"I should think not. It would just seem that they leave the improvised business to the cloak and dagger alphabet soup named agencies (FBI CIA DIA) and would just give premade charges to their men who are heading into an area with a clearly defined objective."

"You weren't taught nearly enough. Particularly about vinegar.

Seriously, anyone who is thinking about using explosives NEEDS proper training. The quote proves this. The "SF members" (whoever the hell they are) did not teach you properly. Therefore you are a danger to yourself and others."

"All right look, I'm sick of this cr@p. The point of this thread was to point people interested in explosives for post z-day use in the right direction, and steer them clear of idiots like those in the anarchist cookbook. instead, this spiraled into an argument about why anyone who touches explosives without years of training is a complete F#cking moron. which is still total ********. this wasn't supposed to condemn explosives, but rather warn people about the dangers of having no Fvcking clue what there doing, and the risks that are entailed with that. So please, STFU and get back to the point of this thread, of GTFO."

"WRONG! you don't need specialized training , even though you it's probably for the best if you do get it at some point. all you really need is common sense and a fairly decent knowledge of chemistry. as long as you don't mix chemicals at random, and store them properly, you're fine. and unless you have at least hmm, a few ounces of flash powder, improperly stored, in an outer room of a house, there's not much risk. And it won't truly explode unless confined. IE, you'd basically have to TRY to get yourself blown up. unless of course you're screwing with death-mixes. but that's a whole nother story."

"Another great reason to avoid this kind of discussion, particularly methods would be to keep this site open. All survivalist sites are likely monitored for just this type of material which while legal to discuss strictly for educational reasons once taken out of context becomes intent, aiding or abetting a crime. Not to mention a likely charge for conspiracy. If you know what you are doing then good for you but I would refrain from "enlightening" anyone else particularly through open forums on the internet."

"Perhaps so, but at the same time there has been a lot of sites being taken offline because they shared a server with another site that is under investigation. Perhaps paranoid I will admit but I still don't think it's a good idea to discuss such topics on open forum."

"Final post on this. The risk is not just physical injury:

SOME EXPLOSIVES LAWS IN CALIFORNIA

1. A misdemeanor is punishable by up to a year of confinement in the county jail. A felony is punishable by a year or more in the State Prison. You can no longer be in possession of firearms, hold public office or vote if you are convicted of a felony.

2. A person who is convicted of an offense involving an explosive device is not eligible for probation. The judge must sentence him to serve time in jail.

3. An M-80 can be considered to be an explosive device and possession of an M-80 can be a felony.

4. It is a felony to possess or explode a container by the use of expanding gas (example: vinegar and baking soda or a CO2 device) {a simple rule of thumb is that if it explodes, it is probably illegal}

5. It is a felony to possess or explode any explosive device. (M-80s, or any explosive device that can cause serious injury or property damage)

6. It is a felony to possess the components of an explosive device (container, explosive filler, means of initiating and exploding)

So, by doing what you are doing in California, you are risking prison, a criminal record and losing the ability to own guns or vote. Other states might vary, but I'm guessing they won't do so by very much."

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By the way, I have to ask. WTF does hubris mean?"