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DropDeadDave |
Suppressors
Mar 2 2011, 10:41 AM EST
I can't find a section on suppresors. Seems to me that there should be section on suppressors in accessories given that the sound of gunfire is is very likely to attract the attention of any zombies nearby.Now I know that it is impossible to completely silence a firearm but you can make them quiet enough so that the sound of the action of the gun is as loud or louder than the muzzle report. In my opinion this should be the #1 consideration in your choice of firearm for the inevitible zombie apocalypse. That said I'd like to share some of my thoughts on suppressing a firearm as much as possible and the pro's and cons of the various different options available for a "silent" firearm. Firstly I'd like to point out that I am of the humble opinion that the best choice for a primary firearm for zombie defense is a semi-auto rifle or carbine. Handguns not accurate enough over long range, shotguns are too noisy and shortrange, bolt/lever action rifles do have some advantages but the time taken to load the next round could ultimately cost your life. There are two factors that create most of noise when firing a gun; 1. The actual muzzle blast 2. the Supersonic crack over the bullet as it breaks the sound barrier. To eliminate the ballistic crack is easy - choose a round that is subsonic like the .45 ACP .380 ACP or the .300 whisper or 300 blackout.( there are many more that are subsom=nic I just don't know all of them ideally look for a round that travels at 1050ft/s or slower) You can get subsonic rounds in a lot of other calibers but you would usually have to pay more for the ammo. Also the dimunitive .22lr is such a smaller round that the ballistic crack would be relatively quiet anyway. The .45 is probably one of the most common subsonic rounds (always a good idea to choose a weapon that has a caliber where it will be easy to find more ammo for) has a lot of stopping power but rangei s< 200 yards. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?
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Sharpie41 |
1. RE: Suppressors
Mar 2 2011, 11:06 AM EST
Put a "Silencer" on a shotgun, it won't be loud......
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DropDeadDave |
2. RE: Suppressors
Mar 2 2011, 11:16 AM EST
Yeah you can put a "silencer" on a shotgun. Very big, very heavy, Can only fire slugs not buckshot, still not that quiet. That and even with the slugs still pretty loud and no long range accuracy.
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DropDeadDave |
3. RE: Suppressors
Mar 2 2011, 11:17 AM EST
The .300 whisper/blackout is a great subsonic round, a fairly large round, quiet, accurate to about 200 - 300 yards and the common or garden AR-15 can be modified to take them. The problem with them is they are a bit expensive and uncommon. So to complete my ramblings on here are some suggestions for a suppressed firearm.1) An AR-15 modified to fire .300 whisper/blackout rounds and fitted with a good suppressor. This will be expensive to there's redtape and technical hurdles to overcome but ticks all the boxes- quiet, powerful, accurate, 30 round mag. Only drawback is the expenisve and uncommon ammo- so stock up lots of ammo. 2) The Kriss vector SBR in .45 acp caliber fitted with it's own specific suppressor. One of the most innovative firearms out there. Powerful, 30 round mag but lacks accuracy over 100 yards and is a Very expensive gun. Mags can also be used in your Glock .45ACP. 2) The Delisle Comando- Perhaps one of the quitest firearms ever made. A WWII .45 ACP bolt action Carbine. The advantage of the bolt action is that it forces you to make every shot count the disadvantage is you have to manually load each round. The 10 round Mags can be used in 1911a. 4) Any semi-auto .22 rifle fitted with a good suppressor is going to be quiet- plus the ammo is very common and light so you can carry more rounds. The downside is a .22 won't do much damage. 5) A good crossbow fitted with a decent scope. OK, I know, it's not a firearm but it is quieter than any firearm and you can make/retrieve the ammo quiet easily, making it perhaps an essential backup weapon regardless how much guns/ammo you have. Also a lot of my suggestions here you are illegal, depending on which part of the world you live in, except for this last one. Hope you find my comment helpful Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
4. RE: Suppressors
Mar 2 2011, 11:17 AM EST
| Post edited: Mar 2 2011, 11:18 AM EST
"Yeah you can put a "silencer" on a shotgun. Very big, very heavy, Can only fire slugs not buckshot, still not that quiet. That and even with the slugs still pretty loud and no long range accuracy. "Shotguns are actually the easiest to "Silence" because they operate at such a low pressure 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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EastCoaster9000 |
5. RE: Suppressors
Mar 2 2011, 3:20 PM EST
Idk about you, but I'm pretty sure you're not going to find many threaded barrel shotguns fitted for a suppressor.And don't correct his statement. Suppressor, silencer, they can all be said and mean the same thing. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
6. RE: Suppressors
Mar 2 2011, 3:30 PM EST
"Idk about you, but I'm pretty sure you're not going to find many threaded barrel shotguns fitted for a suppressor.Have it threaded, I'm sure places like VangComp do that, or attach it without threads I know people say both but you can't completely "Silence" a firearm, though I admit I do sometimes use the words "Silencer" or "silenced" Do you find this valuable? |
SasquatchJim |
7. RE: Suppressors
Mar 2 2011, 6:13 PM EST
http://www.redjacketfirearms.com/suppressors/suppressors.htmlJust wanted to point out that these guys sell a suppressed Saiga. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
byates |
8. RE: Suppressors
Mar 2 2011, 11:06 PM EST
Check here for information on suppressors and making quiet ammohttp://guns.connect.fi/gow/gunwriters.html Some information in English, more in Finnish. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
VagabondVance |
9. RE: Suppressors
Mar 2 2011, 11:08 PM EST
"http://www.redjacketfirearms.com/suppressors/suppressors.htmlI'd like to point out, you are pointing out a shop that has it's own television show. Do you find this valuable? |
brandon_a_boyer |
10. RE: Suppressors
Mar 3 2011, 1:40 AM EST
I was under the impression that most suppressed shotguns have the can permanently mounted around the barrel. There is no reason that you couldn't use shot either. The only downfall is that you must use a pump action as the reduced pressure would prevent a semi-auto from cycling.
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duterfel |
11. RE: Suppressors
Mar 3 2011, 2:27 AM EST
A friend sent me this a while ago. I thought it was funny.http://www.cracked.com/article_18576_5-ridiculous-gun-myths-everyone-believes-thanks-to-movies_p2.html?fb_ref=articles_p1&fb_source=home_multiline 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DropDeadDave |
12. RE: Suppressors
Mar 4 2011, 5:32 AM EST
Yeah I know they should be called suppressors and not silencers but I am not really fussed too much. As far as shotguns go still not my first choice as a primary firearm for zombie defense. Look at how large and heavy a shotgun round is compared to a brass round. you can cary so much more ammo. Plus then shotguns don't have any long range capability and have a slow rate of fire compared to a semi-auto. I'll certainly admit though that when there's a large mob of zombies closing in all around you and you need get away quick nothing slows them down/blast them out off the way like a few blasts from a sawn off. I stand corrected on using shot - you can, sorry about that I was just under the impression that the shot would wreak the baffles inside the can. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Sharpie41 |
13. RE: Suppressors
Mar 4 2011, 9:24 AM EST
"Yeah I know they should be called suppressors and not silencers but I am not really fussed too much.Some sort of pistol cal. carbine would be my primary firearm, with a shotgun then a pistol as back-up While it is heavier you can do much more damage, it could (if they were close together) take out multiple zombies Do you find this valuable? |
Jackbrick101 |
14. RE: Suppressors
Mar 4 2011, 4:30 PM EST
"Firstly I'd like to point out that I am of the humble opinion that the best choice for a primary firearm for zombie defense is a semi-auto rifle or carbine. Handguns not accurate enough over long range, shotguns are too noisy and shortrange, bolt/lever action rifles do have some advantages but the time taken to load the next round could ultimately cost your life."I agree about having a semi-auto rifle or carbine, that would be my first choice as well. With Handguns, if you are focusing on surviving, why would you need to shoot zombies at 150+ yards and attract other zombies to your spot? The only scenario I think anyone would be in to have to shoot accurately at more than 150 yards would be to possibly save a fellow survivor from some zombies or to stop a zombie from contaminating a potential water source. You may also have to engage hostile raiders at a range. This is a tad off topic, just something I've been meaning to say. But back on the topic of suppressors, I agree. Suppressing a gun should be one of the top priorities, due to the attraction of zombies. I believe getting subsonic ammo would be quite difficult and near impossible when Z-Day comes around. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
15. RE: Suppressors
Mar 4 2011, 4:50 PM EST
"I agree about having a semi-auto rifle or carbine, that would be my first choice as well. With Handguns, if you are focusing on surviving, why would you need to shoot zombies at 150+ yards and attract other zombies to your spot? The only scenario I think anyone would be in to have to shoot accurately at more than 150 yards would be to possibly save a fellow survivor from some zombies or to stop a zombie from contaminating a potential water source. You may also have to engage hostile raiders at a range. This is a tad off topic, just something I've been meaning to say.Many of us plan to hand load after SHTF so just handload lower charges Do you find this valuable? |
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SasquatchJim |
16. RE: Suppressors
Mar 4 2011, 5:53 PM EST
"I'd like to point out, you are pointing out a shop that has it's own television show."I know. That's where I saw it at. Not saying it's necessarily good or bad, just saying it CAN be done and you can shoot buck out of it. Are there any other places that sell suppressed shotguns? Not that I want one; I'm just curious. Do you find this valuable? |
Whybother08 |
17. RE: Suppressors
Mar 4 2011, 8:11 PM EST
Of the many things I believe you could find post-apocalypse, I don't think a conventional suppressor is one of them.And the paperwork of getting one now isn't minimal by any definition. Do you find this valuable? |
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EastCoaster9000 |
18. RE: Suppressors
Mar 4 2011, 10:49 PM EST
"Of the many things I believe you could find post-apocalypse, I don't think a conventional suppressor is one of them.True. And even when you get them, they don't completely eliminate sound. You shouldn't really be shooting zombies all the time. Unless you actually plan to mow down hoards of the undead. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
chitoryu12 |
19. RE: Suppressors
Mar 5 2011, 2:12 PM EST
Okay, just providing a bit of historical information.The original commercial silencer was the Maxim Silencer from 1902. This is the copyrighted name, so YES, "silencer" is the original name for these devices. Legislative language refers to these devices as silencers. The term "suppressor" came about in the firearms community as a way of making their use more apparent, as they suppress the noise and flash without truly "silencing" the gun. In other words, "silencer" is the original term, with "suppressor" being a corrective term. Both of them are correct. Debate over. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
