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ironhand	$10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 8 2011, 7:31 AM EST \| Post edited: Jan 8 2011, 7:31 AM EST This month's purchases were: First Aid Kit items - Antibacterial Soap (bar) $1.00, Bandaids (60 count) $1.00, Aspirin (100 count) $1.00, Soap Dish $1.00, Duct Tape (large roll) $5.00, "Tea Light" Candles (10 pack) $1.00 This month's scrounged items are misc stuff you got for Christmas and don't need or want. Ugly clothes, gloves, hats, etc that you get. Misc survival goodies like hand warms, chapstick, hand sanitizer, etc. All are usable for your survival kit and are pretty much random to the individual, so I'll just post what I pitch into my kit to give you some ideas. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: survival kit cheap budget
White76Knight	1. RE: $10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 8 2011, 8:36 AM EST \| Post edited: Jan 8 2011, 9:23 AM EST Well as it happened, everything I bought for Novembers list accidentally got mixed up and wrapped with the Christmas prezzies, so there was all of that. LOL. The soap, band-aids, duct tape and candles have been in the bag all along, so a soap dish and bottle of Aspirin (and ibuprofen, in my case) are all I need to buy. As for Miscellaneous Stocking Stuffer things though, I also got: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- two "Shake and Light" battery-free flashlights one two-pack of 12 hour chemical glow-stick snap lights - http://www.coghlanscampinggear.com/cosnli.html several pairs of homemade hand-knit wool socks and one pair of wool "thumb and finger" mitts (thanks grandma) one pair of light cotton gloves one 5-LED light that clips onto the brim of your hat one electronic game call with interchangeable sound cards for different animals (came with card for moose) one ratchet screwdriver with interchangeable heads one mini laser pointer with a goose-neck LED light (I dunno, it could be useful for something) two cans of "camp heat" cooking fuel (I think its like sterno) - http://www.coghlanscampinggear.com/cocahe.html one collapsible umbrella one Coghlans Four Function Whistle - http://www.coghlanscampinggear.com/cofofuwh.html one stainless "retractable blade" type utility knife ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- All in all, I think I did pretty well. Of course, the fact that every time someone asked me what I wanted for Christmas I answered "any kind of outdoorsy, camping, survival type stuff" probably didn't hurt. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
White76Knight	2. RE: $10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 8 2011, 9:46 AM EST \| Post edited: Jan 8 2011, 9:51 AM EST A thought concerning First Aid. On the page you have written "All the cool medical goodies are USELESS to the untrained person!" This may be true, but in a survival situation, especially an After the SHTF situation, more qualified help may not be forthcoming, either now or later. Regardless of what training you have or don't have, you may very well be it. Now I have taken a general First Aid course, the minimum that anyone serious about survival should have in my opinion, but that in no way makes me Qualified Medical Personnel. If myself or someone in my group is injured though, and general first aid is all we've got, then general first aid is all we've got. So if a more extensive injury occurs, you can't very well just sit there and let it bleed or let the person die without at least TRYING to do something about it, whether you are trained or not. I couldn't anyway. You may be forced into a situation where you just have to wing it and hope for the best and, in such a case, treating these more extensive wounds with aspirin and band-aids isn't gonna cut it. So if you have to improvise a medical treatment, to "wing it" as it were, doing so with a decent selection of "medical goodies" could mean the difference between success and failure. Thoughts? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SteelRain	3. RE: $10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 8 2011, 1:54 PM EST \| Post edited: Jan 8 2011, 1:54 PM EST Just bought my first piece for my BOB. Got a pair of mechanic gloves at Home Depot for about $10. It's the only thing I bought, but a good pair of gloves is crucial to keeping your hands safe. Scrounged: My Christmas gifts were almost all survival related. I got a Ka-bar, a thick chamois long sleeve shirt, a survival radio, and a 4" LED flashlight. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Markthegenius	4. RE: $10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 8 2011, 2:42 PM EST \| Post edited: Jan 8 2011, 2:42 PM EST A couple of weeks ago i bought the following from ebay for around £7, including postage 36 pater purification tablets 26 waxed "storm proof" matches "pro force commando" cheap wire toothed saw Magnesium flint stick Regarding medical supplies being useless to the untrained, I disagree. Basic first aid is just that- basic. I'm a student nurse and everything i've been taught as first aid is pretty straight forward, i don't think i actually learned anything new (other than that these days medical staff are told NOT to use their mouth in CPR if the mask/bag isnt available- in my opinion, it's health and safety getting in the way of common sense). Of course a lot of equipment is going to be useless to you, such as needles, if you dont know how to use it. All im saying is that some of it's relatively simple to figure out. Knowing what medication to use is another major thing- but most meds come with detailed information. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ironhand	5. RE: $10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 9 2011, 9:36 AM EST \| Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 9:36 AM EST WK, I don't disagree with you on any particular point you make here : ) Getting First Aid Training is as important as learning to shoot. And you are correct - IF you have that training, ANY medical supplies will help you. I also agree that you don't just stand there and let someone bleed. (Although that may depend on who it is...LOL!) My main point here is this is a Survival Kit and not a Medical Kit. We could spend ALL our $120 on medical stuff and have a good Medical Kit (and maybe some should start one of those ; ) ) But that's not my focus for this.... My focus is a basic First Aid Kit that anyone can use and would cover MOST of what the average person could handle doing in an emergency. HOWEVER, let's for a moment take this "UP" a level for a moment (not as a challenge to you personally, but merely a learning conversation for discussion for everyone).... Here's the situation... If YOU (for everyone) have a large gash on the leg, say a long cut about 8" and depth is varying from 1/2" to 1" at lower end..... For your answer, let's please START with that you have only HAVE the Soap, Bandaids and Aspirin with you. The "Common Sense" Medic (for lack of a better term) would do..........? What to you improvise? What do you need? (BE SPECIFIC.) We'll open this up to everyone and let's talk about it : ) IF you want to give us a brief (quick) background on your medical or first aid training, that's cool - but let's get to the question of how YOU would handle this. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SteelRain	6. RE: $10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 9 2011, 9:50 AM EST \| Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 9:50 AM EST I got all of my first aid training from the Marines in boot camp. I absorbed it pretty well and I think I have the skills to stop someone from bleeding out and keeping the wound relatively clean until it can be properly dressed. A wound that size is not going to be covered by band-aids most likely and I definitely wouldn't use the entire supply on that. I would heat up some water and use the soap and water to clean the wound as good as possible without starting the bleeding again. Then I'd take a clean shirt, wrap it around the exposed area, and secure it with duct tape. Tearing the shirt is a waste of a good shirt! The point of the shirt is to keep the wound from getting dirty. You COULD apply the duct tape directly to the wound in an emergency, but that would only tear open the gash even more when you remove it. Use aspirin for any pain relief. If the wounded gets a fever from a possible infection, the aspirin should keep the fever down. Now to hunt down some needle, thread, and motrin... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Markthegenius	7. RE: $10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 9 2011, 9:59 AM EST \| Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 9:59 AM EST "Here's the situation... If YOU (for everyone) have a large gash on the leg, say a long cut about 8" and depth is varying from 1/2" to 1" at lower end..... For your answer, let's please START with that you have only HAVE the Soap, Bandaids and Aspirin with you. The "Common Sense" Medic (for lack of a better term) would do..........? What to you improvise? What do you need? (BE SPECIFIC.) We'll open this up to everyone and let's talk about it : ) IF you want to give us a brief (quick) background on your medical or first aid training, that's cool - but let's get to the question of how YOU would handle this. " What i have: wound cleaning and dressing equipment. Clean the wound out as best i could, with anti-septic spraw and alcohol wipes, dress it with a dressing and bandage it tightly, taping it down. I havn't been trained how to stitch or use those sticky strips that you can use to hold a wound together, but if somebodys leg was gushing blood and i had the strips i might give it a go. Otherwise i'd just dress it tightly, and either give the guy some legal meds, such as tremadol, or much more effective illegal (the way i procure it, anyway) meds, such as ketamine. If i had a gash that size on my leg and some amateur wanted to stitch it, i'd want some ket! If i didn't have any Faid equipment on me, then i'd just have to improvise with anything clean. If there was nothing realy clean around i'd just wrap it in a t-shirt to stop the bleeding unti we got to some medical supplies. Keeping a wound clean isn't much good if the patient bleeds to death, wounds can be cleaned afterwards if you're quick enough to catch any infection from taking hold. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ironhand	8. RE: $10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 9 2011, 10:13 AM EST "I got all of my first aid training from the Marines in boot camp. I absorbed it pretty well and I think I have the skills to stop someone from bleeding out and keeping the wound relatively clean until it can be properly dressed. A wound that size is not going to be covered by band-aids most likely and I definitely wouldn't use the entire supply on that. I would heat up some water and use the soap and water to clean the wound as good as possible without starting the bleeding again. Then I'd take a clean shirt, wrap it around the exposed area, and secure it with duct tape. Tearing the shirt is a waste of a good shirt! The point of the shirt is to keep the wound from getting dirty. You COULD apply the duct tape directly to the wound in an emergency, but that would only tear open the gash even more when you remove it. Use aspirin for any pain relief. If the wounded gets a fever from a possible infection, the aspirin should keep the fever down. Now to hunt down some needle, thread, and motrin..." Nice one, SteelRain! That's what we're looking for! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
White76Knight	9. RE: $10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 9 2011, 10:45 AM EST "SteelRain wrote: Now to hunt down some needle, thread, and motrin... Markthegenius wrote: I havn't been trained how to stitch or use those sticky strips that you can use to hold a wound together, but if somebodys leg was gushing blood and i had the strips i might give it a go." Now this is my thought precisely. I don't have the proper training to stitch a wound either, but if the wound was bad enough that I knew it needed it and if I knew that nobody else was likely to come along and do the job, damn straight I'd give it a go. I'd have no other choice but give it a go. If I had proper medical sutures, even if I wasn't trained to use them, it would help me help the patient. Now no doubt, if I'm not trained it's probably gonna suck for the patient, but if I'm forced to have at them with an ordinary needle and thread from my sewing kit it's probably gonna suck a lot more. Now if I don't have either, then I too would make with the duct tape and a clean shirt. My point is that if I'm already stepping outside of my training and improvising a treatment, then it's bound to be a lot easier on both me and the patient if I don't have to improvise the materials too. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
JunkCollector	10. RE: $10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 9 2011, 11:28 AM EST \| Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 11:30 AM EST I purchased a few things for my BOB yesterday, at the dollar store. 5 pack 12 hour emergency candles 6 piece package of large watch batteries for my hat clip light. plastic water bottle small bottle of iodine small can of WD-40 3 packs of gum scarf Any one can sign up and take the Red Cross first aid and CPR classes for free. I have taken the class 3 times in the last 10 years. There are also several step by step books available for first aid. So learning basic first aid isn't difficult, at any age, and with little to no finances. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SteelRain	11. RE: $10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 9 2011, 11:53 AM EST "I purchased a few things for my BOB yesterday, at the dollar store. 5 pack 12 hour emergency candles 6 piece package of large watch batteries for my hat clip light. plastic water bottle small bottle of iodine small can of WD-40 3 packs of gum scarf Any one can sign up and take the Red Cross first aid and CPR classes for free. I have taken the class 3 times in the last 10 years. There are also several step by step books available for first aid. So learning basic first aid isn't difficult, at any age, and with little to no finances. " That is the plan for the wife and I this year. I need a refresher on my CPR since the changes and she has never had the training. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
White76Knight	12. RE: $10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 9 2011, 1:32 PM EST \| Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 1:32 PM EST "Any one can sign up and take the Red Cross first aid and CPR classes for free. I have taken the class 3 times in the last 10 years. There are also several step by step books available for first aid. So learning basic first aid isn't difficult, at any age, and with little to no finances. " I don't know about where y'all are from, but where I live Red Cross First Aid and CPR classes are available, but they aren't free. Nor are the equivalent classes offered by St John Ambulance. The last time I took a CPR class it cost me $60 bucks and that was with my employer paying half. The books aren't necessarily cheap either, at least not the good ones. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Survivor15	13. RE: $10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 9 2011, 1:51 PM EST \| Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 1:53 PM EST I just finished my semester of Emergency First Responder at school. It isn't Red Cross though, it's American Heart Association. Better, because it goes more in depth over a much longer time frame. Heh, my Healthcare Provider card is shiny and laminated. =) I plan on taking an EMT course in college as soon as possible. It just happens to be my same teacher too =) My brother has taken the Red Cross course a couple times in the past few years. Good stuff to be learned there. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Survivor15	14. RE: $10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 9 2011, 8:08 PM EST \| Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 8:08 PM EST "Just bought my first piece for my BOB. Got a pair of mechanic gloves at Home Depot for about $10. It's the only thing I bought, but a good pair of gloves is crucial to keeping your hands safe. Scrounged: My Christmas gifts were almost all survival related. I got a Ka-bar, a thick chamois long sleeve shirt, a survival radio, and a 4" LED flashlight." I wouldn't have spent so much on gloves. The $2 leather ones are just as good. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Kurita3025	15. RE: $10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 9 2011, 10:20 PM EST First-aid is very important. It's well worth finding out if there are first-aid and CPR classes available in your area. Even if it costs uwords of $100 it's worth it. Can you really put a price on saving a loved one or team member that can also save your life or maybe provide a much needed service in your group? There are many books out there that give basic firs-aid. If I recall correctly, the SAS survival guide has first-aid in it and that's just a good book to have in your BOB. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
jdi35	16. RE: $10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 10 2011, 3:33 AM EST "Now this is my thought precisely. I don't have the proper training to stitch a wound either, but if the wound was bad enough that I knew it needed it and if I knew that nobody else was likely to come along and do the job, damn straight I'd give it a go. I'd have no other choice but give it a go. If I had proper medical sutures, even if I wasn't trained to use them, it would help me help the patient. Now no doubt, if I'm not trained it's probably gonna suck for the patient, but if I'm forced to have at them with an ordinary needle and thread from my sewing kit it's probably gonna suck a lot more. Now if I don't have either, then I too would make with the duct tape and a clean shirt. My point is that if I'm already stepping outside of my training and improvising a treatment, then it's bound to be a lot easier on both me and the patient if I don't have to improvise the materials too." pretty much i'd do the same thing as SteelRain and/or you WK if i didn't have sutures available, which i happen to have. and your right, even without proper training, having the right materials on hand for a patch job make it much easier. like the old saying goes " its better to have it and not need it, then it is to need it and not have it" btw: most of my first aid training comes from USAF basic training, though i wanna get into an EMT class one of these days. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SteelRain	17. RE: $10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 10 2011, 7:53 AM EST "I wouldn't have spent so much on gloves. The $2 leather ones are just as good." Meh. I tried on every pair and those mechanic's gloves were the only ones I liked. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
thatdude1122	18. RE: $10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 11 2011, 9:27 AM EST " btw: most of my first aid training comes from USAF basic training, though i wanna get into an EMT class one of these days." EMT classes are great, the cover a lot more than basic response, especially any basic army-sponsored training with the FM21-11 kit. However, you don't need to pay a lot for certain classes; things like basic CPR and red cross courses run as low as $5 a day for like a week of instructional hands-on training. however, the biggest problem is the timing. I would highly advise anyone to make the time in their day, no matter what. even today, these courses are important in the here and now, and will be increadibly important if anything big happens. i'm taking the red cross one for the 2nd time, and its just so important Post reply Do you find this valuable?
JunkCollector	19. RE: $10 x 12 Survival Kit: January 2011 Jan 11 2011, 3:28 PM EST After a trip to WalMart I purchased: $ .99 fish stringer $2.99 sun screen $2.99 hand lotion (tube) $2.99 collapsible 5 gallon water can. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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