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Jackpotjake |
Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 21 2010, 2:31 PM EST
Alternate• Pre Apocalypse: I Have the guns and will get the protection needed soon enough, and I am making a BOB soon enough. I have about 6-10 people in my party and we are all pretty capable people and ready for the hardships during the apocalypse. • Day one Alternate: Everything I said before wont change except if the roads are clogged and there is no way out of the city then we will head into the sewers for about 1 or 2 weeks. By then the city would have been bombed and we wont have to worry about being outside. The only problem is having zombies in the sewers but we will be able to dispatch them quite easily. • Week one alternate: Lets say the city has already been bombed because if it hasn’t we would obviously stay in the sewers. We would emerge and likely take a house over as our HQ and fortify it in the day if there isn’t many zombies around. The house will hopefully be on the outskirts of town if not completely out of it. • Week two: We will have to start building and hopefully will have survivors to come help. What I mean by help is if they look like raiders, highwaymen, or basically anyone who would try to kill us we will shoot on site. • Life after outbreak: Same as week two. Do you find this valuable?
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agentaaa |
1. RE: Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 22 2010, 9:53 AM EST
The sewers are deep, very cold, a place full of disease, and have no light. besides that, dangerous gas congregates in some sewers, which isnt anything you want to run into. bottom line, they are a bad place to go.
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Jackpotjake |
2. RE: Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 22 2010, 2:15 PM EST
"The sewers are deep, very cold, a place full of disease, and have no light. besides that, dangerous gas congregates in some sewers, which isnt anything you want to run into. bottom line, they are a bad place to go."true, do you have any suggestions on where to go that would be underground? It cant be a basement because the windows would just shatter if the city gets bombed and there would be no point then. Do you find this valuable? |
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AlexHigginbotham |
3. RE: Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 22 2010, 2:31 PM EST
Interesting ideas. I haven't really seen the sewer idea taken into serious consideration. I can think of a few problems with the sewers and was wondering what your plans for overcoming them are.1) Lack of light. I'm not %100 sure but I would assume the levels of methane gas in a city sewer are kind of high and I doubt using fire or combustables as a source of light would be a good idea. 2) Smell. I have a semi weak gag reflex for "poop" smells. I don't think I would make it long in a sewer. 3) Lack of escape routes. If you run into resistance anywhere, it will be a constant uphill battle trying to get out. 4) Bombing. I doubt the government will bomb anything in the event of an outbreak. They would most likely send in troops and armored vehicles to clean everything up, but if they did bomb the city, I could only imagine that a lot of the sewer systems would collapse. It happened in Great Britain on more than 1 occasion. People fled Nazi bombing runs by going into the sewers and eventually got crushed to death or stranded by debris and died of starvation/dehydration/suffocation. I don't think it is too bad for a temporary plan though. Way to use your imagination. Do you find this valuable? |
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Jackpotjake |
4. RE: Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 22 2010, 3:12 PM EST
1) Flash lights of course would probably be main source of light, and having one of the wind up flash light.2) I was thinking a gas mask would play an important role, but if we dont get those then we would have to build tolerance to smell i suppose. or nose plugs. 3) There is normally four way intersections in the sewers so there could be a high probability of escape or atleast a chance to. 4) I think the probability of the government bombing is likely because they would be frightened by the major cities and bomb them. Just look at when the government bombed Japan. if they collapsed then my party would be screwed, but i think that most sections of the sewers would hold. Yea this would be a temporary plan just for about a week or less. just matters how things work out. Do you find this valuable? |
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SGTGerman |
5. RE: Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 22 2010, 3:21 PM EST
"1) Flash lights of course would probably be main source of light, and having one of the wind up flash light.Respirators - 1. Do not last that long. 2. Have bad visibility (unless you can get hold of the newer ones). 3. Bad for communication. 4. Sense of smell is an important sense. "Plugging" your noses for long term would not be good for you. Do you find this valuable? |
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Jackpotjake |
6. RE: Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 22 2010, 3:26 PM EST
"Respirators -1) yea that is the problem that we are faced with. 2) My friend in the group has the newer ones 3) True 4) Also true thats why we will hopefully have enough masks. Do you find this valuable? |
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AlexHigginbotham |
7. RE: Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 22 2010, 3:32 PM EST
"Respirators -Depends. 3M painters/carbon fiber sanding respirators last about 8 hours while in an "unclean" environment. NATO gas mask canisters are good for about 48 hours in "unclean" air. I had to wear a gas mask for 26 hours once, and for the life of me I cannot remember if it filters out bad smells or not. Where is the relevance between bombing japan and one of our own cities? If we bombed one of our own cities then we lose all the buildings, survivors, and vegetation in the area. This adds multiple billions of dollars to the eventual cleanup cost when it doesn't even ensure that the city is cleared of infected. If we went in with vehicles that can't be easily damage by unarmed humans such as tanks, half tracks, etc. and take out the infected 1 by 1 we would be saving ourselves TONS of money and the chance of saving lives is MUCH greater. To use bombs we have to have living pilots, mechanics, electricity, fuel, etc. A lot more work goes into dropping a bomb than most people think. If our military is still that mobile and capable, I doubt we would be resorting to bombing out own cities. Do you find this valuable? |
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Jackpotjake |
8. RE: Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 22 2010, 3:38 PM EST
I just think that it would be possible that bombing would be one of the major ideas the government has when this happens. I agree they would most likely bring in vehicles first and try to save money, but what if that doest work? Then bombings would most likely take place. Im not saying bombs will happen, but it is definitly a factor to think about
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SGTGerman |
9. RE: Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 22 2010, 3:50 PM EST
"Depends. 3M painters/carbon fiber sanding respirators last about 8 hours while in an "unclean" environment. NATO gas mask canisters are good for about 48 hours in "unclean" air. I had to wear a gas mask for 26 hours once, and for the life of me I cannot remember if it filters out bad smells or not."Thanks for that Alex. I haven't done CBRN training since basic lol and I can't find my manuels haha. So, whats the standard issue respirator like? I swear ours lasted no longer than 2 hrs? I'll have to check. Do you find this valuable? |
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MedMan52 |
10. RE: Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 22 2010, 3:52 PM EST
"The sewers are deep, very cold, a place full of disease, and have no light. besides that, dangerous gas congregates in some sewers, which isnt anything you want to run into. bottom line, they are a bad place to go."I agree 100% with Agentaaa Do you find this valuable? |
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AlexHigginbotham |
11. RE: Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 22 2010, 5:33 PM EST
"So, whats the standard issue respirator like? I swear ours lasted no longer than 2 hrs? I'll have to check."As far as I know the US doesn't have a standard issue one. The only people who get one are ones who have jobs that require handling hazardous materials or sanding, etc on dangerous fibers. I had to sand and repair carbon fiber and fiberglass a lot in my job, so all of ours were privately ordered by our unit. The mask itself has nothing to do with how long the filters work, that all depends on which filter you use. Some of the filters were good upwards of days, but they didn't filter out a lot from the air. Some filters last less than 30 minutes, but they are the most thurough filters made. The problem I see is everyone buying cheap long lasting filters and it not even stopping the smell/virus from getting through the filter. Do you find this valuable? |
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EastCoaster9000 |
12. RE: Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 22 2010, 6:08 PM EST
Cities won't be bombed so soon.
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Jackpotjake |
13. RE: Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 22 2010, 6:14 PM EST
"Cities won't be bombed so soon."Cities will most likely be bombed pretty quickly if they do in fact get bombed. otherwise there is a bigger risk of infecting a larger population. But i do agree with Alex that the government would most likely send troops. Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
14. RE: Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 22 2010, 8:45 PM EST
Forget the risk of explosion for a second and run do some research. Methane build-up displaces oxygen, which you need to live.No point running into the sewers to die. For all the other issues with the sewers, breathability ranks number one on the reasons not to go down there. Do you find this valuable? |
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Jackpotjake |
15. RE: Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 22 2010, 10:37 PM EST
I agree now with all the comments that the sewers arent a very good place to go. Now i will revise and re-post. If anyone has any more comments please dont hesitate to tell me.
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agentaaa |
16. RE: Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 23 2010, 5:10 PM EST
"Alternateok then. Cities being bombed by their own governments are not something I think would happen. Its a waste of time and bad PR besides. at the very least, they would bomb one, see the results, and go from there(though this entire subject is pure conjecture). Dont count on survivors coming to help you, as one of our main rules (Don't count on owning anything you don't already have) applies just as much to people. Rather than grabbing a random house when the time comes, find a good position now, that you have knowledge of, that will hold up well enough to deal with these problems. How are you meeting up with these people in your party? besides guns, what do you have for supplies? Food and water are essential. Do you find this valuable? |
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Jackpotjake |
17. RE: Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 23 2010, 6:50 PM EST
"ok then.I have the group just im putting in figures of people joining or leaving. That is a good idea so i will scope some places out. We already have a designated meeting spot so that is taken care of. For supplies we are have enough food and water for 2 weeks, and we have most of the other supplies needed. Do you find this valuable? |
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7th.gate.of.hell |
18. RE: Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 23 2010, 6:50 PM EST
to be honest....once you step into those sewers every drip of water...every scurrying rat... every noise will make you jump, plus it is dark as hell and it smells like poop. my point is, that by the time you come out of the sewer you are gonna come out with a twisted ankle, covered with poop, tired and with warm urine running down your leg. WHATEVER YOU DO STAY THE HELL OUTA THERE!if you are trapped in the city try to find you way around by using back allies. if those dont work you could try to move along the rooftops. whatever you choose, you are gonna want to get the hell out of the city as fast as you can. Do you find this valuable? |
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Jackpotjake |
19. RE: Jackpotjake's Alternate Plan
Nov 23 2010, 6:54 PM EST
"to be honest....once you step into those sewers every drip of water...every scurrying rat... every noise will make you jump, plus it is dark as hell and it smells like poop. my point is, that by the time you come out of the sewer you are gonna come out with a twisted ankle, covered with poop, tired and with warm urine running down your leg. WHATEVER YOU DO STAY THE HELL OUTA THERE!That is very all very true. I have told my whole group of the comments on here and we decided unanimously to stay out of the sewers. Do you find this valuable? |