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Kisonu_Yuutatchi |
Women
Nov 5 2010, 3:32 AM EDT
here's a question to consider.Knowing that re-population may be necessary after the zombie hordes have all died or been killed off, couldn't women become a sort of "last resort" or "desperation" currency? i mean.. no group that has ANY women in it will want the women harmed or worse because then thats one less woman who could help repopulate. isn't it feasible that to a certain degree, women would become the most precious thing on the planet whether because of sex or the need to repopulate? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Carnack |
1. RE: Women
Nov 5 2010, 3:53 AM EDT
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They could but the person to suggest using them as currency would probably wind up with their nuts in a sack. It'll happen sure but it'll be restricted to groups who don't really care much about being decent (for the time) human beingsThat's kinda why you never hear of good human trafficers. The mentality kinda kills goodwill. Plus let's not forget one simple fact. If you are so desperate as to trade women for supplies they (the women) would be desperate enough to offer their company in exchange for holdings...for themselves. The middle men are always the first to get cut yes? You are the middle man. Better to be sold on your terms than someone else's yes? Do you find this valuable? |
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Kisonu_Yuutatchi |
2. RE: Women
Nov 5 2010, 3:58 AM EDT
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"They could but the person to suggest using them as currency would probably wind up with their nuts in a sack. It'll happen sure but it'll be restricted to groups who don't really care much about being decent (for the time) human beingsHow true. but.. eventually they would be the most precious commodity on the planet to anyone wishing to procreate.... i don't think it would last much longer than necessary for the reinstatement of humanity but... its still going to happen.. even today, sex is highest selling product in the world.. Do you find this valuable? |
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Carnack |
3. RE: Women
Nov 5 2010, 4:08 AM EDT
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"How true. but.. eventually they would be the most precious commodity on the planet to anyone wishing to procreate.... i don't think it would last much longer than necessary for the reinstatement of humanity but... its still going to happen.. even today, sex is highest selling product in the world.."There is no such thing as reinstating humanity. Humans have always formed groups. That's humanity. Plus what if (as can happen in childbirth) the woman dies? In all it's bad business and not realistic. Women don't work that way. Sex sells. Pregnancy is rarer. Mostly because of how long it takes. Simply put the settup would be...a very short-lived affair. There are lots of reasons as to why this idea wouldn't work well. Maybe on a small scale and even then very little would be required to mess it up. I personally can't see it working. Do you find this valuable? |
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Kisonu_Yuutatchi |
4. RE: Women
Nov 5 2010, 4:21 AM EDT
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I can see your point but think of it like this. civilization is going to completely dissolve when this happens. Most of everyone will be so unprepared that they just panic. Others will have a game plan but will not really be ready to use it. It'll be mass chaos. Yes humanity has always been in groups but do you think that every group that forms will have women in it? Some will and some won't, due to location, or even more simply, population loss due to the infection and/or the ensuing chaos. Some groups with women may offer their women for protection of the overall group. Remember, power is still power. Those that have it will offer some kind of protection for services and/or goods such as women to keep that power.. Pregnancy may take a while but no-one will want to see mankind die out. Yes, death can occur during pregnancy, but it's a necessary risk to take in order to procreate. Not only that, but procreation of those in power usually gives a greater chance of an heir to any power. Power wont just be given away to anyone BUT an heir, which requires procreation, and if possible, with the best woman possible. This in and of itself would require a search of some sort for a suitable mate. someone looking to continue a legacy of power wouldn't just mate with a woman who suffered from many complex birth defects or genetic issues. They will want the best they can get to give their heir the best chance possible.(btw, when i said reinstating humanity, i meant more like continental or even regional civilization with "civilization" being an organized group of people with a chosen leader and some form of governing person or persons.... a little mis-wording on my part.. sorry..) Do you find this valuable? |
DevilNuts |
5. RE: Women
Nov 5 2010, 4:38 AM EDT
"... the person to suggest using them as currency would probably wind up with their nuts in a sack...."Don't know about you, but mine are already in a sack.... I agree with Carnack though; human trafficking is prevalent because of sex, and prostitution as well. I very strongly doubt that people are going to be worried about repopulating the earth - this kind of thing tends to happen on its own, even when you aren't trying. "Life finds a way." - Dr. Ian Malcolm Do you find this valuable? |
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Kisonu_Yuutatchi |
6. RE: Women
Nov 5 2010, 4:43 AM EDT
"Don't know about you, but mine are already in a sack....ehh.. Who knows.. I guess we'll see right? Btw, best bloody online debate I've had in years.. lol and yes, id agree with DevilNuts on the Nuts thing,.. lol Do you find this valuable? |
brandon_a_boyer |
7. RE: Women
Nov 5 2010, 6:00 AM EDT
There is no doubt in my mind that rape/forced prostitution is going to happen. The scale/prevalence remains to be seen, but I wouldn't be surprised if you start to see it as a fairly common thing post zday. I have to disagree with Carnack on the repercussions, I think that the cultural norms surrounding that are going to fade away as stress gets to people. Some people will be more willing to rape and some people will be more willing to turn a blind eye.
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timberrattler |
8. RE: Women
Nov 5 2010, 7:50 AM EDT
"Don't know about you, but mine are already in a sack....LMFAO! Do you find this valuable? |
darthw |
9. RE: Women
Nov 5 2010, 8:00 AM EDT
Scenario time!You & your group of survivors are all made up of you, your friends & everyones families, you suggest selling someones sister/daughter/mother for food to survive, and suddenly you find out your entire plan has failed as you are now the one outside your settlement, or killed by one of your "friends". I will agree that women will be the most precious thing in the world after z-day, but I also believe they ARE the most precious thing in the world pre-zday. That does not mean in any way shape or form to sell them. Would you sell your X-Box today for 1 days worth of food? 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
LJ126 |
10. RE: Women
Nov 5 2010, 10:07 AM EDT
"Scenario time!I don't think an X-Box would be valued anywhere near a single days worth of food post Z-Day... Do you find this valuable? |
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Carnack |
11. RE: Women
Nov 5 2010, 10:44 AM EDT
"Scenario time!Hell no. It ain't worth it. I'd be more inclined to work for food. Labour is always a solid thing to barter with. BB: Crap hitting the fan won't suddenly make many people gung-ho to do this sort of thing or to let it slide. In a cohesive group the suggestion of doing that to another member (in general) won't be met well simply because the group has become a pseudo family unit. Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
12. RE: Women
Nov 5 2010, 12:14 PM EDT
"Hell no. It ain't worth it. I'd be more inclined to work for food. Labour is always a solid thing to barter with.I'm not suggesting so much that people would sell their group members into slavery, but you'll see groups that keep slaves. Do you find this valuable? |
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darthw |
13. RE: Women
Nov 5 2010, 12:26 PM EDT
"I don't think an X-Box would be valued anywhere near a single days worth of food post Z-Day..."I said "sell your X-Box today for 1 days worth of food?" implying that most peoples lives revolve around the thing today, maybe even give an example that most people could actually compare it to. It was not meant to imply that that electronics would be worth more than some fecal matter post-poc. Do you find this valuable? |
AlexHigginbotham |
14. RE: Women
Nov 5 2010, 12:34 PM EDT
My great great great great grandfather, Thomas Higginbotham, came to America as an Irish ship owner that got caught up in the slave trade in the late-ish 1700's.Some people learn from the mistakes of the people that came before them, so I'm just gonna go ahead and bow out of this one. Human trafficing isn't really my forte. Do you find this valuable? |
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Carnack |
15. RE: Women
Nov 5 2010, 12:35 PM EDT
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"I'm not suggesting so much that people would sell their group members into slavery, but you'll see groups that keep slaves."Oh of course. But of those who would they either have a low regard for human life or have a lot of crime and the Do X and Do Labour clause is active :P Darth: Again it isn't worth it. Labour still works better. It can be done repeatedly where as almost any object is one-use as a trade item. Objects should be kept back until you can't get goods with work. Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
16. RE: Women
Nov 5 2010, 12:55 PM EDT
I'm not saying everyone will do it, or that any member of this site will. But with the downfall of laws and the general system to enforce said laws, you'll see quite a bit of lawlessness, one of these things being slavery. Slavery occurs all over the earth today, even in this country, so it is not unreasonable to think it will be even more prevalent post zday.
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Jahadaz |
17. RE: Women
Nov 5 2010, 2:11 PM EDT
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I'm going to take this in a slightly different direction. This might be the most bizarre sense of entitlement since ofool. Seriously, why in the world is a woman's ability to repopulate that special? Until they can do it asexually I'm not sticking out my neck any further for a woman than I would for a man. Think about it, last time I checked the population was about 55/45 men to women (give or take). That is pretty close to even. Now unless you can explain to me why women are not as capable of surviving as men, I don't buy it. I think women are just as capable of surviving so I don't really see that changing to 95/5 anytime soon. Also, a couple of things to consider, I've already repopulated and honestly, I'm good. Don't really care about the future generations. That's their problem. But what about sex Jahadaz? Okay, you got me. If the end of the world comes around and I never get to have sex again I won't be exactly pleased. Wait a second! I've got hands and a really good imagination so I believe I just might find a way to survive if I'm lucky. And the people that can't find a way to survive without sex will most likely just take it. Why pay for something that can be had for free some might say. Sorry but sex, women, and procreation are pretty much at the bottom of my list when it comes to things that I'll be trying to find during zedpoc. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Carnack |
18. RE: Women
Nov 5 2010, 2:16 PM EDT
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"Seriously, why in the world is a woman's ability to repopulate that special?"Because a colony that has no women has no future. No one locked to that group. Plus this is after the zeds are gone. As to women not being as good as men consider that the majority of survival is mental. Knowledge helps that mentality. Now if this site is any indication very very few women actually seek to learn survival. You see very few women doing the survival thing in terms of self-reliance. That's a whole lot of people depending on luck. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Jahadaz |
19. RE: Women
Nov 5 2010, 2:21 PM EDT
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So it's more special than a man's part? Last time I checked that's a two way street. Seed and egg. Why does your colony have no women? Are you telling me that you think there will be significant changes in the population of our species? Specifically the male to female ratios? Why? Edit*- Dang, you edited yours while I was posting. lol Do you find this valuable? |
