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Markthegenius	Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 11 2011, 3:07 PM EST Suppose every radio and tv station is broadcasting that a nuclear attack is expected. It doesn't give an exact time, but names a local public fallout shelter. What would you do? Does your house or bug-in spot offer decent blast/radiation protection? Or would you drive like hell to the public shelter? I live in a suburb on the edge of a town, which itself is connected to a dense, very industrial city, about 8 miles from my house. My town has a small industrial estate about 4 miles from my house, which i think probably wouldn't be a target in an initial attack because of it's size. There are no military bases i know of for a good few miles, and that's just a barracks. I'm assuming that the city would be a target, as it's amoungst the most productive in the country i think (Coventry). Given this i would expect a broadcast of public shelter to be one based in Coventry. It is densely populated and i would expect most people to be on the road going towards it. I wouldn't be able to get anywhere fast and if there was a blast nearby i wouldn't want to be out in a car with thousands of pthers. So i'd probably stay put, and just make a flimsy shelter within my living room with furniture, mattresses etc. There's plenty of food here and i have fairly good supplies. Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: aaaahhhh! attack bug-in bug-out charles dickens flee kilimanjaro (sp) leg it lemmings Nike north koreans nuclear nuclear attack paddys. rhodeisans pakistanis panic polish Ronnie James Dio run away russians Sauron scousers spiders to many tags
Sharpie41	1. RE: Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 11 2011, 3:22 PM EST "Suppose every radio and tv station is broadcasting that a nuclear attack is expected. It doesn't give an exact time, but names a local public fallout shelter. What would you do? Does your house or bug-in spot offer decent blast/radiation protection? Or would you drive like hell to the public shelter? I live in a suburb on the edge of a town, which itself is connected to a dense, very industrial city, about 8 miles from my house. My town has a small industrial estate about 4 miles from my house, which i think probably wouldn't be a target in an initial attack because of it's size. There are no military bases i know of for a good few miles, and that's just a barracks. I'm assuming that the city would be a target, as it's amoungst the most productive in the country i think (Coventry). Given this i would expect a broadcast of public shelter to be one based in Coventry. It is densely populated and i would expect most people to be on the road going towards it. I wouldn't be able to get anywhere fast and if there was a blast nearby i wouldn't want to be out in a car with thousands of pthers. So i'd probably stay put, and just make a flimsy shelter within my living room with furniture, mattresses etc. There's plenty of food here and i have fairly good supplies." Probably bug out of town WTF is with your keyword tags? Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulred2	2. RE: Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 11 2011, 3:27 PM EST Now my knowledge of this stuff is limited, but the strenght of the initial blast and the negative effects and lasting power of the residual radiation thereafter vary dramatically from nuke to nuke, and can be controlled by the people who launch it in a number of ways. This, however, depends on two very controllable factors, ( the height at which the nuke is detonated, and the yield of the nuke ). The bigger the initial blast, the less serious the long-term effects of radiation etc will be. In other words, knowing these few facts, If you take a few seconds to think about it, you can make a good guess as to what this nuke is supposed to do, and how it will behave. And, consequently how you should behave. " This just in: the united states has vowed to contain this zombie outbreak in the most humane way possible " means an optimal initial blast from the epicentre of the outbreak, but if they've taken the effort to warn you, they'll give you some time to run away. AKA everything within 15k of ( roughly ) the centre of the outbreak will be dead in a short period of time, do consider driving away from it with haste. " Breaking news: Al quaeda have taken control of a nuclear missle silo and have targeted * your general area * " means you have no idea when or where the nuke will hit, and you can safely assume terrorists aren't up on their rocket-trajectory calculations, and you'll most likely get a dirty bomb that causes a lot of long term damage. Ie get to a shelter. be outside as little as possible until you get more info. so yes, as always, it depends on your situation. Your assessment of that situation, and the decisions you make at the time still make all the difference. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
randomknife666	3. RE: Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 11 2011, 3:28 PM EST Probably bug in, since im nowhere near anything of any strategic importance, unless they just want to disable our countries tourism. If however they did choose to target my area, I would use my quad/snowmachine (depending on the season) to get as far north as possible. The reason is that there are litteraly hundreds of trails i can take that no car can get through. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
nate121	4. RE: Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 11 2011, 3:56 PM EST to my grandparents house, immediately half of there basement is a fallout shelter, although it's currently used for storage we could probably clear it out in a few hours. there's a water cistern under the fallout shelter room. food would be a bit more tricky... i might add more later, need to think about this also, what to you mean by public shelter, like a makeshift set up that they threw together? or do you mean the cold-war era shelters that are no longer funded or maintained, and only had two weeks of crackers and water when they where in use? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
BigLoki	5. RE: Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 11 2011, 3:57 PM EST Nuclear attack? Hmmm... Well considering what I know of public shelters... I'm grabbing a 12 pack, a pair of sunglasses, and heading to the roof. Welcome to the end folks, it's been fun. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Markthegenius	6. RE: Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 11 2011, 4:23 PM EST " also, what to you mean by public shelter, like a makeshift set up that they threw together? or do you mean the cold-war era shelters that are no longer funded or maintained, and only had two weeks of crackers and water when they where in use?" I had in mind a decent, large, maintained fallout shelter. I know there's been a lot of work going on recently to proivde fallout shelters for the whole of the population of Moscow (so the russian government claimed) I wouldn't know if the US or UK would have any such ambitious projects, or if they would be public information until needed. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sharkai	7. RE: Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 11 2011, 6:15 PM EST I'd run a bath and stay where I am. I live in a rural enough area that my house will remain intact, however the nearby nuclear waste processing plant (sellafield) will probably be a target to cause maximum radiation damage. The water in the bath tub will be able to keep me alive until I die from the radiation. If I'm not dead then I'll round up some local livestock and attempt to grow some crops to survive. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Destructakor	8. RE: Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 11 2011, 8:58 PM EST Well since I live a long ways away from any big city (At least 100 miles to Burlington VT which is still a small city compared to the rest of the USA!) I think that I would be fine, just head to the basement or my (Zombie) Hunting Camp and wait it off. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
dakkadakka	9. RE: Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 11 2011, 10:42 PM EST Given that in an actual nuclear attack from an opposing nation, pre-warning time could be as little as 10 mins, or even none in the case of a "dirty" nuke that might be used by terrorists, Id probaly just stay in and except what comes. In all honesty, if you're within the blast radiace, or have been warned that an attack is iminent in your area, one can try to to get out or escape. But in the end, shelter or not, you're gona just end up as another flash burn stain on the wall. As far as Cold war tactics are concerned, the inital attack will be preceded by an EMP blast over the target area, which is ment to knock out any missle defence system. Unfortunalty, this also disables most forms of transportation along with most forms of electronic power. Which means, if your "shelter" runs off the grind for such things as air filtration and power, your, to be frank, screwed. Further more, the intense heat and raditation from the blast from most types of nuclear weapons is so powerful, most public access shelters do not have adeqeute protection. I dont want to sound like a downer, but as Ive said, I personaly will not even try to run. I may even pull the trigger before the bomb hits, because dieing slowly from raditation poisening or flash burns would be worse. Then again, living with the blindness causeed by actualy witnessing the blast could be even worse then even those. I believe the ONLY saftey from a nuclear strike is to be as far away from urban civilazation as possible. Which is probaly why alot of people buged out, and stayed buged out, during the Cold War. This site disease.net did have some very good info on all sorts of WMD attack statistics, but as far as i can tell it's been taken down. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
nate121	10. RE: Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 12 2011, 8:49 AM EST dakkadakka, you have to differentiate between blast shelters and fallout shelters. a blast shelter is what the military and government will use for themselves, many military ones are meant to withstand a relatively large nuclear explosive as little as one mile away. a fallout shelter protects you from fallout radiation until it decays. not the blast, which would shred most fallout shelters also nukes won't be falling every where, for most areas away from a probable target a fallout shelter is adequate. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	11. RE: Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 12 2011, 5:10 PM EST When looking at surviving a nuclear attack, what is going to count is distance from the centre of the blast, and amount of material between you and the outside world. You need 2 feet of concrete for a shelter to reduce the radiation by a factor of 1024. But that won't do much good if the blast is so powerful you still get a dose of 1 Sievert inside the shelter. Do a little research on nuclear blasts, radiation posioning, Sievert scales and likely targets in your area. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
randomknife666	12. RE: Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 12 2011, 5:18 PM EST "When looking at surviving a nuclear attack, what is going to count is distance from the centre of the blast, and amount of material between you and the outside world. You need 2 feet of concrete for a shelter to reduce the radiation by a factor of 1024. But that won't do much good if the blast is so powerful you still get a dose of 1 Sievert inside the shelter. Do a little research on nuclear blasts, radiation posioning, Sievert scales and likely targets in your area." PedroAsani, you've got to be THE most intelligent person I know, both on this sight or off. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Flashlight50	13. RE: Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 12 2011, 11:56 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 13 2011, 12:04 AM EST My plan depends on where and when the reports are coming from. If I have time I will get to my gun store. It is stocked with everything I and up to 18 others will need for at least 1 year. If the nuke is going to be close, then I will get to my daughter and as much as my family as fast as possible. So that we can live our last hours or minutes together. I have a bomb shelter under my gun store, but if a nuke hits within 10 miles, it won't mean anything. It will be to close and the amount of radiation will be to high no matter what I do. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
randomknife666	14. RE: Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 13 2011, 12:15 AM EST I'm envious of the fact that you own a gun store, and if for some odd reason a nuke was to target my area, I would likely do the same as you and get together with my family, might actually call my father and make up with him, we've never got along. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Markthegenius	15. RE: Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 13 2011, 5:52 AM EDT Hmmm, a gun store with a bunker....Badass! Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
inu-dude25	16. RE: Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 14 2011, 7:27 PM EDT Seeing as most fallout shelters are really useless if you're within the blast and fallout zones, I'd be bugging out. Even a fairly small megaton device could engulf most of Philly, and would probably spread out enough to hit my area, either directly or through fallout. Add in the refineries ten minutes away, and I'd be hauling ass outta here as quick as I could. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Frag-12	17. RE: Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 15 2011, 10:30 AM EDT \| Post edited: Mar 15 2011, 10:38 AM EDT "Seeing as most fallout shelters are really useless if you're within the blast and fallout zones, I'd be bugging out. Even a fairly small megaton device could engulf most of Philly, and would probably spread out enough to hit my area, either directly or through fallout. " Depends on the yield, if the weapon is air detonated or ground contact detonated, and prevailing winds. Make sure there is no power in your electronic devices or they are shielded. Then bug out carrying those iodine tablets to give your thyroid a fighting chance if contamination is imminent and not too overwhelming. Iodine will do you no good if the radiation is too high. You have a better chance of surviving a nuclear weapon strike or whatever if it is low yield, ground detonated, you are up wind, and you are far enough away from ground zero in a large city. This is why most nuclear weapons are high yield and air detonated to insure absolute destruction of a city or region. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
DLOWTHEMAD	18. RE: Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 15 2011, 12:46 PM EDT "WTF is with your keyword tags?" I laughed sooo hard at the keywords for this thread.... Souron, Rodney James Dio, Charles Dickens, and Nike... Priceless Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
inu-dude25	19. RE: Bug-out or in after hearing of an imminent nuclear attack? Mar 15 2011, 12:53 PM EDT "Depends on the yield, if the weapon is air detonated or ground contact detonated, and prevailing winds. Make sure there is no power in your electronic devices or they are shielded. Then bug out carrying those iodine tablets to give your thyroid a fighting chance if contamination is imminent and not too overwhelming. Iodine will do you no good if the radiation is too high. You have a better chance of surviving a nuclear weapon strike or whatever if it is low yield, ground detonated, you are up wind, and you are far enough away from ground zero in a large city. This is why most nuclear weapons are high yield and air detonated to insure absolute destruction of a city or region. " Put it this way, I'm fifteen minutes from the Navy yard in Phily, about twenty from the real downtown, business areas. Unless it's a device with very contaminated enriched material, it's probably bail before the hit or die, either from the blast, the fallout, or the firestorm of the refineries exploding. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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