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JamesIkanov
JamesIkanov
My Survival Plan
Dec 11 2010, 5:34 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 11 2010, 5:36 PM EST
My survival plan is a bit new, but should work pretty well. basically, i live on an island with less than 12,000 people. the bridges we have to get to the mainland, and a nearby , larger island, are quite close to one another, easily defensible, and almost a mile long. their are several farms on our island, lots of food, a police station with several small arms. plus a hardware store, boats, and a large food bank. i have a minimal knowledge of explosives, and our local drug store has enough pure alcohol that in a sitch, that i could blow up both of our bridges. on top of this, we have a relatively large naval installation on that other island. basically, my plan is to take our school buses, and block of the bridges while organizing a large scale shelter, like our elementary school, which has a generator, and several sniper spots. we have water towers, and a lot of other necessary supplies, allowing us lots of time without leaving the island. if you have any suggestions, please give them. Do you find this valuable?    
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zombiekiller96
1. RE: My Survival Plan
Dec 11 2010, 5:36 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 11 2010, 5:36 PM EST
what about those things called zombies Do you find this valuable?    
Maricely
Maricely
2. RE: My Survival Plan
Dec 11 2010, 5:51 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 11 2010, 5:51 PM EST
Why would anyone listen to you? That's one of the things you have to consider. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
JamesIkanov
JamesIkanov
3. RE: My Survival Plan
Dec 12 2010, 2:41 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 12 2010, 2:41 PM EST
Well, for zombies, i guess i didn't`t mention that my parents happen to own a hand axe, a machete, several metal baseball bats,and shovels.

To be honest, I`m hoping that in the pandemonium, no one will care who they listen to, as long as they sound sane and informed, with a good idea. Do you find this valuable?    
Zombiesurvivalnut
Zombiesurvivalnut
4. RE: My Survival Plan
Dec 20 2010, 5:30 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 20 2010, 5:30 PM EST
Yes but what happens when HUMAN pirates attack your little island? 1  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
5. RE: My Survival Plan
Dec 20 2010, 5:58 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 20 2010, 5:58 PM EST
My concerns:

You say you have a minimal knowledge of explosives.

You say that you could use alcohol to blow up bridges.

Aside from the question of "what makes you think the authorities of the area (police, mayor, etc) will allow you to destroy infrastructure?", my big one would be how you intend to destroy the bridges. See, despite what you might have seen on Pirates of the Caribbean, alcohol doesn't really explode. That's why you can have cocktails ignited without blowing your face off. It burns, yes. But explodes, not so much.

Unless the bridges are wood, dry, and lack chemical treatment to prevent them burning, alcohol just won't do it. 4  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
6. RE: My Survival Plan
Dec 20 2010, 6:05 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 20 2010, 6:05 PM EST
"Well, for zombies, i guess i didn't`t mention that my parents happen to own a hand axe, a machete, several metal baseball bats,and shovels.

To be honest, I`m hoping that in the pandemonium, no one will care who they listen to, as long as they sound sane and informed, with a good idea. "
Hate to break it to you, but from what you have written, nobody will listen to a kid. It's how things go. The best action you can take is to talk about general Disaster Planning with your parents. Get them to be the ones with a plan. You won't get credit, but if it's a good plan, you survive.

That's the goal, right? 4  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
JamesIkanov
JamesIkanov
7. RE: My Survival Plan
Jan 9 2011, 12:44 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 12:44 PM EST
Well, the alcohol would more or less just be used to make the bridges gigantic burning infernos. plus, the gas station might yield something usefully explosive.
on the off side, i wouldn`t really be asking permission anyway. plus, this is not the vodka level alcohol, like a a second hand beer store. this is like, 99% alcohol. what i`m really hoping for is to just knock out section large enough that you can`t jump it, but could cross with a ladder of some sort. it was more of a gimmick idea any way. as for "HUMAN PIRATES", we don`t exactly show up on the map. and even then it would be pirates/raiders VS. 10,000 pissed off islanders with guns. and on the off chance that the Molotov cocktails fail, i could still Jerry rig some thing using supplies of the mainland/ larger island. there is home depot over there with a welding section and at least twenty gallons of paint thinner and Denatured alcohol, and with that navy base i mentioned, comes a pretty decent sized armory, i`m sure. so, we`re basically set on all fronts, but i guess the big issue would be that it would take some work to get organized, as we`re stuck between the mainland and our much larger neighbor island. basically, this plan involves making our island secure and then organizing groups out to grab better and bigger supplies and guns. Do you find this valuable?    

EastCoaster9000
8. RE: My Survival Plan
Jan 9 2011, 1:07 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 1:07 PM EST
God I hate when kids argue that their plan will still work even though we tell them obvious flaws. You have to be willing to change your plan.
I mean, unless you have the worst wooden bridges in the country, alcohol is not going to blow them up. Depending on the size, you would need demolition charges. Alcohol doesn't blow up, it ignites. Burning a steel bridge won't blow it up. Blocking them with busses seems better, but then again, people will be trying to get off the island regardless. Plus no one will listen to you, they will probably listen to authorities. Your best bet is not to help everyone else, but to help yourself. Does it matter if the whole island can help each other? Your focus should be on surviving with your family. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
9. RE: My Survival Plan
Jan 9 2011, 1:16 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 1:16 PM EST
"Well, the alcohol would more or less just be used to make the bridges gigantic burning infernos."
Nope. Large wooden structures such as houses and bridges have fire-treated timber. They might burn, but they won't collapse.

Look at any burned out house with the walls still standing, and the roof timbers are there too. Because the fire treatment is designed to stop them collapsing on those who might be inside. Bridges have had cars purposely set on fire with gasoline whilst in the middle of the bridge, and the bridge stays up.

Also, alcohol doesn't actually burn well. The liquid won't ignite, because there is no oxygen. The only thing that burns are the vapours. Tiny flames, not enough to take a large structure. There needs to be another fuel source to get a good fire going. If you have gasoline, why waste the alcohol? It really won't help the fire burn any hotter, brighter or longer. Do you find this valuable?    
P0LaND
P0LaND
10. RE: My Survival Plan
Jan 9 2011, 1:20 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 1:22 PM EST
"God I hate when kids argue that their plan will still work even though we tell them obvious flaws. You have to be willing to change your plan.
I mean, unless you have the worst wooden bridges in the country, alcohol is not going to blow them up. Depending on the size, you would need demolition charges. Alcohol doesn't blow up, it ignites. Burning a steel bridge won't blow it up. Blocking them with busses seems better, but then again, people will be trying to get off the island regardless. Plus no one will listen to you, they will probably listen to authorities. Your best bet is not to help everyone else, but to help yourself. Does it matter if the whole island can help each other? Your focus should be on surviving with your family."
Yuppers. You don't need to worry about unifying the entire island. If those who decide to stay survive, then I believe the unification will begin to happen on it's own, something like a colony. Everyone is more or less going to be looking out for themselves, so I would say the more you prepare for the survival of you and your family, the better your chances. No worries, mate. It's nice that you feel so led to unify and defend your entire island if SHTF, but focus on all the specifics of how you're going to survive. If you really dig deep enough into the all the nit-picks of surviving in a disastrous time and area, you'll find that will take enough of your time. (EDIT: And money, haha) 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
11. RE: My Survival Plan
Jan 9 2011, 1:20 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 1:20 PM EST
"on the off side, i wouldn`t really be asking permission anyway."
Then someone will stop you. You are a CHILD. Your parents and the authorities WILL be concerned with your safety and your whereabouts.

You won't be breaking into the pharmacy for alcohol, you won't be raiding the small arms locker of the police station, you won't be driving the school bus and you won't be burning any bridges.

Forget Home Depot, forget the navy base,forget organising other people. You are 14. Make a plan that involves just you and your family, with things you can actually get your hands on and accomplish. Do you find this valuable?    
JamesIkanov
JamesIkanov
12. RE: My Survival Plan
Jan 9 2011, 3:18 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 3:18 PM EST
I`m not fourteen dude. I`m 13, and I`m not saying I`m going to drop everything and go out and blow up a bridge and get myself killed. and just because i`m i kid doesn`t mean i`m and idiot, a common misconception these days. Do you find this valuable?    
JamesIkanov
JamesIkanov
13. RE: My Survival Plan
Jan 9 2011, 3:33 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 3:33 PM EST
sorry, missed a lot of all that. you bring up a bunch of decent points though. yes, the alcohol couldn't actually bring down the bridge in general, but it could at least ignite the cars all-ready on it, and incinerate just about anything that tried to cross, human or other wise. the point is to make the bridge impassable, and that doesn`t necessarily entail destroying it. alcohol is really more or less a back up plan anyway. another one I`ve been trying not to spread around to keep peoples hands on their arms and not in pieces is a couple of water bottles filled with water and those MRE heater packs with a lit sparkler attached. seeing as how those heaters emit hydrogen gas when wet, I don`t think i need to spell out what happens next.

P.S: the reason i want to get rid of this bridge so badly is because it`s just under a mile and connects the island to the nearest major population center, justifying it`s destruction.

PPS: i said i`d take suggestions, not crap. not trying to be rude, but age doesn`t have much to do with it for me.

PPPS: the bridges are steel and concrete, but one`s relatively old. thats why i mostly just want to create a "Burn zone", and just let it torch any thing that tries to walk through. Do you find this valuable?    
P0LaND
P0LaND
14. RE: My Survival Plan
Jan 9 2011, 5:59 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 5:59 PM EST
The things most people say on here are meant well, don't be mistaken. If someone is cutting down your idea because they say it won't work, and they have reasoning behind saying it won't work, as is demonstrated in this case, then chances are...it won't work. Simply denying the statements, and/or telling people that they're just spitting crap isn't going to help anyone at all. This is my suggestion to you.

Age does matter. I know it doesn't seem like it does to you, but that is because you are the younger one. See it from my perspective. I'm only 21. If I were living on this island when SHTF, and a 13 year old starts shouting in the streets about getting gasoline and alcohol...well I just wouldn't really notice. I'd be taking care of those closest to me and myself, or listening to the police, who would activate the local emergency protocol. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
15. RE: My Survival Plan
Jan 9 2011, 7:07 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 7:07 PM EST
"just because i`m i kid doesn`t mean i`m and idiot, a common misconception these days."
Did I say that?

What I did say was "Then someone will stop you. You are a CHILD. Your parents and the authorities WILL be concerned with your safety and your whereabouts."

You will not have free reign to do what you want. Especially at a time of crisis.

I was guessing your age. And really, 13 and 14? No difference. Hit the big milestones and you have some semblance of control over your own life. 16-18-21-25. 4  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
16. RE: My Survival Plan
Jan 9 2011, 7:08 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 7:08 PM EST
"P.S: the reason i want to get rid of this bridge so badly is because it`s just under a mile and connects the island to the nearest major population center, justifying it`s destruction."
The reasoning is sound. However, you will not be able to accomplish this, nor suggest it to anyone and have it taken seriously. This is because of your age. Deal with this fact. 4  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
17. RE: My Survival Plan
Jan 9 2011, 7:15 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 7:15 PM EST
"PPS: i said i`d take suggestions, not crap. not trying to be rude, but age doesn`t have much to do with it for me."
Not giving you crap. Emphasising that yes, your age matters. Your plan will not be put into action because you are unable to carry this out. You cannot carry this out because of your age.

Make a plan you can enact due to your age. As you get older, you can amend it. But plan for the resources and capabilities you have now.

The only addendum would be a long-range plan, such as your BOL. But even then, you have no real idea on what your future occupation will be, and as such what your earning potential, and hence disposable income will be.

Plan what you can do now. That would be making a BOB, and talking your parents into investing in some "Disaster Prevention" kits (BOB, stockpile, etc)

Use that latest round of disasters such as floods in Australia, civil unrest in Arizona, blizzards, to suggest simple starts, such as stockpiling extra food and water. "Remember last year when it snowed really hard? What if it happens again?" "FEMA suggests having an emergency kit. Do we have one?"

If you want to prove how smart and adult you are, talk to your parents as one. 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
18. RE: My Survival Plan
Jan 9 2011, 7:17 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 7:17 PM EST
"PPPS: the bridges are steel and concrete, but one`s relatively old. thats why i mostly just want to create a "Burn zone", and just let it torch any thing that tries to walk through."
Fire+zombie=FireZombie. That's not good for anyone. Walking corpse that torches everything it touches? Why is that fun?

No explosives, no fire. There is a reason pyrotechnicians and demolitions crew get trained and certified. Get older, get trained. Then you can put it in your plan. 5  out of 5 found this valuable. Do you?    
chitoryu12
chitoryu12
19. RE: My Survival Plan
Jan 9 2011, 7:22 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 7:22 PM EST
We actually were discussing burning alcohol at my d20 Modern game today. One of my buddies would stuff a half-full bottle of isopropyl alcohol with cotton balls and set the cotton on fire to create a low heat, long burning flame. We're considering using alcohol as a possible torch fuel for outside gaming and camping because of the long burn time.

Other than that, alcohol will only burn enough to light a flammable material immediately next to it on fire. If you put Grey's little isopropyl concoction on a piece of wood used for bridges you'd end up with a puddle of flaming plastic on a wooden beam. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
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