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Nov 29 2010, 10:05 PM EST
I think that building a mote of some kind would be good, if you have the right equipment, such as a backhoe or such. while a lot of people don't have these things, if you did, would it be worth building one. if a zombie stumbles into it and it is dug deep enough then wouldn't they drown. saves you the ammo/energy/chance of getting hurt.
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calicocidd |
1. RE: motes
Nov 30 2010, 9:45 AM EST
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A mote is very labor intensive first of all. You have to not only dig it but seal it, fill it and provide a replenish-able water supply. Not only that you have to find a way to cycle to water so it doesn’t become stagnant and to keep mosquitoes from breeding as they are filled with diseases now (list here http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/list_mosquitoborne.htm) what happens if the cause of zombism can be transmitted in the same way?
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MagnaGuard |
2. RE: motes
Nov 30 2010, 8:24 PM EST
Quite the issue faced in the middle ages but they solved it.You might be better putting up a palisade (wood, metal, or both) encompassing your compound or build the Medieval type castle wall of wood or stone. Both will involve quite a bit of materials and labor, the walls moreso than the palisade. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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burnthemdown |
3. RE: motes
Nov 30 2010, 8:45 PM EST
about the mote part, when my dad and i were putting electrical cables in the ground, we easily dun a 4-5 foot deep trench about 2-3 feet wide at a speed such that we had a 100 foot long trench is about 2 days. plus that had to be smooth. if it were a mote, it could be a little rougher, so it could be done even faster. maybe just a trench would help. if a zombie falls in it, it is unlikely that it will be able to just jump back out again. you could possible even put spikes in the bottom. and the dirt that you dig out could be put on the sides to add height to the side of the trench.on the topic of mosquitoes, if the mote were to be connected to a already running source of water, such as a spring, then it could be diverted then reconnected on the other side. that would keep the water running. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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4. RE: motes
Nov 30 2010, 8:53 PM EST
about walls, would a simple metal fence work? 4 foot high woven wire fencing, secured to wood posts would definitely hold back some zombies. plus the thinness of the wire means you could easily shoot or maybe stab through the fence. I like the idea of a palisade though. only problem is the fact that is isn't easy to see through wood. this could easily be solved by making a walkway near the top of it to stand and even shoot from.
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5. RE: motes
Nov 30 2010, 9:17 PM EST
seriously you guysMOAT it is spelled m-o-a-t 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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MagnaGuard |
6. RE: motes
Nov 30 2010, 10:50 PM EST
"seriously you guysHe IS right, it is spelled moat....unless you're building a motte-and-bailey, but that's something different entirely of which you use the dirt from the moat to build the bailey....and motte is the British spelling of moat...I think. Anyhow I still don't want to be caught dead on a continent, I'll take Hawaii. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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7. RE: motes
Dec 2 2010, 11:37 PM EST
You really don't need water, in fact, with zombies its better off if you don't have water because once they fall in, they're not getting out either way but with water, you're making them rot quicker and surrounding yourself with contaminated groundwater. I think people should check out Roman/Celtic style earth ramparts if you want the ideal defense with the minimum materials and effort. I would suggest a rough star configuration, providing you with two overlapping outer perimeters, and high angles for multiple firing angles. Then, dig a pit about 6-8 feet down, and pile the earth up on the inner side, forming an earthen wall. This should hold most zombies initially, even 'fast' zombies, especially if you fashion some sharpened logs and stick them out of the ground like a porcupiney battlement. The next task would be to create a second outer trench in a circle around the 'points' of the star rampart, this solidifies your 'double-perimeter,' allowing you time to be alerted if a horde is on the way before they're literally at your walls. If you can enclose enough space this way and have enough access to perennial plants (and manpower), you can potentially hole up like this indefinitely. Moreover, you can add more fortification by digging deeper and using clay or dirt to make any of a number of sturdier walls. Options for natural walls include: rammed earth tires, cob, adobe, stone, corkwood, etc. Adjust your construction plans according to the climate and soil conditions. In a post-zedpoc world, I would wager most people wouldn't be scavenging caterpillars or cement, but if you have a sustainable situation, you could potentially acquire these tools for faster/tougher construction as well. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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The_Supreme_idiot |
8. RE: motes
Jan 17 2011, 2:34 PM EST
Brits spell it moat as well. Motte is a defferent thing. Adn zombie defences shoiuld be over a large area, lots of layers, and waist height maximium. Only the final layer should be higher, adn then it should very high adn very substantial. Waist high fences, hedges and barricades, **** zombies. Too low to be a direct obstaacle, so they dont pound at them like a bnig wall is. it leaves their heads open to attacl, and trips the bastards. Their also easy for su to get over. Combining trenchs, to trip zombies, not terap, and you have an easy way to dealy and make any zombie a easy target. in horde attacks this defence is prioceless. throw in a string with bells on, and it also an alarm system.
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Shadow997 |
9. RE: motes
Jan 17 2011, 3:30 PM EST
I see a trench maybe in helping, but not soo much the water. After all, zombies won't "drown" anyway, they don't breathe...and after enough of them fall in, won't they just be able to climb out over top of each other anyway? I still think walls or fences are the best bet. For me, I have always wanted to secure a house that has one of those pull down ladders to the attic, so if you lose control downstairs, you have another out. Of course make sure the attic is stocked with enough supplies to last a week or two until you can get down or out from the roof and always have a second location in mind.
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10. RE: motes
Jan 17 2011, 3:39 PM EST
Moat = water surrounding a castleMotte = mound of earth on which a castle or fortress sits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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11. RE: motes
Jan 17 2011, 4:56 PM EST
"about walls, would a simple metal fence work? 4 foot high woven wire fencing, secured to wood posts would definitely hold back some zombies. plus the thinness of the wire means you could easily shoot or maybe stab through the fence. I like the idea of a palisade though. only problem is the fact that is isn't easy to see through wood. this could easily be solved by making a walkway near the top of it to stand and even shoot from. "...little higher than 4 feet....if i did i'd be thinking around 10-12 feet 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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12. RE: motes
Feb 4 2011, 2:13 AM EST
Zombies wouldn't likely have a high level of oxygen in their bodies, so they might drop straight down to the bottom and simply climb up the other side. When thinking of defense tactics, it's probably a good idea to consider the biology of your enemy. If a zombie could easily out maneuver a moat simply by doing what it does best, then it is really not worth all the time and effort to create a moat. If your bug in location is really this unsafe, then you need to seriously make another plan for leaving the location immediately after SHTF for your own safety. There's a lot of good plans on here on what to include in you BOB, I would highly suggest researching a few of them. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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burnthemdown |
13. RE: motes
Feb 22 2011, 7:50 PM EST
what I had in mind was simple livestock fencing. I wouldn't expect it to stop a horde, just to slow them down enough to be able to attack without as much risk.
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burnthemdown |
14. RE: motes
Feb 22 2011, 7:56 PM EST
"Zombies wouldn't likely have a high level of oxygen in their bodies, so they might drop straight down to the bottom and simply climb up the other side. When thinking of defense tactics, it's probably a good idea to consider the biology of your enemy.Previously mentioned was the idea of not having water in it. Even I can't climb up vertical dirt very easily, so I highly doubt a mindless zombie could possible do it. It would need to be wide to stop any raiders, but that can be solved in other ways. About the location, I would build a moat in the location that I would finally stay in, not just any old place. My strategy is to fortify my house, since I am on a hill. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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15. RE: motes
Mar 16 2011, 10:01 AM EDT
where do you get the monsters to swim around in the water? No one is afraid of a lil water. It has to have at least 1 dragon in it or something. A big carp maybe? Some hungry trout? Does the electric eel have to be AC or DC?
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16. RE: motes
Jun 20 2011, 12:36 PM EDT
"where do you get the monsters to swim around in the water? No one is afraid of a lil water. It has to have at least 1 dragon in it or something. A big carp maybe? Some hungry trout? Does the electric eel have to be AC or DC?"Yes my friend, but theuy are scared of drowning. Which is likely, as they will be trying to swim with a large amount of heavy gear on, as they will be attacking your fortress- which hgas quite considerable power due to the fact that you can spend time digging a moat. and of course the fact that guns, electronics and most tihngs dont go well with water. Zombies however will either walk straight through, float over, or get stuck at the bottom, in which case you have your moat monsters 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
PSIchoticPANDA |
17. RE: motes
Jun 21 2011, 11:15 PM EDT
It's a common misconception that moat's where dug to drown invading armies or to somehow keep soldiers from being able to cross, when in fact the main purpose of a moat is to make it so that when you try to tunnel under a castle you hit the moat and your tunnel fills with water and the men you have digging all drown. With that being said i don't see a moat being as effective on the undead as a large pit around your house/property consider what happens to the dead when in water the fill with water and then bloat and then they float to the surface, this would pose a large sanitary issue as you would have a ring of stagnant water and undead bodies, i don't want to have to clean that or live by it for that mater.
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PSIchoticPANDA |
18. RE: motes
Jun 21 2011, 11:21 PM EDT
I would consider making a Ha Ha style fence (talked about in the zombie survival guide if memory serves) can be very effective and if you double it with a fence on your side it could be a good obstacle for both the undead and the living.
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Noldavcor |
19. RE: motes
Jul 3 2011, 7:03 AM EDT
"I think that building a mote of some kind would be good, if you have the right equipment, such as a backhoe or such. while a lot of people don't have these things, if you did, would it be worth building one. if a zombie stumbles into it and it is dug deep enough then wouldn't they drown. saves you the ammo/energy/chance of getting hurt."I don't remember where I heard it but i'm pretty sure that zombies can't drown 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
