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SGT629 |
M1891/30
Feb 17 2011, 3:05 PM EST
I bought a pre-war hex receiver Mosin on AIMsurplus.com for $80 and I can say I'm very happy with it. Before I put a scope on it, my old rifle with the bayonet on it was as accurate as can be expected with user error at 100 yards. The rounds are cheap as can be (440 rounds of Russian surplus for $80) and are powerful as hell. I solved my sticky bolt problem by rigorous cleaning and more particular ammunition selection. When it comes to surplus ammo for a bolt action never get the green lacquered steel cased ammo. I then mounted a scope on it, but that's a different animal. I like the longer Mosin because it becomes a heavy backed spear or a bludgeon.
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nate121 |
1. RE: M1891/30
Feb 17 2011, 3:35 PM EST
I assume you have a bent-bolt adapter, otherwise the scope would get in the way of operating the rifle.I've been looking at one of these for awhile, did yours come with the bayonet? Do you find this valuable? |
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SGT629 |
2. RE: M1891/30
Feb 17 2011, 4:15 PM EST
"I assume you have a bent-bolt adapter, otherwise the scope would get in the way of operating the rifle.It did come with a bayonet, but the hex receiver does not allow for the PU mount so I got a scout mount. It replaced the ladder sight a long eye relief scope. http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?groupid=90&name=Russian+1891/30+7.62x54R+Mosin+Nagant+Rifles Do you find this valuable? |
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SGT629 |
3. RE: M1891/30
Feb 17 2011, 4:16 PM EST
oh and no I don't have a bent bolt yet. You don't need one with the setup I have, but it makes bench shooting so much easier.
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kweschin |
4. RE: M1891/30
Feb 17 2011, 5:09 PM EST
its a pretty good solution in my opinion. You really dont have to change much on the rifle , but allows you to have a scope. I was looking in to doing the same, but I had trouble finding a good scope with the right eye relief. where did you get yours?
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2WheeledSpeed |
5. RE: M1891/30
Feb 17 2011, 5:13 PM EST
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"its a pretty good solution in my opinion. You really dont have to change much on the rifle , but allows you to have a scope. I was looking in to doing the same, but I had trouble finding a good scope with the right eye relief. where did you get yours?"Just off the top of my head, I know that some people use pistol scopes when the scope is mounted that far forward because they have a longer eye relief you need for this application. Or, look up "scout" style or intermediate eye relief (IER) scopes. Leupold makes one. Do you find this valuable? |
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LJ126 |
6. RE: M1891/30
Feb 17 2011, 7:19 PM EST
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I shoot lacquered-cased ammo out of my Mosin-Nagant rifles all the time, and don't have sticky bolt issues on any of them, but at first I had similar problems too...If I had to guess, there is probably still some old cosmoline or dried up gun oil in the chamber area of your old M91/30 rifle. What happens is that when you shoot, the receiver around the chamber area heats up and that old (and now warm) grease forms a rough glue on the fired cartridge cases. The effective is more appreciable on lacquer steel cased ammo than it is on brass ammo. To fix this problem so that ANY ammo can be used without this problem, try using a 20 gauge bore mop (soaked in solvent) to clean the chamber out thoroughly. Make sure to thoroughly dry the chamber after cleaning too, and be careful not to over-lubricate your bolt. If you're still having a problem, inspect your brass - if there are any scratches or signs of over-pressure (OP mimics sticky bolt) on the cases you might need to make a trip to the gunsmith. Speaking of Mosin-Nagant bolt lubrication, I use dry graphite lube (like that used on locks) to lubricate the inside of my rifle bolts rather than liquid lubricants. This prevents the lubricant from running out of the bolt, and is better for long-term storage than most gun oils. You can find it for a few bucks at any automotive store. Do you find this valuable? |
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LJ126 |
7. RE: M1891/30
Feb 17 2011, 7:21 PM EST
"Just off the top of my head, I know that some people use pistol scopes when the scope is mounted that far forward because they have a longer eye relief you need for this application.I'm considering setting up a rig like this on my M38, using the S&K Mount and a Simmons ProHunter pistol scope... I will probably be doing this sometime during the summer, maybe sooner? I plan on doing a range report and bringing pics back afterward. Do you find this valuable? |
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2WheeledSpeed |
8. RE: M1891/30
Feb 17 2011, 7:28 PM EST
"I'm considering setting up a rig like this on my M38, using the S&K Mount and a Simmons ProHunter pistol scope...Always did like the "Scout Rifle" look, I look forward to seeing your M38 setup that way. Do you find this valuable? |
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SGT629 |
9. RE: M1891/30
Feb 18 2011, 2:34 AM EST
"I shoot lacquered-cased ammo out of my Mosin-Nagant rifles all the time, and don't have sticky bolt issues on any of them, but at first I had similar problems too...I can't say I'm an expert but I tried everything to solve the sticky bolt, I thought it was the receiver, and it could have been, but I couldn't get it to fire more than 40 rounds without getting gummed up, even after the 20 gauge shotgun brush. But a guy at the range had this Russian non-lacquered steel rounds that could be fired all day. I use this kinda gell stuff called bore butter; it's like a gelled grease in a yellow squeeze bottle. It's great for everything, lubrication, cleaning, preservation, etc. It's like a light cosmoline that wipes clean. Do you find this valuable? |
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LJ126 |
10. RE: M1891/30
Feb 18 2011, 3:28 AM EST
Interesting. If you buy ammo online, I suggest trying the Russian light ball surplus stuff, available @ Cheaper than Dirt or Sportsman's Guide for pretty cheap. It's not particularly accurate, but the cases are copper washed and might function well in your rifle.
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SGT629 |
11. RE: M1891/30
Feb 18 2011, 12:27 PM EST
That's exactly where I buy online, though I got such a good deal at a gunshow that I have 1360 rounds in cans, and a bunch I had from my last order. Good times to be had.
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SGT629 |
12. RE: M1891/30
Feb 18 2011, 12:41 PM EST
That's what I buy now. I also find the copper washed stuff at gunshows for less than cheaper than dirt.
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Filadog |
13. RE: M1891/30
Feb 19 2011, 5:43 AM EST
from what I have read the sticking bolt problem is pretty common with these rifles and the feeling is that it is caused by the cosmoline grease used that turns to varnish in the chamber, heats up after shooting and causes the shell to stick.I have no personal experience with this but I have cleaned up many many military rifles that had been packed in Cosmoine. I've found the best stuff to use is an Engine cleaner like GUNK, or a Carburetor cleaner. If you can heat up the gun some, spray it and let set a bit then clean up in hot water. If I had a Nagant with this problem I would plug the bore, turn barrel upside down and fill up the chamber with some engine cleaner and let it soak. Then clean with a brush followed by a rag I've never been a real fan of the Nagant, horrible safety and hard to see sights but they should be a dependable rifle. I do see the attraction of it being cheap to buy with affordable ammo too Do you find this valuable? |
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SGT629 |
14. RE: M1891/30
Feb 20 2011, 10:43 PM EST
" from what I have read the sticking bolt problem is pretty common with these rifles and the feeling is that it is caused by the cosmoline grease used that turns to varnish in the chamber, heats up after shooting and causes the shell to stick.I might try that, but I haven't had any problems since I changed ammo. I agree that the iron sights are a little hard to see, but not any more so than a pistol's sights. If it weren't for the fact that it can dislocate your shoulder it would be a great rifle for a beginner because it's easy to use. The only safety I need is my index finger. Do you find this valuable? |
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kweschin |
15. RE: M1891/30
Feb 23 2011, 9:20 PM EST
"The only safety I need is my index finger. "I love that! That was my thought exactly. As far as recoil goes, if it gets to be too much, you could always try swapping out the stock for one of the mante carlo ATI stocks. I have one in the camo theme and it helps. I never was a big fan of the metal butt-plate. Do you find this valuable? |
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SGT629 |
16. RE: M1891/30
Feb 24 2011, 12:17 AM EST
"mante carlo ATI stocks. I have one in the camo theme and it helps. I never was a big fan of the metal butt-plate."I'm actually making a stock to look like the Longshot from Gears of War. I will not be putting a metal but plate, but if I had to smack a zed in the face with a butt, it'd be the one that nearly dislocated my shoulder. Do you find this valuable? |
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chitoryu12 |
17. RE: M1891/30
Feb 24 2011, 5:45 PM EST
"I bought a pre-war hex receiver Mosin on AIMsurplus.com for $80 and I can say I'm very happy with it. Before I put a scope on it, my old rifle with the bayonet on it was as accurate as can be expected with user error at 100 yards. The rounds are cheap as can be (440 rounds of Russian surplus for $80) and are powerful as hell. I solved my sticky bolt problem by rigorous cleaning and more particular ammunition selection. When it comes to surplus ammo for a bolt action never get the green lacquered steel cased ammo. I then mounted a scope on it, but that's a different animal. I like the longer Mosin because it becomes a heavy backed spear or a bludgeon. "I was looking at that website's Mosins. Do they allow transfers from FFLs? Because reading the purchasing info it looks like you have to be a licensed dealer or C&R license owner to purchase from them, while other sites just have you put the contact info of a dealer instead of your own info and you can get it transferred. Do you find this valuable? |