"I'd rather have an accurate, reliable gun with 200 rounds that I can be fairly sure are going to make a mess of a man even if he's wearing body armour. having 1000 rounds is more likely to make you place yourself in harm's way because you think "I have enough ammunition to deal with this on my own", and having maybe 40 shotgun shells of various types and 50 or so bullets in your long range rifle would create an incentive to get back to your camp and get more gear than to fight them on your won. Lastly, if you are killed, your opponents will gain less ammunition from your body."

"ACtually, the long range stuff is what the Ruger Gunsite is for. It's a nice, ligtweight weapon designed for a scout role.

I agree on the noise of a .22 being far less significant than a 7.62 or 5.56, but the larger rounds have far more kinetic energy, and are more likely to deal severe damage to their target on impact, assuming that they don't over-penetrate."

"I'd say body armor is irrelevant, it's going to be extremely rare, and really the only people who will have it are the military."

"We don't have the money to stock it with highly expensive weapons, so for this scenario, we'll put a cap on $1000 cost per piece for firearms, and $100 cost per piece for melee. You must also consider that not everyone here is a firearms native (keep in mind our high teenager traffic), and therefore might not be able to operate and care for complex weapons efficiently (AR-15, etc.). You want a gun that you can basically say "This is here, that's there, ok, you're good to go."

What would you choose, ZSDW?

Rifle: (one only)

Pistol: (one only)

Shotgun: (one only)

Special-purpose firearms: (Any non-standard, niche-filling firearms, can choose more than one.)

Knife: (one only)

Additional melee weapons: (as many as you want)

{{{{EDIT: This is not a place to post your own, personal loadout. Please be so kind to actually read this post and follow the instructions in said post.}}}}"

"The idea is to make every single person a potential individual fighting unit. For example, if you are out on a scouting mission or long range patrol, it's possible you will get separated from the base. Also, it means everybody can be ready to bug out at any point if necessary.

And about the raiders I disagree, what makes you think a .22 would be useless against raiders? Especially if you use hollow points, getting shot will make anybody think twice about moving in on you, especially in the ost apocolypse, making medicin hard to come by and infections deadly. And a shot in the heart is a shot in the heart, same goes for a shot in the head.
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"For one we will disagree, agreed. lol

Now soldiers walk miles with a Level IIIA on with gear. Yes it's hot, heavy, bulky, and restrictive. But that doesn't mean they won't wear them or scavenge them. Plus for awhile they will still have even if limited transportation.
And there are a whole lot more people than you think with one form of body armor.
For some it's a addition to the "safe room". But others it is their alternative to the "safe room" either for cost or building restrictions.

And I will do head shots only and I mean only, when I ever come across a real Zed. So until then body shots will be taken when ever it is best. Head shots are harder to accomplish at any idea engagement range (mine)
And if a known body shot doesn't drop my attacker I will then move to other body parts
So counting on head shots for every threat isn't a realistic plan. Most raiders won't be alone and once they come under fire they will return it from what cover they can find. And they will have backup out of range of any head shooting skills most people have

I was trying to stay out of the 22LR debate. It will be a good last ditch/backup CQB gun
But once you fire upon a group of raiders (without vests) they will seek cover and fast. Now what? Your 22LR will not shoot through anything but the lightest cover. "

"LOL - There is another factor that just now occurs to me that we may be overlooking on the issue of arming the untrained masses, and that is morale.

Remember that those untrained masses, while they will likely have no knowledge or experience of firearms aside from what they've seen in video games and movies, may well have opinions of their own, even if those opinions are only based on said games and movies. Such media exposure will usually lead them to think that bigger is better, even in cases where it's not, and if you try to arm them with nothing but a "pansy assed" .22 as their one and only gun, you might find yourself with a revolt on your hands.

Now you have guns and they don't, so it's not like they can force you to arm them with something better, or with something that you don't have, but the issue might well come up nonetheless. Now they say that beggars can't be choosers, but the beggars don't often seem to abide by that particular line of reasoning, especially when their lives are at stake, and many people will feel cheated if you try to arm them with something that they feel is inadequate to defend themselves, especially if you plan for them to leave the safety of the walls and go out to wage a guerrilla style campaign. To them it would be like sending troops overseas and telling them that you're all out of grenades and M16's, but saying that you've got these great water balloons and Nerf Guns that they can use instead.

People have been pushed to the brink of giving up for a lot less."

"The solution to this is to get them to fire both barrels of a double-barrelled 10-gauge shotgun at once and then ask if they'd like to keep a big gun. Same goes for firing a big-bore hunting rifle whilst standing up.

I think that almost all of them would go back to the .22 rather quickly, especially after a demonstration of the terminal ballistics."

"lol Whiteo i'd love to see them fire an old 2 bore lol"