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Zero/Omni	Agriculture choices and details Sep 29 2010, 3:03 PM EDT I'm not a farmer, but in a post zday world, I would want sources of agriculture to feed myself and whoever is with me, rather then running the risk of raiding. I would like to know WHAT to plant though. I think being near a nut producing tree would be good (not that you could plant one and hope to survive off of it though), potatoes, Corn , cucumbers, spaghetti squash, etc. So I was just wondering what will we need to plant and grow any plants, will they support a group of people, and just any details you could add would be appreciated. Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: Agriculture alternative food source farming food plants raiding ration rations survival
PedroAsani	1. RE: Agriculture choices and details Sep 29 2010, 3:19 PM EDT http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/PedroAsani%27s+Survival+Plan+-+Part+3%3A+Digging+In+-+Food That's my list. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
FrankLeeDeRainged	2. RE: Agriculture choices and details Sep 29 2010, 3:34 PM EDT You need to consider local conditions first, what kind of soil, what kind of country and what your climate is. Bananas and Coconuts are really good but if your up on the Canadian border. . . ; D A good start is what is grown in your area now, and bearing in mind you may not be able to use modern agricultural techniques what was traditionally grown there. But there are food plants that will grow almost anywhere. Beans of various types are fairly easy to grow, they're hardy, nutritious and there are many types for thriving in different climates and soils. They can deplete your soil so be sure and turn them back into the soil at seasons end. Nuts are great, loads of protein and store very well but you'd best plant now because that is a slow slow crop. About the fastest thing I can think of growing would be mushrooms. Ideal for Bug-in situations, not hard to do and you have something edible within a month. You could do worse than checking out the 'Survival Podcast' folk there slogan is; Resistance is fertile Post reply Do you find this valuable?
dragonvilla4	3. RE: Agriculture choices and details Oct 1 2010, 9:37 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 1 2010, 9:37 PM EDT I'm thinking these crops will do well. Wheat, easy to grow and you can make bread and oatmeal from it and does not require too much space its basically just grass. Corn, also easy to make and you can make alcohol from it so that make some people happy good for morale. Peanuts, require only a few months to grow and grow in large quantity's very nutritious don't require a hell of a lot of work. Cherry, they grow in tree's so they take a while to grow but there wood is good for smoking aren't as big as most trees they grow kinda short and very skinny so you wont need to worry to much about space. Those are all the stuff I'm growing I'm also going to raise chickens and goats so ill have enough food I'm pretty sure. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Zero/Omni	4. RE: Agriculture choices and details Oct 1 2010, 11:08 PM EDT Excellent information! I was just wanting to know which fruits and vegetables would be the best in terms of availability (how long before it grows and how plentiful essentially), and nutrition. But this list and details of the farm layout pretty much go beyond that. Thanks guys! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
timberrattler	5. RE: Agriculture choices and details Oct 2 2010, 5:12 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 2 2010, 5:12 AM EDT " Wheat, easy to grow and you can make oatmeal from it Corn, also easy to make " You sir are magic. This is the first time I've heard of someone being able to turn wheat into oatmeal. You usually use oats. Thus the name "oat"meal. The next miracle is the ability to make corn. What materials go into your production of corn? I'm really interested because around here we've been wasting our time "growing" the dang stuff. Never knew you could just "make" it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
dragonvilla4	6. RE: Agriculture choices and details Oct 3 2010, 3:03 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 3 2010, 3:03 AM EDT "You sir are magic. This is the first time I've heard of someone being able to turn wheat into oatmeal. You usually use oats. Thus the name "oat"meal. The next miracle is the ability to make corn. What materials go into your production of corn? I'm really interested because around here we've been wasting our time "growing" the dang stuff. Never knew you could just "make" it." Sorry about that sir misinformation i thought wheat was a type of oat i just found that its actually grass kinda weird huh sir. and sorry i meant to say grow don't have to make such a big deal out of it sir. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
timberrattler	7. RE: Agriculture choices and details Oct 3 2010, 9:28 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 3 2010, 9:28 AM EDT " and sorry i meant to say grow don't have to make such a big deal out of it sir." You're right I don't. Sorry for the beatdown. If finding out that wheat is a form of annual grass is a mindbender how about the fact that corn in its natural state before humanity started messing with it was a form of grass. Trippy huh? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Oakspar77777	8. RE: Agriculture choices and details Oct 3 2010, 12:36 PM EDT I have not yet tried wheat - that is on next year's list - but growing sustainable heritage corn is a pain in the ass. 1) It is hungry as hell, so without chemical fertilizer you have to have a lot of crap around to fertilize with. There was a reason that the reds taught the pilgrims to plant it on a fish corpse. I had to use chicken manure on it - the rabbit wasn't strong enough to get a good ear. 2) It is thirsty - meaning that it needs lots of REGULAR water - so irrigation is a must. 3) It is bug prone. Without pesticides you have to go and stab the worm in EVERY ear (two per stalk). And yes, every stalk WILL have a worm and oddly, once you kill the first one - you are usually okay. Not counting the ants, aphid, crickets, and grasshoppers/locust. I'm not saying don't grow corn. I'm saying that you will have ears 50% smaller for more work than you will expect. By the way field corn (often called deer corn or feed corn - as opposed to "sweet corn" that you eat) is edible - you just have to grind it. Taste worse, but is a little easier to raise. Tomatoes, melons, and squashes all grow well, deal with crappy soil (but will produce better with good soil), and produce heavily with long seasons. After a few years, I've had enough go bad in the fields to pop up volunteer. All I have to do now is go out and cage the tomatoes each spring. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Zero/Omni	9. RE: Agriculture choices and details Oct 4 2010, 12:37 AM EDT I personally wasn't too fond of growing corn because I used to visit my friend whose field was sold to a farmer that raised corn on it, so I know what you mean by high demand on them. Tomatoes, I don't know how "healthy" those are. I was thinking of crops that were specifically chosen for health. The other day I did some research on potatoes, which may be good for carbs to burn, and easy to grow apparently. Green beans for protein (I think they have protein?), Melons, and scavenge for trees like walnuts, cherry, etc. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
dragonvilla4	10. RE: Agriculture choices and details Oct 5 2010, 1:12 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 5 2010, 1:12 AM EDT " the fact that corn in its natural state before humanity started messing with it was a form of grass. Trippy huh?" WTF , that is very interesting Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	11. RE: Agriculture choices and details Oct 5 2010, 5:10 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 5 2010, 5:10 AM EDT "I personally wasn't too fond of growing corn because I used to visit my friend whose field was sold to a farmer that raised corn on it, so I know what you mean by high demand on them. Tomatoes, I don't know how "healthy" those are. I was thinking of crops that were specifically chosen for health. The other day I did some research on potatoes, which may be good for carbs to burn, and easy to grow apparently. Green beans for protein (I think they have protein?), Melons, and scavenge for trees like walnuts, cherry, etc." Tomatoes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato#Nutrition Also, don't think that potatoes are easy because you "just stick em in the ground and wait". They need the right temperatures, moisture and sunlight (yes, they have leaves too) and they can succumb to blight quite easily. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
dragonvilla4	12. RE: Agriculture choices and details Oct 7 2010, 10:37 PM EDT remember the Irish potato famine, just some fungus did all that so you should not depend so heavily on 1 crop especially a crop that is so easily to succumb to disease, have many different types of crops to me peanuts are good crops since they are supposed to help the soil anybody can give me some information on that please? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
timberrattler	13. RE: Agriculture choices and details Oct 8 2010, 7:44 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2010, 7:44 AM EDT " to me peanuts are good crops since they are supposed to help the soil anybody can give me some information on that please?" Peanuts are part of the bean family, thus a legume. Legumes return nitrogen to the ground. Nitrogen is a form of fertilize that heavy feeders like corn thrive on. Thats why old time farmers rotated crops. I sow my garden down in clover (also a legume) in the fall and till it under in the spring. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
duterfel	14. RE: Agriculture choices and details Oct 8 2010, 7:50 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2010, 7:50 AM EDT "Peanuts are part of the bean family, thus a legume. Legumes return nitrogen to the ground. Nitrogen is a form of fertilize that heavy feeders like corn thrive on. Thats why old time farmers rotated crops. I sow my garden down in clover (also a legume) in the fall and till it under in the spring." Tomatoes are a form of the plant known as the deadly Night Shade. Potatoes were totally poisionous to us at one point in time as well. Weird eh. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
OutlawJames	15. RE: Agriculture choices and details Oct 8 2010, 10:41 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2010, 10:44 AM EDT "You sir are magic. This is the first time I've heard of someone being able to turn wheat into oatmeal. You usually use oats. Thus the name "oat"meal. The next miracle is the ability to make corn. What materials go into your production of corn? I'm really interested because around here we've been wasting our time "growing" the dang stuff. Never knew you could just "make" it." snicker snicker Stiffling myself ...My question is " Is he using some kind of magic dust to do this"? Something else you missedabout corn Dragon, you mentioned making alcohol, but corn can be used as fuel, the stalks can be pressed for sap and boiled down for suryp, the stalks can be used a animal fodder.... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
demsmine	16. RE: Agriculture choices and details Oct 8 2010, 11:03 AM EDT "Tomatoes are a form of the plant known as the deadly Night Shade. Potatoes were totally poisionous to us at one point in time as well. Weird eh. " Potatoes are still poisonous, if eaten when left to turn green. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
dragonvilla4	17. RE: Agriculture choices and details Oct 8 2010, 8:11 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2010, 8:11 PM EDT just asking since you could make alcoholic beverages from a lot of things most notably Grapes, bananas, sugar cane, etc could alcohol be a useful trade resource i myself do not drink alcohol or smoke and despite me being 15 i haven't banged a chick yet, see not all of my generation are a bunch of retarded gangster sluts. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulred2	18. RE: Agriculture choices and details Oct 8 2010, 9:11 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2010, 9:11 PM EDT Don't want to encourage any stereotypes, but I'll be growing potatoes almost exclusively. here's why: -They're a staple food (plenty of carbohydrates) -they can be stored for very long periods of time. -they can be picked over a long period of time, and planted over a longer period of time ( no missing my chance to plant/pick a years harvest because I had to ward off an unexpected Zed surge on harvest month ) - they can be grown in very harsh conditions. - they're not a delicate crop, in that you don't need to be a botanist to grow them disease free. ( inb4 famine references. ) There are Cons, but i think the pros outweigh them. drawbacks: - they're not the easiest plant on the land, you'll have to rotate your fields - split your land into 4, and leave one quarter free of potatoes every 4th year. ( but you can plant beetroot or something in the field you're resting. ) - They're not the MOST nutritious of foods. but milk and potatoes will do you for quite some time. - eating them almost exclusively might be a bit boring, but hunger is a good sauce as my Dad always used to say. So, to break it down, year one, when ***** still not quite settled on the fan, I'm going to set up my land, and I'm going to plant it almost totally with potatoes. Now, because I plan on using the 3 cows available as dairy cows, I'll be growing grain to compliment their feed ( and keep the grain-store from running empty) as the pastures are decent, but not great and dairy cows are, according to my uncle; "grumpy, picky bastards" who consequently need good feed. and I'll be keeping a vegetable plot. That'll give me: plenty of carbs from potatoes. Fats from fish and milk protein from fish, milk, and potatoes. micro nutrients from the small veg plot. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
dragonvilla4	19. RE: Agriculture choices and details Oct 9 2010, 1:14 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 9 2010, 1:14 AM EDT I'm sticking with these things to survive off of, Wheat [ bread good for pastries] corn [ taste good but also i can get Ethanol from it to trade with] potatoes [a lot of carbs and fats, easy to grow] peanuts [taste good also good for the soil] Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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