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ArielT
ArielT
Paramedic Training
Jan 15 2011, 6:13 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 15 2011, 6:13 AM EST
So, I have some free time to expend and I am strongly considering taking some EMS training at my local community college. Honestly, I have no particular intention to go into it as a profession, but I wanted to be equipped in case of any disasters. So, I posit questions directly at anyone who has undergone training (perhaps military types will know as well.) I figured I would at least run through a semester of the basic EMS training. At what point will diminishing returns kick in here for me? Would I gain much actual usable knowledge from going for a paramedic certification or am I unlikely to be able to retain skills / have my hands on proper equipment for the more advanced stuff? How often will I need to retrain skills to hope to use them in the future?

Having talked to someone I know who is becoming a nurse and is married to a paramedic firefighter, she was convinced nurses would be better equipped in a crisis situation because they have a broader understanding of medications and procedures than a paramedic. Would seeking some nurse training be better than going the EMS / paramedic route?
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VagabondVance
VagabondVance
1. RE: Paramedic Training
Jan 15 2011, 10:56 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 15 2011, 10:56 AM EST
"Would seeking some nurse training be better than going the EMS / paramedic route?"
Short answer: Yes, nurses know how to perform better long term care for their patients.
Long answer: Nursing also has a lot to deal with clerical work and how to personally interact with the family, staff, and patients. So you might have to invest more into nursing than EMT, but the payoff is much greater. It all depends on your current level of resources and what you desire to do with them.
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JustinBrill
2. RE: Paramedic Training
Nov 30 2011, 2:52 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 30 2011, 2:52 AM EST
Are you talking about EMT or Paramedic? EMT would take slightly longer than a semester and Medic would take 2 plus years to achieve. Do you find this valuable?    
Ironback
Ironback
3. RE: Paramedic Training
Dec 1 2011, 2:39 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 1 2011, 2:39 AM EST
EMT can be done in 5 weeks. The DHS has put classes through in three. And those DHS classes have some of the highest passing scores in the NREMT data base. How do I know this? Because I use to teach at the school.

If you are looking for skills for the Appoc, then I would say being a nurse will be close to useless. Medications have an expiraqtion date. And I truly doubt there will be any long term treatment facilities. Those will most likely be overrun.

You say that you do not plan on going into it as a proff. Then why spend two years in nursing school? Go the EMT route. If you find it to your liking maybe then you can aspire to become a Paramedic.

I've got just over 24 years of active duty under my belt now. I've been around the world and I know some of those nurses out there hate Independent Duty Corpsmen (IDC). Why? Because we can order test, X-rays, diagnose and treat our pts. all w/o a doctor looking over our shoulders. We do this over the horizon on a daily basis. A nurse will never do any of those things. But we are trained and given the skills to do it.

Vagabond, I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. I do not think the payoff is greater by going the nursing route. This last deployment I delt with compound fractures, an amputation and a ton of soft tissure injuries.

Just my .02.

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Ironback
ps Sorry I haven't written lately. I just got back from a prolonged deployment.
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DEVILDOGMP
DEVILDOGMP
4. RE: Paramedic Training
Dec 1 2011, 6:08 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 1 2011, 6:08 AM EST
" EMT can be done in 5 weeks. The DHS has put classes through in three. And those DHS classes have some of the highest passing scores in the NREMT data base. How do I know this? Because I use to teach at the school.

If you are looking for skills for the Appoc, then I would say being a nurse will be close to useless. Medications have an expiraqtion date. And I truly doubt there will be any long term treatment facilities. Those will most likely be overrun.

You say that you do not plan on going into it as a proff. Then why spend two years in nursing school? Go the EMT route. If you find it to your liking maybe then you can aspire to become a Paramedic.

I've got just over 24 years of active duty under my belt now. I've been around the world and I know some of those nurses out there hate Independent Duty Corpsmen (IDC). Why? Because we can order test, X-rays, diagnose and treat our pts. all w/o a doctor looking over our shoulders. We do this over the horizon on a daily basis. A nurse will never do any of those things. But we are trained and given the skills to do it.

Vagabond, I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. I do not think the payoff is greater by going the nursing route. This last deployment I delt with compound fractures, an amputation and a ton of soft tissure injuries.

Just my .02.

v/r
Ironback
ps Sorry I haven't written lately. I just got back from a prolonged deployment."
Good to have you back devil dog.

Boy I would hate to be a paramedic on zday lol.
The training is definately worth it in the long run.
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JunkCollector
JunkCollector
5. RE: Paramedic Training
Dec 1 2011, 10:40 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 1 2011, 10:40 AM EST
This is something I have been thinking about also, especially since I am graduating next month with three associate degrees (business management, accounting, and general studies). I hardly opened a book in the last three years and will have a 3.8 GPA.

I thought about taking EMT classes and some criminal justice courses. Not to go into either but I like to learn and attend classes. I need something other than business that will challenge me mentally.

I think that the knowledge would be helpful in an emergency situation. And it never hurts to broaden ones mind, and push oneself to become mentally stronger.
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JustinBrill
6. RE: Paramedic Training
Dec 1 2011, 12:27 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 1 2011, 12:27 PM EST
Yeah, here is a more opinionated message than my last.

EMT's know little. They are very very useful and can save lives with an ambulance and all the right equipment. It would not take all that long to become one and in the practical world if your looking for something to do on the side (which is the vibe I got from you) then this is perfect.

Paramedics and Nurses have to know a lot of information, a wide portion of it being forgotten after the courses are finished and they become real medics/nurses in the field. Reading ECGs, knowing what meds to give in certain type of irregular heart rhythms, shock, or even how to handle Anaphylactic emergencies or more complicated things like accessing a central venous catheter would all be fairly useless in the zombie world. Sure knowing good CPR would be fun and all, but you have bigger problems.

I think if you want survival med skills you need to find a different course other than the classic EMS route. But thats also not the vibe im getting from you.

If you want to be a beneficial member to your local area in the chance of a large emergency being a EMT is the way to go. Its the cheapest and fastest. I wont say easiest because they are all difficult in certain ways. EMT's do more than medical things. You would learn about the EMS system, how the chain of command works, and be able to help keep things moving and be that extra man power needed in a local disaster.

If you want to be a medical person in a post apocalyptic world, go be a medical volunteer in some place like Africa! Haha you will learn how to handle medical emergencies with little equipment fairly fast. Im still considering doing something like that myself.
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Ironback
Ironback
7. RE: Paramedic Training
Dec 1 2011, 5:47 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 1 2011, 5:47 PM EST
No need to go all the way to Africa. Try working the swing shift one weekend in Oakland! We wear body armor when we go out. : ) Do you find this valuable?    
CyprusBill
CyprusBill
8. RE: Paramedic Training
Dec 1 2011, 8:42 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 1 2011, 8:42 PM EST
If you're not planning on being a career paramedic, I wouldn't invest the time it would take. In the course I'm taking (currently an EMT-Basic myself) it would take about 2+ years to get your EMT cert. followed by your Paramedic cert. And considering the clinical experience hours (student hours spent doing field work on an ambulance or in a hospital ER learning) you're looking at about 700 hours of "working for free".
Beyond all that, a paramedic is licensed to practice medicine by proxy of a "Medical Director", basically a doctor who works in close tandem with your particular EMS service, and extends HIS medical license to that organization. As a proxy agent of that doctor's license, you're allowed to carry and administer medication, up to and including narcotics (prescription-only meds such as Morphine, Versed, Fentanyl, etc) Unless you're employed by an agency with a doctor's licensing, you wouldn't have access to those kinds of meds, or even be legally allowed to give them, despite the fact that you've been trained in the proper dosages and whatall.
You also wouldn't have access to the kinds of equipment that make it worthwhile to have had paramedic training, EKG devices, IV setups, medicines, etc.
Getting certified to be an EMT is a different matter altogether, and I wouldn't try to talk anyone out of acquiring the training, if you have the time. At my particular college, it was a 1 semester class session, followed by about 60 or so clinical hours, which, when broken down into 8 or 12 hour shifts, go by before you know it. Not too bad at all, and certainly not as time intensive as a paramedic certification.
The training you'd receive would be ideal for basic handling of most emergency situations, car wrecks, chokings, basic gunshot wound care, etc. A, B, C, - Airway, Breathing, and Circulation. Continued...
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CyprusBill
CyprusBill
9. RE: Paramedic Training
Dec 1 2011, 8:46 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 1 2011, 8:46 PM EST
You'd become CPR certified, which I think EVERYONE should be, especially if they have kids.
Even still, if you rolled up to a car wreck, you'd only be expected to serve in the capacity of a "First Responder", the same as most volunteer fire departments, regardless if they did or didn't have EMT certification. But you would be trained for that as well.
I applaud and encourage your desire to further your pre-hospital medical knowledge. It might become handy some day, and you never know, you might decide to make a career out of it after all. Good luck!
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JustinBrill
10. RE: Paramedic Training
Dec 3 2011, 12:11 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2011, 12:11 AM EST
Its CAB now lol. I hate it. ABC was so much better sounding and rolled off the tongue. Only way I can remember CAB is cause its my mothers initials.

Also agree, CPR should be learned by everyone. Even if its simple as "Just to compressions only till someone shows up" lol.

But yeah what you said is what I was also trying to say. EMT is good, medic and nursing is a little much unless its your career choice.
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ItsMrManCub
ItsMrManCub
11. RE: Paramedic Training
Dec 3 2011, 12:16 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2011, 12:18 AM EST
"EMT is good, medic and nursing is a little much unless its your career choice. "
Career nurse here...

Honestly both teach you skills that would be very valuable to have, not just in the apoc, but in your daily life as well. However in today's job market you will make more money AND have more job opportunities as a nurse.
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DEVILDOGMP
DEVILDOGMP
12. RE: Paramedic Training
Dec 3 2011, 12:49 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2011, 12:49 AM EST
"No need to go all the way to Africa. Try working the swing shift one weekend in Oakland! We wear body armor when we go out. : )"
....holy crap...
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John_234
John_234
13. RE: Paramedic Training
Dec 3 2011, 4:47 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2011, 4:47 AM EST
"Yeah, here is a more opinionated message than my last.

EMT's know little. They are very very useful and can save lives with an ambulance and all the right equipment. It would not take all that long to become one and in the practical world if your looking for something to do on the side (which is the vibe I got from you) then this is perfect.

Paramedics and Nurses have to know a lot of information, a wide portion of it being forgotten after the courses are finished and they become real medics/nurses in the field. Reading ECGs, knowing what meds to give in certain type of irregular heart rhythms, shock, or even how to handle Anaphylactic emergencies or more complicated things like accessing a central venous catheter would all be fairly useless in the zombie world. Sure knowing good CPR would be fun and all, but you have bigger problems.

I think if you want survival med skills you need to find a different course other than the classic EMS route. But thats also not the vibe im getting from you.

If you want to be a beneficial member to your local area in the chance of a large emergency being a EMT is the way to go. Its the cheapest and fastest. I wont say easiest because they are all difficult in certain ways. EMT's do more than medical things. You would learn about the EMS system, how the chain of command works, and be able to help keep things moving and be that extra man power needed in a local disaster.

If you want to be a medical person in a post apocalyptic world, go be a medical volunteer in some place like Africa! Haha you will learn how to handle medical emergencies with little equipment fairly fast. Im still considering doing something like that myself. "
For a good time post disaster, there will be usable medical equipment sitting around, so knowledge is always useful. Plus, it's good stress inoculation.
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