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PaganArcher
Explosive arrows?
Feb 18 2011, 7:30 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 18 2011, 7:30 PM EST
A friend of mine sent me a link to what essentially turns an aluminum arrow shaft into a mid to long range explosive, knowing my fascination with methods for destroying the undead. Anyone every heard of such a thing? 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

franki1313
1. RE: Explosive arrows?
Feb 18 2011, 8:28 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 18 2011, 8:28 PM EST
i heard of such a thing and mythbuster even made an episode about explosive arrows. the whole thing is really impressive and would be a really good weapon agains humain would it be only from the psychological factor.

against the undead, i unfortunatly see very little use to such a weapon. in order to neutralise an undead opponent, you would need to either hit the head, neck or very hight in the chest to even hope killing the undead or decapitating it with the explosion.

i can see multiple way to use it in general warfare though : lighting fires, setting off traps, even as a distraction to give yourself time to get away... but as a main weapon, except if you are a dedicated archer, i doubt you could consider that as a good defense.

also, if the arrow send a lot of shrapnels when exploding (or if you modify it for such) you got to make sure you always fire from a covered area because even thought it would make for a little better chances to score a kill shot , you do NOT want to be hit by one of those. without proper medical assistance (given that it doesnt kill you on the spot) the wound would not heal proprely and get infected witch would eventually kill you.

that is what i think. but if you could post the link to that video, i could verify my points. maybe i'm all wrong and it would actually be a good weapon.
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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
2. RE: Explosive arrows?
Feb 18 2011, 10:10 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 18 2011, 10:10 PM EST
Loading an arrow up with explosives will also make it heavier, which decreases the range. I'd also like to see the design, as arrows are designed to be very aerodynamic and messing with the shape or attaching new devices to it can cause accuracy problems.

Moreover, explosive arrows don't exactly work like in Rambo or Black Ops; more likely it just blows a hole in the zombie's chest like a shotgun slug at close range. Good for you if you sever the spine with the explosion and cripple it, but there's just as good a chance that you'll miss entirely and cause non-crippling wounds or cause a non-lethal chest wound.

As franki said, it would be great as a psychological weapon (imagine a dozen pipe bombs all exploding at once in the middle of your squad). Unfortunately psychological weapons are very specific in who they work against, and zombies don't understand the concept of "weapon", let alone "fear".

I'm predicting someone trying to go Rambo with explosive arrows from his bow will just launch a lot of annoying shrapnel. The accuracy problem is solved with a crossbow, but then why use explosives?
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theman838
theman838
3. RE: Explosive arrows?
Feb 18 2011, 11:09 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 18 2011, 11:09 PM EST
"A friend of mine sent me a link to what essentially turns an aluminum arrow shaft into a mid to long range explosive, knowing my fascination with methods for destroying the undead. Anyone every heard of such a thing?"
Bro don't, lie you know you got got this from Black Ops.
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PaganArcher
4. RE: Explosive arrows?
Feb 19 2011, 2:22 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2011, 2:22 AM EST
"Bro don't, lie you know you got got this from Black Ops."
Sadly, you're mistaken. The design doesn't huve an arrowhead, or even an explosive compound. The link was to what was called "The Anarchist's Cookbook" and utilized an aluminum arrow, black powder, a shot shell primer, a metal bb, and a small amount of adhesive.

The design sounds plausible but not as an effective combat weapon as it would require a hard surface to have even a remote chance of detonation.

Here's the link: http://www.textfiles.com/anarchy/JOLLYROGER/060.jrc
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TRENCHcoat666
TRENCHcoat666
5. RE: Explosive arrows?
Feb 19 2011, 5:37 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2011, 5:37 AM EST
read that book front to back multiple times, its good but try some of it before you believe it. youtube might have some videos, but i havent checked. It is a colection of text files from hackers, phreakers and anarchists from the late 80's. I have never tried this one but it doesnt seem like it would be a big bang. get some black powder see how much an arrow holds then fill a film canister and find an empty stretch of country road or anywhere you would light off fireworks. you might be disappointed. Do you find this valuable?    
chitoryu12
chitoryu12
6. RE: Explosive arrows?
Feb 19 2011, 6:13 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2011, 6:13 AM EST
"Sadly, you're mistaken. The design doesn't huve an arrowhead, or even an explosive compound. The link was to what was called "The Anarchist's Cookbook" and utilized an aluminum arrow, black powder, a shot shell primer, a metal bb, and a small amount of adhesive.

The design sounds plausible but not as an effective combat weapon as it would require a hard surface to have even a remote chance of detonation.

Here's the link: http://www.textfiles.com/anarchy/JOLLYROGER/060.jrc"
Assuming it even went off upon hitting a zombie, it probably wouldn't do much. Black powder is a low explosive, and I don't think that a hollow aluminum arrow will have the same effect as a pipe bomb would at increasing the detonating ability. Should this go off, it really wouldn't do much at all. A head hit would obviously kill it, but so would a non-explosive arrow.

Hell, this is a purely psychological weapon. It doesn't even seem to have the fragmentation power or detonation to really cause that much damage in battle.
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PaganArcher
7. RE: Explosive arrows?
Feb 19 2011, 1:22 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2011, 1:22 PM EST
"Assuming it even went off upon hitting a zombie, it probably wouldn't do much. Black powder is a low explosive, and I don't think that a hollow aluminum arrow will have the same effect as a pipe bomb would at increasing the detonating ability. Should this go off, it really wouldn't do much at all. A head hit would obviously kill it, but so would a non-explosive arrow.

Hell, this is a purely psychological weapon. It doesn't even seem to have the fragmentation power or detonation to really cause that much damage in battle."
The theory sounds nice but it's not a practical weapon unless it could be used for setting off some kind of trap or simply as a diversion.

Raiders, or zeds, will likely be distracted if a few of these went off near them so it might be able to allow an escape option.
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franki1313
8. RE: Explosive arrows?
Feb 19 2011, 3:47 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2011, 3:47 PM EST
"The theory sounds nice but it's not a practical weapon unless it could be used for setting off some kind of trap or simply as a diversion.

Raiders, or zeds, will likely be distracted if a few of these went off near them so it might be able to allow an escape option."
yep, and the major advantage of a bow/crossbow over a firearm is the fact that its silent and that you can re-use your ammunitions. exploding arrows would cancel both these advantage.
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PaganArcher
9. RE: Explosive arrows?
Feb 19 2011, 3:55 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 20 2011, 5:09 PM EST
"yep, and the major advantage of a bow/crossbow over a firearm is the fact that its silent and that you can re-use your ammunitions. exploding arrows would cancel both these advantage.
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To a degree, yes. You can still utilize the silence factor because the explosion, however small, would be the first sound they hear and a shot to the side or behind them and raiders at least would be unlikely to find your original firing position.

As many are taught in various forms of training, never stay in the same place after firing unless pinned down. Should a weapon like this be utilized, the idea I would use would be to have several people firing them in the general direction of the hostile force, whatever it may be, as more of a diversionary tactic allowing an escape route

EDIT: spelling
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rabidbeaver
rabidbeaver
10. RE: Explosive arrows?
Feb 19 2011, 7:51 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2011, 7:51 PM EST
Could be good if the arrow actually shrapnels like the cookbook says. Also would make a good distraction. What I like about it is that it is actually easier to make than arrows. Do you find this valuable?    
redcomrad
redcomrad
11. RE: Explosive arrows?
Feb 20 2011, 3:02 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 20 2011, 3:02 PM EST
You know you should use crossbows instead much more power and easier to use. Also you could possibly make catapults that throw impact grenades or fire pots that would be far more effective but not very mobile. Also if you want a weapon that has a decent psychological effect and damage factor make a cast iron rocket not that difficult to make.
Catapult
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:French_grenade_catapult.jpg
Rocket
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Russian_soldier_with_Congrave_rocket_in_1826-1828.png
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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
12. RE: Explosive arrows?
Feb 20 2011, 4:58 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 20 2011, 4:58 PM EST
"yep, and the major advantage of a bow/crossbow over a firearm is the fact that its silent and that you can re-use your ammunitions. exploding arrows would cancel both these advantage.
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It actually wouldn't really cancel the advantage of silence, but it would work differently.

While a normal crossbow or arrow allows you to pick off targets without others knowing what's happening, with an explosive arrow they only know that something is exploding in their midst. They don't know where it's coming from or even if it's a projectile or a time bomb.

This fits into the psychological aspect by keeping them from knowing where the shooter is or making them think that someone snuck into their base and left a bunch of pipe bombs around. The arrows disintegrate in the explosion and leave no trace of their origin or even what kind of weapon they were. You still have the problem of low fragmentation, translating to a low kill ratio.
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PaganArcher
13. RE: Explosive arrows?
Feb 20 2011, 5:06 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 20 2011, 5:07 PM EST
"It actually wouldn't really cancel the advantage of silence, but it would work differently.

While a normal crossbow or arrow allows you to pick off targets without others knowing what's happening, with an explosive arrow they only know that something is exploding in their midst. They don't know where it's coming from or even if it's a projectile or a time bomb.

This fits into the psychological aspect by keeping them from knowing where the shooter is or making them think that someone snuck into their base and left a bunch of pipe bombs around. The arrows disintegrate in the explosion and leave no trace of their origin or even what kind of weapon they were. You still have the problem of low fragmentation, translating to a low kill ratio."
At best it might create enough panic amongst a group of raiders that they'd do us the favor and kill each other off so we can take what supplies they may have.
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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
14. RE: Explosive arrows?
Feb 20 2011, 5:09 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 20 2011, 5:09 PM EST
"At best it might create enough panic amongst a group of raiders that they'd do us the favor and kill each other off so we can take what supplies they may have."
Why? When small explosions start going off around you, why is your first reaction to freak out and shoot everyone nearby? That's something a mental patient does.
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redcomrad
redcomrad
15. RE: Explosive arrows?
Feb 20 2011, 5:10 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 20 2011, 5:10 PM EST
"It actually wouldn't really cancel the advantage of silence, but it would work differently.

While a normal crossbow or arrow allows you to pick off targets without others knowing what's happening, with an explosive arrow they only know that something is exploding in their midst. They don't know where it's coming from or even if it's a projectile or a time bomb.

This fits into the psychological aspect by keeping them from knowing where the shooter is or making them think that someone snuck into their base and left a bunch of pipe bombs around. The arrows disintegrate in the explosion and leave no trace of their origin or even what kind of weapon they were. You still have the problem of low fragmentation, translating to a low kill ratio."
actually with enough explosives in the arrow it could be an effective concussion bomb which is very useful when used in an enclosed space
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PaganArcher
16. RE: Explosive arrows?
Feb 20 2011, 5:16 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 20 2011, 5:16 PM EST
"Why? When small explosions start going off around you, why is your first reaction to freak out and shoot everyone nearby? That's something a mental patient does."
Those who are hardened against it, i.e. those who have served in the military or those in a pyrotechnics field, are more likely to look for the source. Others, teens or those who are not mentally prepared for the rigors of combat have the chance to get a little jumpy on the trigger. My cousin is one of those people for instance. Heard a noise in his kitchen and put ten rounds into a wall for what turned out to be a mouse.

I'm not saying everyone will react that waybut there is a chance in a world where most people probably wont use the safety and chaos can be sparked by the slightest noise.
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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
17. RE: Explosive arrows?
Feb 21 2011, 2:08 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 21 2011, 2:08 AM EST
"Those who are hardened against it, i.e. those who have served in the military or those in a pyrotechnics field, are more likely to look for the source. Others, teens or those who are not mentally prepared for the rigors of combat have the chance to get a little jumpy on the trigger. My cousin is one of those people for instance. Heard a noise in his kitchen and put ten rounds into a wall for what turned out to be a mouse.

I'm not saying everyone will react that waybut there is a chance in a world where most people probably wont use the safety and chaos can be sparked by the slightest noise."
I think you should take every single weapon from your cousin. He is NOT someone who should have guns.
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PaganArcher
18. RE: Explosive arrows?
Feb 21 2011, 2:33 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 21 2011, 2:33 AM EST
"I think you should take every single weapon from your cousin. He is NOT someone who should have guns."
Didn't have to. The local sheriff did when his neighbor called in domestic disturbance or something.
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