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humanroach |
meeting and assessing other survivors
Dec 15 2010, 12:39 PM EST
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when meeting fellow survivors you have to be careful, so you dont get rolled by some thugs/raiders/bandits etc. so i figured out a sollution, it has some buggs in it (pardon the pun) but i think we can work it out. it is definately a great starting point.pick a location that gives you the tactical advantage when meeting someone new. (easy escape, clear view so you can have someone with a rifle to snipe them if they get tricky etc,.) then post flyers or signs around the area that say something like "im humanroach, if you are looking for a fellow survivor, meet me at (insert location) the first baptist church @ noon everyday. i will be waiting. wait for me at the back door" you already have something like a baby monitor hidden in the bushes so you can listen to them also your backup will be able to know if things are going south when you are talking with them. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?
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humanroach |
1. RE: meeting and assessing other people
Dec 15 2010, 12:43 PM EST
i havent thought this through completely yet, im still trying to figure out if there are some weaknesses and how to remedy them. for example: what if they are thinking ahead and have a sniper posted somewhere so they can shoot you. maybe you wait inside the church and talk through a window.
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BigLoki |
2. RE: meeting and assessing other people
Dec 15 2010, 1:00 PM EST
meeting new people/groups in a potentially hostile environment is always tricky. Announcing exactly when you will be back is taking away most of the advantages you have by picking the location, they would have the time to assess the area, and likely do exactly the same as you plan to do. Maybe leave notes and a means for them to leave a note back for starters. Use some sort of signal to show that there is a new message, like a stake up or down, or a painted rock in a certain location, ect.This would allow you to assess how many, where they are coming from/going to under cover until you decide to make contact or not. By not announcing when you will be back to meet them, or check their message right away, even if the are looking to scout you in the same manner, most will likely tire of waiting for you to show fairly quickly. This too is a flawed process, but as you said, it's a beginning. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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3. RE: meeting and assessing other people
Dec 15 2010, 1:07 PM EST
Best case scenario: You know about them long before they are aware you are there, and are able to observe the person/group while they think they are un-observed and have fewer inhibitions. Maybe even set a test up... Some manufactured scenario that would test wether you like the kind of response they give. Perhaps an ambush setup, with a honeypot that you can protect. Or even the propsed meeting like you setup, but watch what they do from a distance first... Really however you do it, there are certain things to look out for, and take nothing a stranger says at face value, (hell only believe about half of what trusted sources give you ) Some signs of untrustworthy folks: --Watch for craven attitudes amongst the new group, that is a sign of cowardice( and cowards are dangerous, they always attack from behind when your guard is down) --Watch the looks they give any females in your group (for weeks if the initial encouter goes well... with out law enforcement and consequences, the sociopaths will be out in full force. -- watch for shuffling feet and fidgety hands, signs of both dis-honesty and drug addiction -- Snooping (can be good or bad) CAN be a sign that someone is lookingto fill hiis pack and bolt at the first opportunity... or a sign of intelligence and caution to be continued. Do you find this valuable? |
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4. RE: meeting and assessing other people
Dec 15 2010, 1:18 PM EST
what im going for is a plan for meeting others, that allows me to have control over the meeting. it things go south, i want to have control. i want to have control over where, when basically as much as i cani believe that if i have all the control, not only will it keep me safe, it also gives me power in negotiations and such. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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BigLoki |
5. RE: meeting and assessing other people
Dec 15 2010, 1:31 PM EST
That shouldn't be too difficult, if the group you are looking at id a small group of stragglers. To me, I have no real interest in joining up with such a group, so they would have to be in the position to approach me. Might sound "stuck-up" but it's still the way it is. If they aren't intelligent, or careful enough not to give me the control you're seeking, then I have no great desire to have them. Not to say I would leave them to their own fates, but I wouldn't actively pursue them.I myself would be more interested in finding a situation that is either beneficial to both myself AND them if they see the opportunity, or so tactically horrible, that there is NO advantage for either, thus leveling the playing field again so to speak. Anyone who would walk willingly into a situation where they are completely at my mercy isn't a welcomed addition to my group, if I'm explaining that without sounding like a total prick... I'd be more interested in those that have the intelligence to spot the situation, and shy away from it. Just walking into it displays either A) Ignorance, which is unacceptable B) Desperation, which means me and mine would end up having to support them rather than it being mutually beneficial C) No understanding of tactics, or danger assessment, which means they could get one of mine killed if they are making the decisions at any point. I'm all for helping, but not at the cost of those that I already have with me. Or maybe I'm reading too much into what you said about controlling the situation...lol 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: meeting and assessing other people
Dec 15 2010, 4:49 PM EST
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"Roacho-sapien: what im going for is a plan for meeting others, that allows me to have control over the meeting. it things go south, i want to have control. i want to have control over where, when basically as much as i can1. The problem is that no template for meetings like this that will cover every situation. There too many variable in such a situation to provide a plan up front. The safest way is probably what BigLoki said.... A dead drop(no pun intended) pen pal set up would be better up front . BigLoki: there is one option you forget D) Superior numbers and HumInt give them an advantage over you that you are un-aware of. This is the scariest situation about any form of apocalypse planning, nothing about the newcomers can be taken at face value. A homeless waif could turn out to be a scout for IrishHitMan... A seemingly thoughtful, intelligent and useful person can turn out to be a murderer, or worse. Focus on how to spot a threat, there is no cookie cutter answer for you. The best you can hope for is a SOP on meetings that cover the basics and an outline on how to adjust based on circumstance. Meetings, negotiations, and assessment are another form of war, one that businessmen(or women) and lawyers often study and train at for years to even become good at, let alone master. Literally, both Sun-Tzu's "Art of War" and Musashi's " Book of Five Rings" both have become required reading for the successful businessman 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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7. RE: meeting and assessing other survivors
Dec 15 2010, 8:07 PM EST
When meeting people up front you should have others and be heavily armed to discourage any potential raid and as always you should check for bites. Questions and inspections should be done such as what skill do they have and always have people positioned all over the area such as sharpshooters.
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Abu_Fulan |
8. RE: meeting and assessing other survivors
Dec 15 2010, 8:28 PM EST
Building on what BigLoki said earlier about visual signals, I think the two most important parts of the contact process are: A. Choosing a signal location that puts the strangers at a tactical disadvantage, and B. Choosing a signal location from which the visual signal will be visible from a long distance. My idea is leaving a large flag and a sign at a church near my BOL. The sign will instuct strangers to hang the flag from the steeple of the church if they want to contact me. I will be able to check the steeple from a safe distance of, I don't know, a mile, with the help of binos. When I see the flag I can decide if I'm in a good position to deal with strangers, and if so, then I will approach cautiously to get an idea of who I'm dealing with (how many, weapons, equipment, etc.). 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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9. RE: meeting and assessing other people
Dec 17 2010, 6:04 PM EST
"Best case scenario: You know about them long before they are aware you are there, and are able to observe the person/group while they think they are un-observed and have fewer inhibitions.Dont forget Fidgety Hands/Shakey hands shows Canabalism.. MIGHT STILL BE HUMAN.. But Canabalism still exists... 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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10. RE: meeting and assessing other survivors
Dec 17 2010, 6:06 PM EST
One thing you need to keep in heart is... No matter how cute! HOW INNOCENT!... How honest some one looks, you better be ready to kill them.
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11. RE: meeting and assessing other survivors
Dec 17 2010, 6:16 PM EST
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...*Smiles at you from the bushes outside your window then slinks away to go make himself appear cute and innocent on the internet.* =^_^=... 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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sithmobias1 |
12. RE: meeting and assessing other survivors
Jan 15 2011, 12:19 AM EST
I truthfully think that some of the 500 things Evil Overlords would do eviloverlord.com applies pretty well in this situation. Anyone/Group you are thinking of assimilating into your own group should be put through a, forgive me for sounding like a complete jerk, but they should be put through a live combat situation based on the size and armament of the group and should not be expected. This gains you precious combat, tactical, and even social knowledge of their group that you can use to rate them to determine chance of assimilation and determine how useful they COULD be, you don't want people draining resources that are not being generated and give them to losers that don't do anything to progress the groups survival and overall survival of humanity. You must also always remember procreation, just because the guys are completely worthless does not make the women such (for women the roles would just be reversed).
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13. RE: meeting and assessing other survivors
Jan 15 2011, 5:04 AM EST
"when meeting fellow survivors you have to be careful, so you dont get rolled by some thugs/raiders/bandits etc. so i figured out a sollution, it has some buggs in it (pardon the pun) but i think we can work it out. it is definately a great starting point.This is why the Rendezvous and Eveacuation points section was created. Read this page http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/Rendezvous+and+Evacuation+points Do you find this valuable? |
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14. RE: meeting and assessing other survivors
Jan 15 2011, 7:16 PM EST
I think that we should all agree that, yes larger groups give more protection, but a larger group=larger swarm of Zeds at your door day-n-night tryin' to score points for the un-Afterlife. We should begin gathering a larger group around 5 or so years into the War, as it will take a bit of time to gather them, and that will be when ammo will start to run low and Zombie fighting will start to die down also.
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15. RE: meeting and assessing other survivors
Jan 15 2011, 7:35 PM EST
"when meeting fellow survivors you have to be careful, so you dont get rolled by some thugs/raiders/bandits etc. so i figured out a sollution, it has some buggs in it (pardon the pun) but i think we can work it out. it is definately a great starting point.I'll just tell you, I would hesitate to meet up with someone who doesn't want *me* to try anything, but has things such as a sniper and a bug planted at the RVE. It's a two-way street, man. Give them *some* ease of mind. And really, they shouldn't want to kill you. You're in a meet-up area, and they should be there because they want to be safe with you. If they kill you, they now don't know where the base is, just so they could take whatever you had on you. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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16. RE: meeting and assessing other survivors
Jan 15 2011, 8:41 PM EST
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As a good friend of mine once said "...how many people are in the world, google says: around 7075308000.lets say that 95 percent of them die and 80 of them got infected… that is… 5377234080. Zombies are… Yes,Dead and dead people do what… Decay and that takes around lets say in the best Zombie conditions(Dry warm) about 10 years plus Killing by the “plused.” in 10 years seeing a Zombie would be like seeing a Bigfoot in the U.S. or Mexico. Few people would die after the mass panic, so new Zombies are out, and I do not think Zombies “Do IT”(unless you got them Funkay Zombies). Zombies are not that smart, and if I can make a parallel, Dodos stupid, Zombies Stupid.(Hint Hint) so a human population if it could make the first 1 year they could make the next 1000(thank you, Thank you, long live the *censored for Florida's Racism.) Now some stupid people would die (*Florida's exesive meanness) but that is need to better make a “Pulsed” people that can live in a Post-zombie world. thank you for you time and attention, can I return the favour..." -Agent Florida on the idea of hords about 60 days ago. now I bet you are wondering how does this deal with Meeting other survivors? everything... The post-zombie world is a mean scary place, and at friendly Agent Wash's friendly outpost all are welcome, because if a few people can liberate a nation with an workshop in a cemetary then tons can make an army to combat and defend it. ammo isn't that hard to make(see the Seven days war). If you deligate then large groups, as those of you who advocated small groups would find out, you also have people to speak to and if you befriend someone, I want to see them betray you, the group would have them. -Agent Washington 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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17. RE: meeting and assessing other survivors
Jan 15 2011, 9:58 PM EST
I thoroughly enjoyed the response, we should all keep a nice amount of caution and remember that it is a possibility that Zeds don't rot and that shooting theire head has any effect, they could be the "Mulch me before I kill you with a finger" type of Zeds which would very much suck for humanity. I noticed that the Numbers did NOT include potential animal, or even worse insect or smaller Zeds. Granted if there were Zombie dogs, we would be generally screwed anyways...Basically, unless it is only Human Zeds that are slow-medium speed and weak-average strength and senses we are screwed. I also believe that to counter most adverse effects of large groups, a 4-6 group should be the standard until Zeds start to decrease and we are ready to restart Humanity. And I believe that if we enter "Funkay Zombies" we will all probably just laugh at them and kill them faster and more efficiently. Groups should also consist of people that are completely competent, hopefully the Zeds will cull the flock of incompetent fools that are liable to get someone killed. Don't take trigger happy morons either, they dwindle resources and are usually not good for anything but spamming bullets.
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18. RE: meeting and assessing other survivors
Jan 15 2011, 10:16 PM EST
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I see how I forgot Anything other than Human Zed-heads. I do believe that Compententce and Sanity will quickly become Loose terms. Compententce is need, and insubordination will not be tolerated.
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19. RE: meeting and assessing other survivors
Jan 18 2011, 6:39 PM EST
"I see how I forgot Anything other than Human Zed-heads. I do believe that Compententce and Sanity will quickly become Loose terms. Compententce is need, and insubordination will not be tolerated."that's a good point, I myself will probably go insane and hunt them like I hunt Elites. But we should try to get fairly competent people, I don't believe morons should be accepted 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |