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VagabondVance |
40. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 18 2011, 10:25 PM EST
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"I would like it if you all insist on continuing the walmart argument to use new details to debate it instead of posting the same pages to go visit... its not like if i see people swarming the docking bay i will still go in (to clarify for those who seem to not get it if i see people en mass i will continue driving and what do i lose 5 min of my time and if i do get something then all the better for me, that is the point)Driving to a wal-mat during the panic and only losing 5 minutes? Try Christmas Eve when the world isn't ending and people are heading out for Barbie's instead of bottled water. http://www.daggerpress.com/2010/12/24/massive-traffic-jam-in-constant-friendship-traps-drivers-for-hours/ Do you find this valuable? |
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41. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 18 2011, 10:28 PM EST
For further clarification, my user-name is a computer term to describe a haker that has control of many "zombie" computers also known as a "bot herder" but i thought "zombie master" sounded better however i was going to use my game nae for my user-name but i messed up during account creation and i cant use it now.If you Google map walmart in three rivers, MI you will see it has an odd position off of the road in a field so there are many approaches that one can take that is not the parking lot... Do you find this valuable? |
P0LaND |
42. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 18 2011, 10:51 PM EST
You should expand this out into a time line of what you plan to do when, including before SHTF. Remember though, details. I hate providing details as much as the next guy when I know, or at least think I know what I would do. I'm plotting out my plan right now, and every time I look at a line, I make myself think, "Okay, how exactly am I going to do that?" "What's the worst case scenario?" In the end, I usually think "Crap, I gotta go more in depth and make that more foolproof." Although I hate doing it, it's a *good* thing. That mindset is going to keep you alive. For example, when and how are you going to get a week's worth of rations for all the people that are going to be in that church? As of right now, and you can believe me or not, but you do not *quite* have a plan. You have a list of ideas of things that you want to take care of after Z-day. My turn to quote dictionary. plan- noun: 2. a) A method of achieving an end b) An often customary method of doing something: procedure c) A detailed formulation of a program of action d) Goal, Aim As you can see, these things point to something sequential. Besides, it's not like it'll kill ya to plan it all out more in depth. In fact, it might save ya. Do you find this valuable? |
Rocketman52 |
43. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 18 2011, 11:21 PM EST
"I have a 410g pump shotgun, a .22 bolt-action rifle, ford ranger,This is more like it. Not perfect, but you'll find that we can help you with this information. A list of what you have, a starting point, and the magic begins to happen... You have a pretty good set up already, from home, it seems. Am I correct when I assume you are leaving it for A) more survivors or B) a longer term shelter (i.e. a place to grow food, instead of raiding)? In my personal opinion, you should balance the benefits of the tank vs the drawbacks. It would prove near impervious, and a good distraction, but extremely difficult to use, you'd only get limited use from it, and it's always going to be a distraction, even if you're just moving. It will still make that noise and all. My final thought on it, just my opinion, would be to ditch it. If seriously needed, choose a truck (The ranger should work fine) to drive fast enough away from the horde, instead of over it. You can make do with the truck and avoid the extra work you'd have to put into the tank, allowing you to focus on your other survivors. As for the church, that can wait. Thoughts? Do you find this valuable? |
John_234 |
44. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 19 2011, 12:20 AM EST
Damned good flashlights have damned high battery consumption, eh? Something to consider.One thing I'm curious about is the tank. Do you mean some improvised one, an armored van or a real tank off some base? How do you plan on stealing what would be a reasonably well-secured vehicle? The problem with the church is the same as Walmart. Ever read the zombie survival guide? Brooks says in great detail the risks of religious congregations. The fact that a large amount of people would head there is not conductive to your plans. You might even need to fight to occupy it, and risk taking in infected refugees. I'd like to call in roach's boot for this plan. Say your FFL friend died and nobody had the key, or he jumped town, or perhaps he has a change of heart and doesn't allow you guys in, your plan as a whole is pretty much screwed. You have no firepower to steal a tank, defend that farm while you take supplies, and raid a church or school. One simple factor could kill your entire plan. How do you address this? Do you find this valuable? |
ItsMrManCub |
45. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 19 2011, 12:28 AM EST
"ItsMrManCub, why do you assume that it is a full auto AK-47 the guy got tired of the paperwork for his full auto guns and got rid of them (sold)"I guess he sold them to the local police department? So he probably has a key to their armory too. Besides having a tank you guys cant get your hands on a helicopter? I mean that would be way easier to plan your assault on the local Walmart right? You guys could just swoop in from the sky which no one would expect. You guys should bring the riot gear from the police department. Throw some tear gas into the store and watch em flee then just clean up the zeds and the store is yours. Man I wish I could think up of a plan like that. : ( Do you find this valuable? |
chitoryu12 |
46. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 19 2011, 1:02 AM EST
The fact that you're planning on getting a tank and using it says that you haven't put much thought into this.
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Lucais |
47. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 19 2011, 1:09 AM EST
no offence i agree with vagbondvance don't wait until the undead come to get supplies stock up now with as much as you can get everyone in your group to stock up that way u only have to go out to grab those people at that barn. then hold up at the fort until you need more supplies and try growing fruit and veggies in the hold up if there is less to get the less danger and the less time you need to be out.
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ZombieMaster1306 |
48. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 19 2011, 8:15 AM EST
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I do like this site because of the quantity of people, lots to reply to though... lolOK, there are a lot of terms i am not getting... i did find a page talking about them but cant find it again, can i get a link i will bookmark it this time. P0LaND, For the weeks worth of rations i was hopeful that i would be able to save as many MREs i can instead of eating them up before looking for other food sources. Rocketman52, I am leaving the house for survivors and long-term shelter because i want to save as many people as i can. The tank can outrun the zombies, however you will need to go farther to make them lose you because of how loud it is.. my Ranger is a lil' 4-banger with no guts... I have been thinking of a "Kill Zone" strategy, you find a good position a little ways from the town you want to clear of zombies (this is for elimination of the treat after a base is set up) get a safe area where zombies will not be able to get to the "hunters" (that the term?) like the roof of cowboy up in mendon (it is outside of the town by a bit) the tank would be used to attract the zombies from three rivers to cowboy up where they will be eliminated, if there are issues the tank can fire up and attract the zombies across the river through parkvill towards Kalamazoo and make a big loop back to cowboy up. John_234, My flashlight has tactical use, and will run an 3 AAA's for 9.5 hrs run time, and is an led. Got it at walmart for less than $20. The tank was on display, a "homeless" man was using it for.. *cough* hookers, and i do assume and pray they cleaned it, it is now in a barn behind the area it set, they drove it in to the barn, the idiot who drove it dragged track and was lucky he didn't break it. Do you find this valuable? |
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49. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 19 2011, 8:24 AM EST
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Brooks also said that silenced firearms are comparable to crossbows and bows, lol. I do like his WWZ and Recorded Zombie Attacks but other than that... The people in the church are a bonus, though i am not sure if a lot will be in the Cathlic (sp) probably the Methodist they are right next to each other though. I could see if they need help securing the place and leave the ones who don't want to leave be, till later. I don't know what you mean by FFL, but i don't need a key for anything, the federal dealer's gun shacks door can be ripped off with my truck and chain, and i am not raiding the school, im taking it over. ItsMrManCub, The gun guy did sell his machine-gun to a cop but it was a privet punches, i don't know how to fly and don't want to try (with out training), there is one at the lil' three rivers "airport" i think. Do you find this valuable? |
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P0LaND |
50. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 19 2011, 9:00 AM EST
My point about the church is that you need to look in depth about each point in your plan yourself, and weigh the possibilities of it happening. We're here to help, but these questions we ask should get you thinking about the broader picture, as well as the in depth picture.
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Rocketman52 |
51. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 19 2011, 10:11 AM EST
"Rocketman52,Just so we're clear, I can sympathize with the desire to save as many as you can. BUT, you can only save them as long as you're not dead yourself... So.... You're saying that the tank would have to go farther to get away from the zombies anyways.... That's not a good thing... But then what? You'll ditch it and sneak back to base on foot? Cause I can guarantee the Zeds'll follow ya right back if you try to drive it around. Most likely, you cannot simply turn off the noise on the engine without turning off the engine itself. Even if you plan on going with this strategy, you'd be a lot better off, and safer, using a siren. How in the world you be able to "eliminate" an entire town of zombies anyways? Fire doesn't count. Fer cryin out loud, it'd be a thousand times easier to rig up a remote system, even over a hard-line, to set off an electronic siren outside of town. That way, no one's going to get themselves killed in a tank... Do you find this valuable? |
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52. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 19 2011, 10:49 AM EST
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My idea was to have a group of people on the roof of cowboy up, with modifications to make it safer so they don't fall off, if we have to lead the zombies away the people on the roof will start heading back in a vehicle and when we (tank crew) get back after ditching the zombies get out and leave in a vehicle... quickly and a quiet one (like a 4-banger with no guts lol)That is an idea you could use a cop car.. its also fast (would be fun... :) lol) Do you find this valuable? |
cas13f |
53. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 19 2011, 11:10 AM EST
You won't get any tank, and you don't know how to ******' drive it.
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BigLoki |
54. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 19 2011, 11:44 AM EST
I've watched this thread for a bit, waiting for the dust to settle, and see where your head is at after the initial barrage that comes with your particular plan. I'm not completely convinced that you get what's being said to you, but I will assume that the shock, and irritation of your plan being picked apart has worn off a bit, and we can begin to help you construct something that is more... workable.You have an opportunity that most don't. Nearly everyone you have interacted with on this thread had started off with the same basic idea you did. Obviously not everyone, but enough of us. You are now a member of a site with a wealth of information, and a very diverse background in all things survival: from our supremely knowledgeable country dwellers, to military trained personnel, some SF guys, cops, to the book geniuses. I propose that you take a look at what has been said, re-visit your current plan, and see what you can do to recover it. You don't have to defend this plan to the death for fear of admitting you started with the wrong idea. That is 100% accepted here, as long as you relax and start trying to get something workable. Read more, and post less until you feel you are getting something workable. Deep down I KNOW you have to realize that at least most of what has been said to you here makes the most sense. In the event that 80% of the population in your area vaporizes, and 18% of the 20% that remain are zombies, well then you get the last laugh, and you can enjoy your post z-day shopping spree and such. You already have THAT plan. Now I propose that you make a second plan, taking into account all the things that you now know, and have access to. The difference between those that make it, and those that won't isn't dependent on doing the first thing that came to mind. It will be by developing an ever changing, ever evolving plan that encompasses as many variables as possible. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
DLOWTHEMAD |
55. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 19 2011, 1:31 PM EST
Now that you don't seem to be just defending a tired plan... Welcome to the site. Now seriously man, read around, avail yourself of all the resources available here... It shouldn't take you long to understand why we don't like your plan. IF you have read around, and still feel like this is a viable plan, you are wasting your time to ask us anything or post your plan for critique, as you obviosly DO NOT respect our opinions or knowledge. Now for My direct advice: Lose the tank. I was a Marine tanker (2nd armored, fort knox training division - 1998-1999) I even would not bother, they require a CREW of trained men to run and keep running. You said that a novice almost dropped a tread, Obviously the tank needs repairs... You are going to regret spending the energy to get that thing. You've already seen evidence that it is need of repair, and if it's a display the cannon won't work... even if you have shells for it. Modern tanks (since about 1950) have a startup sequence, if it's not followed you will likely cause it to need serious repairs. Honestly, You would be better off appropriating a strudy tractor. They will out run a person(or zombie) on foot, a big one would not be stopped by a crowd easily, and it is ALOT easier to start, operate, and repair. They also have implements that could be integrated into your plan (even seen as road crew cutting grass? }:-). The walmart thing is an issue... But there are ways to make it workable if you insist. My biggest concern is that you insist on making the raid in the middle of the panic... Why not save this for a goal once your supplies start to run low. Better to tighten your belt than to get out in the middle of the panic if you are as prepared as you say. Risk and reward must always be weighed... high risk for POSSIBLE reward is not worth it. Do you find this valuable? |
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DLOWTHEMAD |
56. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 19 2011, 2:29 PM EST
I know you feel like we are harping on the walmart and tank portions of your plan, and we are a bit. Honestly, we just don't want to see someone try to do the right thing, then screw themselves over... the results can be fatal. Every plan is different, but some plans are so common that we've looked at EVERY angle. As far as all of us saying you are young and other comments made. Your plan is one common(nearly word for word) among the younger set, the gathering of friends (stated in a general way), getting someone else's guns (why would he let them go, when they are likely to be needed more than ever), going to a large department store, and generally planning to have/ get things that you don't already own. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and smells like a duck... we aren't gonna call it a dog.Again, survival is about preperation, not being the first to run around and take things. What if you run into a well armed/ organized group? Personally, if you got near my BOL while in the midst of your plan, I would probably mistake you as a raider and unleash hell. Do you find this valuable? |
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chitoryu12 |
57. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 19 2011, 7:13 PM EST
"The tank was on display, a "homeless" man was using it for.. *cough* hookers, and i do assume and pray they cleaned it, it is now in a barn behind the area it set, they drove it in to the barn, the idiot who drove it dragged track and was lucky he didn't break it.Okay, let's assume you somehow get this tank. Do you know how to drive it? What fuel does it take? Does it have any weapons, or are they deactivated? If there ARE weapons, do you know how to use them? Tanks are logistically EXTREMELY difficult to use, especially if you're not a professional tank crew member. Do you find this valuable? |
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58. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 19 2011, 9:11 PM EST
I do admit i knew the tank is a long-shot.. but i love tanks, it is also just outside of town so it wont have too many zombies near it for a little while and nearly no one during the panic (it is nest to an apartment area), i just don't get why anyone would think that the guns on a tank are an option against zombies.Im just stubborn on the walmart thing because it sounds like you think im going to stroll in the front door. Is there any evidence that when a panic attack on a superstore extends into the back room? (i do get there is probably not much there anyways) Also wouldn't it be a little safer to go in before they are all turned to zombies that are looking at you as food. The walmart is just trying to get a little more productivity in the first few hrs.. at the same time i have friends securing the factory and getting the tank around. I though i was going to get info on how the factory would be bad, or how long it would take to get a farm going, how will you get supplys until then. Also how much power will it take to run the water pumps to fill the water tower, because i plan on using the towns existing infrastructure, it would suck if a fire-hydrant was broke. I also need to learn how the sewer system works, and the school sewer often freezes... bad thing ya. Or the use of a bulldozer to dig a trench, lots of gas needed and noise made. There is a station in Jones Mi that has the BIG old style snowplows and the HUGE V-style blade like what they use to use in the blizzards... a person i know wants to use a plow on a truck but i thought that a real snowplow could take the abuse better... DLOWTHEMAD, There is a difference between scavengers and raiders, if i find people attacking others with out due case i will make it my vendetta that it wont continue. Ever seen the mist? i would have driven the jeep into the window of the store. Do you find this valuable? |
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59. RE: ZombieMaster1306, Survival Plan
Jan 19 2011, 10:08 PM EST
I will be writing down my plan, that should help organize it and make it easy to see problems and tweak it.If i were to holdout at home I would take about 3 min to takeoff the back decks stairs (one flight), The basement stairs will take a little bit of work, will probably be easier to remove the steps, ill need to take a look at that, The front porch is quite sturdy and has an extensive rap around steps, i will peaceably have to drive one of our two vehicles into it to remove it. :( that might hurt, or i could remove the planks if i find the torque bit, but with six screws per board that will be a while so hope the zombies are not on us by then i am out in the country-ish area though. That would be a good starting point i suppose, because then we have a safe point to get the people on our call list to. Then we wont be in such a rush to secure a safe place in mendon... hmmmmm got some thinking to do... The problem though is a lack of a guaranteed survivor population, so less forces to take back or even hold an area with... though if everyone on this site was to regroup at one area after a year or so then we would have a country, if the world governments fell to the undead, instead of making a comeback. How do you start a page or would that be a tread? I'll call it Central City, or is it already thought and how to find it? It would be open Discussion, would prefer if it was in United States. lol off topic sorry, and not good at navigating this site. Do you find this valuable? |
