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zombieowner
zombieowner
Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 11 2011, 3:13 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2011, 3:01 PM EST
The government cannot be trusted. After the first infection the government according to Dead rising and Left 4 Dead and kinda common sense will try to control and conceal the disease. After they realize they can not control it they will kill every zombie and either kill survivors ( Dead rising) or bring them in to see how they survived (Left 4 dead) by running dangerous test on them. The survivors have test ran on them to see if they are carriers ( get extremely minor dosage of zed blood inside yours making your bodies immune to the disease but still can infect those not immune as you yourself have it but have no symptoms and zombies will still attack you) or have not encountered the infected . Basically the government just wants to make each person feel safe by killing those who aren't safe. They will try to bring all infected (even carriers) into one area and kill them all. This usually winds up in the place getting 100% overrun.This leads to the final step : Nuclear Explosives. Basically this is the apocalypse part , we all die. We could go underground but then if we came back up it takes a year for the lethal radiation to go away (I did some research). So remember this. You want proof the government won't help anyone instead just cover it up,the government will do whatever it takes to look good.
For example : During Vietnam war The US Government clearly stated that 10 times the Viet Congs died than US marine and also stated that Vietnam started the war by becoming communist . So lets review the end of the war : Soldiers that came back ( Btw about the same number on both teams died ) with a feeling of guilt because The Vietnamese never wanted war just to be there own country. The government if they had done this in the past,than basically they will try to help whoever does not know they cannot handle it). and then conceal that fact.
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Madurjafro
Madurjafro
1. RE: Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 11 2011, 3:26 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2011, 3:26 PM EST
Ok, I sighed when I read the words Dead rising and Left 4 Dead, games don't make good guides.
Also, the zombie biology on here goes that if you get a single drop of blood from a zombie, you are one.
Lethal radiation takes some time to go away, plus, the less lethal kind will still **** with your genes, and your kids will look... Not pretty. The effects are still there in Hiroshima & Nagasaki, you may be perfectly fine from the radiation, but your sperm/eggs won't be.

Nuclear radiation to go down to a generally acceptable level (what we would normally get in a year) would take thousands of years possibly.

the government for all you know, may just hide away waiting for a moment to re-emerge and do their **** all over again
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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
2. RE: Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 11 2011, 5:08 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2011, 5:08 PM EST
The fact that you use video games as reference instead of looking at actual disease and disaster control incidents and protocols says something about your logic. It doesn't say good things. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
timberrattler
timberrattler
3. RE: Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 11 2011, 5:15 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2011, 5:15 PM EST
"After the first infection the government according to (Dead rising and Left 4 Dead) will try to control and conceal the disease".

*Facepalm*
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Zedshot
Zedshot
4. RE: Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 11 2011, 5:29 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2011, 5:29 PM EST
I lol'd when I saw the video games.

According to this one zombie move I saw last week zombies are actually smart enought to capture non zombie women and men and they use them to create a breeding stock so they never run out of food.

So dont let them catch you LMAO
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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
5. RE: Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 11 2011, 6:32 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2011, 6:32 PM EST
According to Left 4 Dead, zombies can quite often transform into mutated monsters that spit acidic bile or can smash cars through walls or jump on your head and scratch you.

Does this mean if I see any fat zombies, I should scream "Don't get too close, he'll puke on you and a hoard of zombies will come out of the nearest manhole!"
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zombieowner
zombieowner
6. RE: Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 11 2011, 6:45 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2011, 6:45 PM EST
"The fact that you use video games as reference instead of looking at actual disease and disaster control incidents and protocols says something about your logic. It doesn't say good things."
Well Let us see , The military is highly likely to not have any paradise where the resue leads to
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Carnack
Carnack
7. RE: Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 11 2011, 10:57 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2011, 11:03 PM EST
"Well Let us see , The military is highly likely to not have any paradise where the resue leads to"
Prove it?

Common sense dictates that if the military finds itself unable to adequatly fight the normal way they withdraw and consolidate their forces into a few locations that will become staging areas for future attacks.

Videogames are designed for fun and challenge. Not to give one a legitimate course on virology and military tactics.

Evidence #1: A zombie that pukes acid that doesn't hurt it but hurts you and can kill you.

Evidence #2 A zombie that can puke on you and make zombies instantly swarm you as if they were always there.

Evidence #3 A zombie that has a prehensile tongue that can be fired like a frogs then controled to wrap around your neck and reel you in like you're the Catch Of The Day.

There is no way those sorts of changes can be made with a virus. Even an enhanced one.
Except. In. Movies and Games.
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OutlawJames
OutlawJames
8. RE: Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 11 2011, 11:16 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2011, 11:16 PM EST
"Dead Rising......Left 4 Dead....... "weeps"....."pours himself another bourbon".....slowly shakes his head and wonders what the youth of this world are turning in to?......"slams the bourbon and pours another"......... Do you find this valuable?    
tycho5conn
tycho5conn
9. RE: Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 11 2011, 11:34 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2011, 11:34 PM EST
""Well Let us see , The military is highly likely to not have any paradise where the resue leads to""
i feel like you also have (intentionally) ignored all incidents in real life where the military has taken action during natural disasters to help the local populaces. or at least failed to do any research NOT based on a video game.
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Carnack
Carnack
10. RE: Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 11 2011, 11:34 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2011, 11:34 PM EST
""Dead Rising......Left 4 Dead....... "weeps"....."pours himself another bourbon".....slowly shakes his head and wonders what the youth of this world are turning in to?......"slams the bourbon and pours another"........."
*steals one*

Ahem 22 year old over here?
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OutlawJames
OutlawJames
11. RE: Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 11 2011, 11:46 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 11 2011, 11:46 PM EST
"*steals one*

Ahem 22 year old over here?"
"pours Carnack a second....".Welcome to the land of Odd"......"pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"........." He's old and, mildly squiffed, and knows not from what he speaks...currently"....*hic*...."pours his self another".....
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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
12. RE: Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 12 2011, 5:07 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 12 2011, 5:07 AM EST
*Slams a keg of Everclear*

*head explodes*
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Rocketman52
Rocketman52
13. RE: Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 12 2011, 12:44 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 12 2011, 12:48 PM EST
"Videogames are designed for fun and challenge. Not to give one a legitimate course on virology and military tactics.

Evidence #1: A zombie that pukes acid that doesn't hurt it but hurts you and can kill you.

Evidence #2 A zombie that can puke on you and make zombies instantly swarm you as if they were always there.

Evidence #3 A zombie that has a prehensile tongue that can be fired like a frogs then controled to wrap around your neck and reel you in like you're the Catch Of The Day.

There is no way those sorts of changes can be made with a virus. Even an enhanced one.
Except. In. Movies and Games. "
I completely agree with you Carn. But I do find it very interesting to read into the theories behind the mutations of L4D2.

Apparently, there's some kind of acid-reflux-like thing-a-ma-defect that would be amplified by the disease. And the zombie already has a lot of damage. Most of the mouth is already dissolved, I believe, as well as the exposed skin on the chest.

The thought is that the virus reads the infectee's genetics, and in a person who tends towards obesity, it starts converting fat cells into bile and such, using the organs to pressurize it or something?

For a person who smokes, the cells in their esophagus are already prone to cancer and other uncontrollable growths. That "tongue" is more likely a second, re-purposed throat.

Again, I do believe it's completely preposterous, but I find it entertaining to go through the theories behind the special infected compared to the common.
EDIT: I'm trying to find the reference at the moment, but it's been a long time since I've read it.
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Carnack
Carnack
14. RE: Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 12 2011, 3:19 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 12 2011, 3:19 PM EST
Well yeah it is interesting to theorize.

However IF one were going to have puking as an attack method converting the stomach into a firing chamber would be highly effecient. An alteration of the muscles would allow it to clench hard and thus fire the contents.

Yeah I think too much :P
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PedroAsani
PedroAsani
15. RE: Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 12 2011, 3:28 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 12 2011, 3:28 PM EST
"Well yeah it is interesting to theorize.

However IF one were going to have puking as an attack method converting the stomach into a firing chamber would be highly effecient. An alteration of the muscles would allow it to clench hard and thus fire the contents.

Yeah I think too much :P"
But think about the extremities. If it pukes acid, then the mouth, tongue, teeth and lips must be able to withstand the pH 1 level. So the skin must be able to withstand it as well. But doesn't that mean that something with a pH of 7 would hurt them as much as the acid hurts us? A quick jet of water and problem solved.
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SGTGerman
SGTGerman
16. RE: Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 12 2011, 3:51 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 12 2011, 3:51 PM EST
Instead of half of you being total dicks about this, maybe a simple;

"Don't use games to explain your theory" would have been more polite? Games, films, novels are all works of fiction ment to "blow are minds".

@Pedro (Someone who is actually being professional)

The acid part I agree with, but it could still possible for "it" to splash you with some form of chemical that attracts other zeds?
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SovietPrince
SovietPrince
17. RE: Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 12 2011, 4:22 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 12 2011, 4:22 PM EST
in regards to government containment....

if the infection breaks out and you are in a:

rural town-expect to disapear from the face of the earth
major city-to get nuked. You will. definitely
small town-to experience chaos and band together to fight against the undead and their own community
anywhere near a river-if your area is major enough, the military will blast your bridges and the undead will comb through your ranks like ticks on a dog.

Of course, i am too blunt with my argument. But i see that the most controversial argument in my statements is whether we will nuke ourselves or not.

for that, i offer only one phrase: "bullets can't kill a virus. Fire can"

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Carnack
Carnack
18. RE: Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 12 2011, 5:01 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 12 2011, 5:01 PM EST
"But think about the extremities. If it pukes acid, then the mouth, tongue, teeth and lips must be able to withstand the pH 1 level. So the skin must be able to withstand it as well. But doesn't that mean that something with a pH of 7 would hurt them as much as the acid hurts us? A quick jet of water and problem solved."
I was actually speaking more on the fat dude than that other one.

I truly have no idea how something could barf harmful acid that doesn't harm it but hurts everyone else.

Granted there are some insects that can do it but that was built over a very long period of time.

SGT: Videogames being inadmissable as evidence and theory basis is common sense to a large portion of the population and ZO has been here long enough to know this.

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tycho5conn
tycho5conn
19. RE: Trust the people not the ones who control them
Feb 12 2011, 10:49 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 12 2011, 10:49 PM EST
"Instead of half of you being total dicks about this, maybe a simple;

"Don't use games to explain your theory" would have been more polite? Games, films, novels are all works of fiction ment to "blow are minds". "
honestly

u rite lmao
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