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kitstaphur	chain link with kick Feb 23 2011, 2:54 PM EST I have no idea if this would work, its just an idea. But is it possible to make the chain link fence an electric fence? If so, would that be a good defense? me idea would connect a battery, or generator or anything that can develop power to the fence. This turning it into an electric fence. Post reply 3 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: Brick Chain link Cinder Blocks Hammer Hostile Survivors nailgun Pallets plywood sandbags Trench zombie
zombiekillingspree	1. RE: chain link with kick Feb 23 2011, 2:55 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 23 2011, 2:56 PM EST first depends for raiders or zeds plus you have to think about batteries running out. Post reply 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
DonovanRichter	2. RE: chain link with kick Feb 23 2011, 3:00 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 23 2011, 3:04 PM EST Second post =^_^= No seriously, actualy a chain link fence couldn't become electrified. A small portion yes, so if a power line is touching a fence, get away from it. But rigging an electric current to go over the whole thing wouldn't work since most of the fence would be grounded. Resistance would be a huge factor as well. But it probably wouldn't work too well on zombies anyhow so there's no real loss. =^_^= Tasers, which lock up muscles are one thing but electric fences are more to give a painful shock so that animals won't try to cross them. And if zombies don't feel pain it probably wont work. The direct current in the battery (if you had a powerful enough battery) might be enough to get some of the wires to heat up, but it likely wouldn't electrify the fence and shock people, and if you had enough power to do so, it probably wouldn't travel very far down the fence before being attracted to ground. The metal poles are a huge problem with that even if the wires were off the ground. (which would be too bulky to be effective anyhow). =^_^= Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
zombiekillingspree	3. RE: chain link with kick Feb 23 2011, 3:07 PM EST third post on the subject of fences imagine an electric razor wire fence that would be overkill Post reply 1 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
nate121	4. RE: chain link with kick Feb 23 2011, 5:32 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 23 2011, 5:35 PM EST most electric fences aren't very lethal, there meant to contain something without killing it. if you had a rather constant supply of power (micro-hydro generator for example), and a few lengths of power line w/ the insulation striped off, you might be able to rig up a Jurassic-park style electric cable fence with a lethal amount of current... i don't know if that would work though, I'm not much of an electrician, anyone who knows what they are talking about want to weigh in? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
brandon_a_boyer	5. RE: chain link with kick Feb 23 2011, 9:12 PM EST There are three major things to consider here. Voltage, Amperage, and Current type Voltage - to overcome the natural resistance of human skin you need about 48 volts, effectiveness would increase greatly the higher you go past that number. Essentially, the higher the voltage is, the deeper the current can flow into your body. Amperage - .5 Amps is the general lethal area, however I would say you want at least 1 amp just to be safe. Current Type - Alternating current is a must, you can't just hook a car battery up to a fence and expect it to electrocute someone. It has to be alternating Current, and the higher the frequency is, the better chance somebody will get fried. So an AC generator or a current oscillator is a must. *Also, you need to insulate the fence from being grounded. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
kitstaphur	6. RE: chain link with kick Feb 24 2011, 1:15 PM EST So, if constant power is possible, it would probably still do no help. If there was enough power, it could help defend against raiders though. wouldn't harm zeds, but it could harm or even kill a few raiders Post reply Do you find this valuable?
brandon_a_boyer	7. RE: chain link with kick Feb 24 2011, 1:29 PM EST It depends on the physiology of the Zeds, it could theoretically disable them by overloading their central nervous system. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
JadedCynic	8. RE: chain link with kick Feb 24 2011, 1:32 PM EST Unless those raiders had a pair of bolt cutters with rubberized grips, which wouldn't be too difficult to find since the majority of bolt cutters come with those grips simply for comfort, with the insulating quality being a side effect. I just don't think that a chain link fence would be worth the effort to construct. It's too easy to breach, or simply force down with enough mass (hordes of zeds). Not to mention that a fence like that would all but require constant foot patrols. Too many shortcomings for too little gain, in my opinion. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
brandon_a_boyer	9. RE: chain link with kick Feb 24 2011, 2:09 PM EST "Unless those raiders had a pair of bolt cutters with rubberized grips, which wouldn't be too difficult to find since the majority of bolt cutters come with those grips simply for comfort, with the insulating quality being a side effect. I just don't think that a chain link fence would be worth the effort to construct. It's too easy to breach, or simply force down with enough mass (hordes of zeds). Not to mention that a fence like that would all but require constant foot patrols. Too many shortcomings for too little gain, in my opinion." Properly designed I don't think a horde could push it over. Normally I would back this up with some math, however I could not find any strength numbers on the fencing itself. I do know that the fencing is available in sizes up to nearly 1/8" thick wire. So assuming the fence is anchored properly, it's strength would come down to the shear strength of the vertical supports, and the tensile strength of the fence itself. Personally I like the fact that you can see through it, and if necessary, fire rounds through it. Although I would not have a fence be my only defensive barrier. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
JadedCynic	10. RE: chain link with kick Feb 24 2011, 3:09 PM EST " Personally I like the fact that you can see through it, and if necessary, fire rounds through it. Although I would not have a fence be my only defensive barrier." I think being able to see through it would be almost as much of a liability as a benefit. Being able to shoot through the fence means that anyone wanting to attack you could fire on you without needing to find high ground. I'd just rather have a solid wall such as a cinder block or wooden palisade. Sure, it would take more time and energy, but I believe the pros would be worth the effort, especially if the area that is being fortified is intended for longterm use. A solid wall could be covered effectively by fewer guards placed in elevated positions such as towers or on roof tops several yards back from the wall. A chain fence would require constant patrol to check for possible breaches because a few cut wires, especially if the cut is a straight line instead of a cut out section of fence. Just my .02 Post reply Do you find this valuable?
kitstaphur	11. RE: chain link with kick Feb 24 2011, 4:19 PM EST What f you have a solid wall with towers on the inside of the fortified walls, and about 20 plus feet from the wall, have the fence? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
JadedCynic	12. RE: chain link with kick Feb 24 2011, 5:19 PM EST Anything that gives you defense-in-depth is a good thing, provided the you have the resources to do so. The two layers would give you extra time to react to most threats before they presented an immediate danger. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
White76Knight	13. RE: chain link with kick May 30 2011, 2:59 PM EDT "Unless those raiders had a pair of bolt cutters with rubberized grips, which wouldn't be too difficult to find since the majority of bolt cutters come with those grips simply for comfort, with the insulating quality being a side effect." I apologize for the necro post, but I've only just come across this thread. In any case I just wanted to comment that an electrified fence, presuming that it was properly constructed and that you had the means to electrify it in the first place, would be viable. Yes anyone with bolt cutters can come along and cut sections out of your fence, but anyone with a chainsaw can cut down a wooden palisade too, but are you really going to stand there and do nothing while invaders take your fence apart? There is no style of fence or wall that is impenetrable if your attacker has the right tools, but you would presumably have people watching your perimeter, and it's their job to alert the group if anyone attempts to breach the wall. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
VagabondVance	14. RE: chain link with kick May 30 2011, 9:17 PM EDT "Properly designed I don't think a horde could push it over. " What about sedans? Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
timberrattler	15. RE: chain link with kick May 30 2011, 9:52 PM EDT \| Post edited: May 30 2011, 9:53 PM EDT My opinion on chain link fence? Build a second fence that runs parallel to your first fence. Set 'em up about 10' apart. line the inside with plastic and fill it up with gravel, sand or dirt. I believe that gravel will eat a bullet up. This style of wall would be better than a solid concrete wall because gravel gives and can't be as easily destroyed by gunfire as concrete can IMO. I'd like to see a horde push it over with that much weight inside. Sorry but I believe that electricity can be better used elsewhere. Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
PedroAsani	16. RE: chain link with kick May 30 2011, 9:58 PM EDT "My opinion on chain link fence? Build a second fence that runs parallel to your first fence. Set 'em up about 10' apart. line the inside with plastic and fill it up with gravel, sand or dirt. I believe that gravel will eat a bullet up. This style of wall would be better than a solid concrete wall because gravel gives and can't be as easily destroyed by gunfire as concrete can IMO. I'd like to see a horde push it over with that much weight inside. Sorry but I believe that electricity can be better used elsewhere. " If you do that, then have the fences lean towards each other slightly. It will prevent any chance of the gravel flattening a fence if the earth moves, earthquake, subsidence, etc. /gravel\ Post reply Do you find this valuable?
White76Knight	17. RE: chain link with kick May 31 2011, 8:13 AM EDT "Sorry but I believe that electricity can be better used elsewhere. " Oh no doubt about that, but JadedCynic had said that electric fences would be vulnerable to anyone with a set of bolt cutters. That's all I was commenting on. Aside from that, though, I agree with you. Post Z-Day, most people are unlikely to have sustainable electricity at all, and even those who do are unlikely to have enough to spare to energize a fence. Come to think of it though, again, presupposing that you somehow had access to enough power to energize the fence in the first place, what about a fence that was wired for power, but you only throw the switch in the event of attack? That way you wouldn't be wasting power all the rest of the time. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
White76Knight	18. RE: chain link with kick May 31 2011, 8:16 AM EDT "My opinion on chain link fence? Build a second fence that runs parallel to your first fence. Set 'em up about 10' apart. line the inside with plastic and fill it up with gravel, sand or dirt. I believe that gravel will eat a bullet up. This style of wall would be better than a solid concrete wall because gravel gives and can't be as easily destroyed by gunfire as concrete can IMO. I'd like to see a horde push it over with that much weight inside." I'd suggest lining it with something more resilient than plastic, because once the plastic was cut, shot or otherwise tattered, the gravel would just start spilling out through the holes, leaving you with a weak point in your wall. If the gravel was also individually contained, on the other hand, like in sandbags or whatever, then you should be fine. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
UNCLE_ZEDDY	19. RE: chain link with kick Jun 4 2011, 11:49 PM EDT Well as I have stated my employment has taken me down my paths and one of which was line and street light crew for a electric company. The hot chain link idea is not a winner but this may be of use. The scenario is that you have limitless power and a lot of it, water or wind driven generators (BTW this is in my extended bug out plan). So a large wind generator will produce thousands of volts of electricity which has to travel many miles before it is stepped down at a sub station to be transmitted more locally and then stepped down again to enter your home at a somewhat less dangerous 110v. That said an electric fence for live stock pulses the power out every few seconds, power is released from a capacitor which allows the power to build and then sends it out and then builds up power again and lets it out. Two reasons for this straight current will hold say a hand closed around the wire so that a person could not let go (safety) and the capacitor builds the power up to sting more (effectiveness). For my electric fence I would use the same insulators found on the hi line poles found in rural areas to carry power to houses and a wire of at least 2 gauge (something about the size of a nickle around). I would use the straight current from the wind generator (something like 660v or more) around 3 to 3.5 feet off the ground just high enough to catch zeddy in the mid to upper thigh. Now what is the effect on Mr. Zed stumbling onto my fence...side story a co-worker of mine was in an accident and hit with 660v after it traveled through a 45ft wood pole that he was holding. Wood has insulating qualities but is not an effective insulator, he was hit only for a few seconds and is now missing 3 toes where the power left his left foot. Ever seen a cartoon where someone is electrocuted and is smoking afterwards....not that far off. Google hot dog on a power line the hot dog is basicly flesh. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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