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SGT629
SGT629
Wait a minute....
Sep 6 2010, 8:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2010, 8:44 PM EDT
On what basis are you ranking these guns? There's guns from all different families, you but the R700 as the first sniper rifle, but the Mosin Nagant was used as a sniper as well, then you mixed semi, bolt and automatic actions to the mix and it becomes obscure as to the point of the list. Snipers are situational weapons as are assault rifles. If you care about accuracy the M16 way out classes the AK. But all around best gun being an M1 Carbine? What about ammunition and difficulty of maintenance? I guess what I'm really trying to say is, how are these weapons better than others when it comes to killing zombies? 3  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
nate121
nate121
1. RE: Wait a minute....
Sep 6 2010, 8:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2010, 8:46 PM EDT
there rated by popular vote.
we made a list and voted.
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Wolf147
Wolf147
2. RE: Wait a minute....
Sep 6 2010, 8:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2010, 8:47 PM EDT
"On what basis are you ranking these guns? There's guns from all different families, you but the R700 as the first sniper rifle, but the Mosin Nagant was used as a sniper as well, then you mixed semi, bolt and automatic actions to the mix and it becomes obscure as to the point of the list. Snipers are situational weapons as are assault rifles. If you care about accuracy the M16 way out classes the AK. But all around best gun being an M1 Carbine? What about ammunition and difficulty of maintenance? I guess what I'm really trying to say is, how are these weapons better than others when it comes to killing zombies?"
I agree, I think there should be different categories such as top ten assualt rifles, and top ten shotguns, top ten sniper rifles, and maybe top ten carbines. This seems like a good way to evaluate them.
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OutlawJames
OutlawJames
3. RE: Wait a minute....
Sep 6 2010, 9:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2010, 9:17 PM EDT
"On what basis are you ranking these guns? There's guns from all different families, you but the R700 as the first sniper rifle, but the Mosin Nagant was used as a sniper as well, then you mixed semi, bolt and automatic actions to the mix and it becomes obscure as to the point of the list. Snipers are situational weapons as are assault rifles. If you care about accuracy the M16 way out classes the AK. But all around best gun being an M1 Carbine? What about ammunition and difficulty of maintenance? I guess what I'm really trying to say is, how are these weapons better than others when it comes to killing zombies?"
The original list was compiled as an, all-round rifle. We purposely did not specialize as to type, style, calibre, purpose.
But only limited it to, " Must be owned by whoever nominated it", must be commercially available, must be UNDER a certain price, must be common and with a common cartridge,and must be able to be used as either a medium range hunter or, self defense weapon.
Things like ease of maintnance, use and reliability were considered important.

The list I believe was 30 some firearms long. It was then voted on by the entire membership for some 2 months I believe.

The idea was not to pick a "BEST GUN" as you state but a "most rounded firearm to meet the purpose"

The object was not to pick a special purpose firearm, like a sniper or a hunter or an assault weapon.
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SGT629
SGT629
4. RE: Wait a minute....
Sep 6 2010, 10:06 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2010, 10:06 PM EDT
"The original list was compiled as an, all-round rifle. We purposely did not specialize as to type, style, calibre, purpose.
But only limited it to, " Must be owned by whoever nominated it", must be commercially available, must be UNDER a certain price, must be common and with a common cartridge,and must be able to be used as either a medium range hunter or, self defense weapon.
Things like ease of maintnance, use and reliability were considered important.

The list I believe was 30 some firearms long. It was then voted on by the entire membership for some 2 months I believe.

The idea was not to pick a "BEST GUN" as you state but a "most rounded firearm to meet the purpose"

The object was not to pick a special purpose firearm, like a sniper or a hunter or an assault weapon."
I suppose under that limitation this list is accurate, but I guess I'm stuck on the title claiming that they are the best (top ten) weapons for the apocalypse. Just seems to me that sniper rifles aren't rounded at all.
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OutlawJames
OutlawJames
5. RE: Wait a minute....
Sep 6 2010, 10:35 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 6 2010, 10:37 PM EDT
"I suppose under that limitation this list is accurate, but I guess I'm stuck on the title claiming that they are the best (top ten) weapons for the apocalypse. Just seems to me that sniper rifles aren't rounded at all."
They did no such thing, They said TOP TEN, not BEST, there is a difference.

If you are talking about the Rem 700, While it is used by several militaries as a sniper, It is in fact nothing more than a commercial bolt action hunting rifle.

It is because of its inherent accuracy and the ease of its being able to be finely tuned that makes it a sniper in the hands of one so qualified.

However that appelation can be used on any one of the firearms, IF, they are fine tuned to deliver better than average accuracy, and are used in that type of manner.

The fact that the term Sniper was used on the 700 here, is realy unfair to it. That tends to stereo type it, as most people think in terms of ultra long range when they think sniper. But that is realy quite far from the truth.

The beauty of the list is however, you dont have to agree with it either in part, or in whole.
It is a compilation of many peoples opinions.
I myself feel there are a few firearms on the list that should not be there, but that is my opinion.
But, if you were to take say 2000 people from this site and let them choose one weapon that they own to take on a survival retreat, I bet the majority of the firearms will be found on that list, with very few exceptions.
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SGT629
SGT629
6. RE: Wait a minute....
Sep 7 2010, 12:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 7 2010, 12:55 PM EDT
"They did no such thing, They said TOP TEN, not BEST, there is a difference.

If you are talking about the Rem 700, While it is used by several militaries as a sniper, It is in fact nothing more than a commercial bolt action hunting rifle.

It is because of its inherent accuracy and the ease of its being able to be finely tuned that makes it a sniper in the hands of one so qualified.

However that appelation can be used on any one of the firearms, IF, they are fine tuned to deliver better than average accuracy, and are used in that type of manner.

The fact that the term Sniper was used on the 700 here, is realy unfair to it. That tends to stereo type it, as most people think in terms of ultra long range when they think sniper. But that is realy quite far from the truth.

The beauty of the list is however, you dont have to agree with it either in part, or in whole.
It is a compilation of many peoples opinions.
I myself feel there are a few firearms on the list that should not be there, but that is my opinion.
But, if you were to take say 2000 people from this site and let them choose one weapon that they own to take on a survival retreat, I bet the majority of the firearms will be found on that list, with very few exceptions."
How is saying that these ten guns are the TOP not saying they are the best! A top 10 list is inherently claiming the best! And a bolt action rifle is still ill suited toward cqc which why I'm so goram confused! Why is the M1 carbine the top 1 (best of the best) for it's cqc accuracy and the M1 lower because of long range accuracy and the R700 being better than the M1 Garand because of long range accuracy.
I just don't understand what criteria was used to say that a short to long semi was better than a long range bolt and a mess of automatics. It seems to me as though this was just a popularity contest. And that's fine, it's user submitted,
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timberrattler
timberrattler
7. RE: Wait a minute....
Sep 7 2010, 1:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 7 2010, 1:18 PM EDT
"How is saying that these ten guns are the TOP not saying they are the best! A top 10 list is inherently claiming the best! And a bolt action rifle is still ill suited toward cqc which why I'm so goram confused! Why is the M1 carbine the top 1 (best of the best) for it's cqc accuracy and the M1 lower because of long range accuracy and the R700 being better than the M1 Garand because of long range accuracy.
I just don't understand what criteria was used to say that a short to long semi was better than a long range bolt and a mess of automatics. It seems to me as though this was just a popularity contest. And that's fine, it's user submitted, "
You're thinking too hard. Take a breath and relax, its going to be OK.
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SGT629
SGT629
8. RE: Wait a minute....
Sep 7 2010, 7:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 7 2010, 7:36 PM EDT
"You're thinking too hard. Take a breath and relax, its going to be OK."
you're right, I'm getting caught up in semantics, whooosa.
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SovietPrince
SovietPrince
9. RE: Wait a minute....
Sep 8 2010, 12:03 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 8 2010, 12:03 AM EDT
maybe one day the site will do more polling to seperate the different actions out. after all, we did put a winchester lever in over say, the steyr.. (and thus an argument could ensue)

someday we should sort this out.. but that'd involve sorting carbines from pistol caliber rifles, etc.

so confusing. ugh. let it be. Its a good general list anyway
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DEVILDOGMP
DEVILDOGMP
10. RE: Wait a minute....
Sep 8 2010, 12:07 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 8 2010, 12:07 AM EDT
IMO any weapon you have that you are familiar and efficient with is just as good as any other weapon Do you find this valuable?    
SGT629
SGT629
11. RE: Wait a minute....
Sep 8 2010, 2:39 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 8 2010, 2:39 AM EDT
"IMO any weapon you have that you are familiar and efficient with is just as good as any other weapon"
If you say so, I'm not taking my mosin into CQC, even with the bayonet. I see your point though. Soviet, I agree completely. I guess at first I just saw top ten rifles and assumed someone was claiming that these were the best choice weapons for reasons that were explained in captions. I love my Mosin but everyone knows the Mauser kicks it's ass when it comes to weight and accuracy.
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demsmine
demsmine
12. RE: Wait a minute....
Sep 8 2010, 2:50 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 8 2010, 2:50 AM EDT
what, no m14/m1a? No Fn FAL? Do you find this valuable?    
SGT629
SGT629
13. RE: Wait a minute....
Sep 8 2010, 3:06 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 8 2010, 3:06 AM EDT
"what, no m14/m1a? No Fn FAL?"
I found out that it's all user submitted and only guns that users who participated owned. That way they didn't end up with someone submitting a lightsaber or some crap.
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demsmine
demsmine
14. RE: Wait a minute....
Sep 8 2010, 3:15 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 8 2010, 3:15 AM EDT
"I found out that it's all user submitted and only guns that users who participated owned. That way they didn't end up with someone submitting a lightsaber or some crap."
Well I don't own a M1a or a FAL. Hell I don't really even own anything I'd consider a battle style rifle. The closed thing I got is a pre 64 Winchester Model 100, and I sure as hell wouldn't want to go into a fight with only four rounds in my mag.
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SGT629
SGT629
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Sep 8 2010, 4:09 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 8 2010, 4:09 AM EDT
"Well I don't own a M1a or a FAL. Hell I don't really even own anything I'd consider a battle style rifle. The closed thing I got is a pre 64 Winchester Model 100, and I sure as hell wouldn't want to go into a fight with only four rounds in my mag."
I know what you mean, I've got a Mosin Nagant, but I think I'd rather have the Winchester to be honest. I still have a stiff Shoulder from the last time I took her to the range.
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demsmine
demsmine
16. RE: Wait a minute....
Sep 8 2010, 6:27 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 8 2010, 6:27 AM EDT
"I know what you mean, I've got a Mosin Nagant, but I think I'd rather have the Winchester to be honest. I still have a stiff Shoulder from the last time I took her to the range."
That 7.62X54r is an awesome round, basically a commie 30-06. Have you tried slipping a limb saver recoil sleeve over the stock. it would look ugly as all sin, but it would probably help.
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SGT629
SGT629
17. RE: Wait a minute....
Sep 8 2010, 9:17 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 8 2010, 9:17 AM EDT
"That 7.62X54r is an awesome round, basically a commie 30-06. Have you tried slipping a limb saver recoil sleeve over the stock. it would look ugly as all sin, but it would probably help."
I've tried all kinds of rubber butts, sleeves, recoil pads, nothing seems to reduce the recoil enough to be worth the loss of a good steel melee surface.
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demsmine
demsmine
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Sep 8 2010, 2:12 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 8 2010, 2:12 PM EDT
"I've tried all kinds of rubber butts, sleeves, recoil pads, nothing seems to reduce the recoil enough to be worth the loss of a good steel melee surface."
I live under the philosophy, that if I have to hit them with it, I've done something seriously wrong. Plus that's why I invest in a good two foot bladed dagger/short sword from Windlass.XD
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Game_Face
19. RE: Wait a minute....
Sep 8 2010, 2:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 8 2010, 2:18 PM EDT
I couldn't believe that the AR-15 didn't get the most votes.

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