Recoil
Sep 6 2010, 9:16 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2010, 9:16 AM EDT
"Oh please say, you .375 h&h was a double rifle. I seriously cream myself when I look at those damn things. I know their way dated now for African hunts, As a mater of fact I just an article by David Petzal about how most pro guides in Africa use a bolt guns now, but screw that. If i shell out the cash to go to hunt in Africa it's going to be with a double gun."
No if it was a double I would still have it I'm sure. Still was a nice gun , a pre 64 Winchester modle 70.

I liked it but didn't really have much use for , never had much trouble with Cape Buffalos in the garden , so I traded it off for a beautiful pre war Mauser sporter in 8 mm , a Walther PPK and a good bit of cash

Guess I should get myself a double rifle someday
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Drakkarius
Drakkarius
7. RE: Recoil
Sep 6 2010, 9:36 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2010, 9:36 AM EDT
"Okay, so I didn't read this all the way in detail because it's late, but there is one thing I have to ask: Have you ever shot a Mosin-Nagant and then a 12 gauge, or the other way around?

The MN is much, much more powerful. The 12 gauge is a gun you can fire one handed (just did it this weekend for the hell of it). The Mosin-Nagant would snap your wrist for even thinking about it. The first time I shot the MN (the longer barreled version, therefore less kick and quieter) I forgot about ear protection. I was deafened and couldn't hear out of that ear (at all) for five minutes. The first time I shot the 12 gauge, I went through roughly 50 rounds in 15 minutes and had relatively no problem with hearing. The Mosin Nagant is far more powerful than a shotgun.

Also, since we seem to be going off of the basis that your female members of the group appear to be stupid, slow, and poor shots, a shotgun would definitely be a better weapon of choice, whereas the stronger, smarter, and far better shots should have something that requires more than just a point and shoot technique."
I was raised on Mosins and shotguns, and have to say, it depends a LOT on the shell you're firing from the shotgun. Short bird or buck wont be anything quite as powerful as the Mosin will be, but the Mosin, in all honesty, doesn't have much kick at all. Now go ahead and load a few magnum turkey shots and a couple slugs and tell me how you feel. Though, the Mosin IS the loudest rifle I have ever heard... I about crapped my self first time I heard it. :P

Oh, and it wont snap your wrist firing one handed. I've done it. :P

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2WheeledSpeed
2WheeledSpeed
8. RE: Recoil
Sep 6 2010, 11:19 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2010, 11:19 AM EDT
Mosin Nagant snap your wrist?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFsUvh078I

Maybe if you're my 105 pound girlfriend.
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SasquatchJim
SasquatchJim
9. RE: Recoil
Sep 6 2010, 11:55 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2010, 11:55 AM EDT
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A 7 1/2 lb 12 ga shooting light weight field loads is about 17 lbs and goes up to about 54 lbs when shooting 1 7/8 in magnums"
1 7/8" magnums? What are those? You mean 1 7/8 ounces, right?

Anyway, I agree on the .375. That turkey load kicked FAR more than a Ruger No.1 .375 H&H

Finally, where he said they were less powerful, in terms of FPE, that's not true. Good, middle-of the-road slugs are about as powerful as a .308 or 7.62X54R
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