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MsGigi |
Issue with Cans
Dec 26 2010, 5:14 PM EST
Theres a slight issue though with having cans; They'll melt and eventually burn away. I know this from experience when me and some friends used to use cans to burn "stuff" on. Eventually, after using the can a few times, the can wears down and it begins to melt or even burn away as it seemed. You don't want to try and boil water in a can only to find theres a hole burned into it and all that water goes bye-bye.I'm looking around and so far, I've found that there are these watter bottles that are reusable made entirely out of metal (a recycled metal and its thick to insulate and hold up). They're small and not only can be used to boil the water, but you can cap the water later to hold it for later use. 13 out of 13 found this valuable. Do you?
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MsGigi |
1. RE: Issue with Cans
Dec 26 2010, 5:38 PM EST
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You can find many of them on Google and Amazon and the 1 liter ones start at ten and go up depending on the maker (Swiss, PMCI, etc). They have steel ones and Aluminum. Stainless steel (such is the one that i like best) melts at between 1400 and 1480 degrees F where as aluminum melts at 660.37 degrees F and considering that a standard campfire can get to up to 800 degrees F, I'd stick with the stainless steel. Either way, they're both better than tin which melts at a small 449.4 degrees F.
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John_234 |
2. RE: Issue with Cans
Dec 26 2010, 6:53 PM EST
I like my canteen cup and esbit stove, personally, mess kit if I have it on hand. A narrow-necked bottle isn't too good for cooking.
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Whybother08 |
3. RE: Issue with Cans
Dec 26 2010, 7:22 PM EST
I got a canteen cup, as well. I've tried boiling water on it several times (just to try it out, not that I actually needed it), and there is no warping or discoloring. Pretty good since I have the canteen.
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LJ126 |
4. RE: Issue with Cans
Dec 26 2010, 8:36 PM EST
Uhhh... you don't just put a can on the fire, or directly on coals! That'll make it melt. You place a couple of rocks (preferably flat) in the fire and heat them up, the place the can on THAT. Or, an alternative method - heat up a bunch of small rocks in the fire, then drop them into the water you want boiled. Might take a while, but this works too. Do you find this valuable? |
JunkCollector |
5. RE: Issue with Cans
Dec 26 2010, 9:45 PM EST
Cans will work for an emergency, but I also have a small camp set in my B.O.B.. My kit has a 1.5 quart pan, 2 metal cup/bowl, 2 metal plates, and a top that is a frying pan. They all stack together and fasten together. Do you find this valuable? |
humanroach |
6. RE: Issue with Cans
Dec 26 2010, 9:46 PM EST
". Stainless steel (such is the one that i like best) melts at between 1400 and 1480 degrees F where as aluminum melts at 660.37 degrees F and considering that a standard campfire can get to up to 800 degrees F, I'd stick with the stainless steel. Either way, they're both better than tin which melts at a small 449.4 degrees F. "there is absolutely no reason that you should have a simple campfire that would melt aluminum. i dont know what the melting temp is of those metals, or the average campfire, but i have boiled water and cooked in aluminum pots, canteens, and other things and havent ruined any of them. all you need is a small campfire, not a bonfire Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
7. RE: Issue with Cans
Dec 27 2010, 2:02 AM EST
"there is absolutely no reason that you should have a simple campfire that would melt aluminum. i dont know what the melting temp is of those metals, or the average campfire, but i have boiled water and cooked in aluminum pots, canteens, and other things and havent ruined any of them.Wasn't the saying "White man builds big fire, stands back. Indian builds little fire, huddles close" or my favorite: "Indian builds small fire and stays warm, white man builds large fire and stays warm collecting firewood." Do you find this valuable? |
jdi35 |
8. RE: Issue with Cans
Dec 27 2010, 4:07 AM EST
"Wasn't the saying "White man builds big fire, stands back. Indian builds little fire, huddles close" or my favorite: "Indian builds small fire and stays warm, white man builds large fire and stays warm collecting firewood.""unless your getting a foot of snow dumped on your head......anyone else having that particular problem? Do you find this valuable? |
cas13f |
9. RE: Issue with Cans
Dec 27 2010, 4:44 AM EST
"unless your getting a foot of snow dumped on your head......anyone else having that particular problem?"Average daily temperature here's -20 or below. Taking into consideration the sun is only up about an hour, two hours a day. *ALASKA* (Roughly 15 minutes north of North Pole, literally) Do you find this valuable? |
PedroAsani |
10. RE: Issue with Cans
Dec 27 2010, 7:18 AM EST
"*ALASKA* (Roughly 15 minutes north of North Pole, literally)"Sorry, but if you are 15 minutes from the North Pole, by definition that is south. It's the only direction it can be. Do you find this valuable? |
Mr_Jumbles |
11. RE: Issue with Cans
Dec 27 2010, 7:23 AM EST
"Sorry, but if you are 15 minutes from the North Pole, by definition that is south. It's the only direction it can be."unless you went south then backtracked north cuz you got lost and btw 15 minutes by what kind of travel? swimming? boat? plane? helicopter? kayak? surfing on a turtle? Do you find this valuable? |
Filadog |
12. RE: Issue with Cans
Dec 27 2010, 7:29 AM EST
You can boil water in a paper cup as long as you don't put it right in the fire the water absobs the heat and boils.I like the old WWII Stainless steel canteens and cups and what I use in my BOB gear Do you find this valuable? |
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cas13f |
13. RE: Issue with Cans
Dec 27 2010, 10:04 AM EST
"Sorry, but if you are 15 minutes from the North Pole, by definition that is south. It's the only direction it can be."Notice there is no "the" before North Pole. There is a city named North Pole about 15 minutes south of Fairbanks. Do you find this valuable? |
AlexHigginbotham |
14. RE: Issue with Cans
Dec 27 2010, 10:21 AM EST
Saw someone boil water with hot stones and a boonie style hat. I think it was Les Stroud....
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DLOWTHEMAD |
15. RE: Issue with Cans
Dec 27 2010, 11:58 AM EST
"Saw someone boil water with hot stones and a boonie style hat. I think it was Les Stroud...."I know that couple on man, woman, wild did in a piece of kelp they had formed a vessel out of, just drop in the stones and it boiled away... If you keep it out of the direct flames, you can use a camelback container(i do not recommend), plastic water bottle, aluminum cans, etc... Just about anything with a melting point above say 300 degrees, the water only has t o reach 212f to boil. The thing is taking your time, not rushing... unless you are using purpose built cookware. To me the real question, is what is leeching into your water when you use improvised water boiling vessels... auminum cans heated are gonna put aluminum in your water... plastic will put partially burned hydrocarbons (fossil fuels) in your water when heated... unless you are dehydrated and hae no other choice, anything put a steel camp cooking device could be hazardous to your health. Do you find this valuable? |
