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EastCoaster9000	Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Mar 23 2011, 9:01 PM EDT \| Post edited: May 5 2011, 10:01 PM EDT EDIT: So essentially the main point being, our military has masses of weapons and mankilling capabilities, from the trained soldier to the airborne missile. The movies always portray the military in dissarray, not being able to contain the mess. Well, can they? Post reply 28 out of 30 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
EastCoaster9000	1. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Mar 23 2011, 9:04 PM EDT \| Post edited: May 5 2011, 10:00 PM EDT ^^^ Post reply 7 out of 20 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
EastCoaster9000	2. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Mar 23 2011, 9:09 PM EDT \| Post edited: May 5 2011, 9:59 PM EDT ^^^ Post reply 7 out of 18 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
timberrattler	3. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Mar 23 2011, 9:11 PM EDT \| Post edited: Mar 23 2011, 9:12 PM EDT Congratulations EastCoaster9000. You're a regular military genius! West Point is calling your name! Post reply 20 out of 22 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
EastCoaster9000	4. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Mar 23 2011, 9:12 PM EDT \| Post edited: May 5 2011, 9:59 PM EDT ^^^ Post reply 5 out of 13 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
EastCoaster9000	5. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Mar 23 2011, 9:15 PM EDT \| Post edited: May 5 2011, 9:59 PM EDT ^^^ Post reply 3 out of 15 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
chitoryu12	6. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Mar 23 2011, 9:21 PM EDT Modern society is actually going to be at an advantage against zombies due to the sheer amount of media depicting them. As soon as someone sees a bloody corpse shambling toward them, they'll think "Zombie!" and aim for the head. Especially if a few rounds to the torso do nothing. It won't take long for word to spread. Post reply 11 out of 11 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Whybother08	7. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Mar 23 2011, 9:21 PM EDT Roll over masses of undead? I don't think so. If they did that (they probably wouldn't), I think it would be more likely that something would get jammed up, leaving the crew inside to fight it out with the ammo they have, and if Zack still isn't gone, they have the choice of either opening the hatches to let zombies in or die in the vehicle to dehydration. Not saying this would happen too often, some vehicles carry quite a considerable amount of ammunition. For example, if what I read was correct, an Abrams tank has something around 4000 rounds loaded and ready to go in it's coaxial M240, with another 7-something thousand rounds at the ready. 11,000 rounds. In ONE of it's machine-guns. Cruise missiles and airstrikes, I agree, would be quite potent at keeping Zack down, but how long could they keep it up with a supply line under what could quite possibly be a constant attack? Post reply 8 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
EastCoaster9000	8. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Mar 23 2011, 9:33 PM EDT "Roll over masses of undead? I don't think so. If they did that (they probably wouldn't), I think it would be more likely that something would get jammed up, leaving the crew inside to fight it out with the ammo they have, and if Zack still isn't gone, they have the choice of either opening the hatches to let zombies in or die in the vehicle to dehydration. Not saying this would happen too often, some vehicles carry quite a considerable amount of ammunition. For example, if what I read was correct, an Abrams tank has something around 4000 rounds loaded and ready to go in it's coaxial M240, with another 7-something thousand rounds at the ready. 11,000 rounds. In ONE of it's machine-guns. Cruise missiles and airstrikes, I agree, would be quite potent at keeping Zack down, but how long could they keep it up with a supply line under what could quite possibly be a constant attack?" Okay maybe not masses, but certainly they can roll over some. And as for supply lines, that is a good point. They can run of out of bombs eventually. There are bases stationed on islands around the world. Perhaps these can provide the supplies necessary. Post reply 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
toxic_shock	9. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Mar 23 2011, 10:02 PM EDT The only way the military won't be able to stop a zombie outbreak is if its airborne. Or if bureaucratic bullsh!t gets in the way. Post reply 9 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Carnack	10. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Mar 23 2011, 10:12 PM EDT \| Post edited: Mar 23 2011, 10:13 PM EDT ...Assuming that things got bad enough that the military would need to be called in we are talking a rather large hunk of populace in a rather congested area being infected. I don't see things ending well since we'll also have the human populace trying to get away. Unless it is caught very early the military would being restricted very quickly. Post reply 2 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
DonovanRichter	11. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Mar 25 2011, 10:52 AM EDT But-but the military will be too busy fighting the aliens.... =_= Post reply 9 out of 15 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
x-wolfhunter	12. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Mar 25 2011, 3:38 PM EDT "If they did that (they probably wouldn't), I think it would be more likely that something would get jammed up, leaving the crew inside to fight it out with the ammo they have, and if Zack still isn't gone, they have the choice of either opening the hatches to let zombies in or die in the vehicle to dehydration." Because the military would abandon them to die. At the very least, they'd drop off supplies. And could a zombie really climb to the top of the tank and wait at the hatch for it to open? Would it even know that the hatch opens to fresh meat? I think the zombie would lose interest in a tank; It's just a metal killing machine to them. They don't know that anyone's in there. Post reply 9 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
LJ126	13. RE: Military v. Zombies (The Real Odds) Mar 25 2011, 3:49 PM EDT I'm going to be totally honest - real life professional soldiers with even a basic supply chain would mow down traditional zombies - the slow George A. Romero or ZSG zombies - like gangbusters. There would be absolutely no contest. Something I've been rethinking is the effectiveness of incendiary weapons. Sure, the ZSG says that it'll just make flaming zombies, but I don't think that muscle tissue would be capable of functioning in extreme temperatures - at some point, it would just sear, and then begin to melt away... I think a flaming zombie would be halted in seconds and completely succumb to the flames in minutes. Post reply 7 out of 12 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
BlueFalconFlying	14. RE: Military v. Zombies (The Real Odds) Mar 25 2011, 4:10 PM EDT military would fail horribly. at some time the outbreak will get so extreme they would be forced to go rogue. think about a city like L.A. or N.Y. If a small military unit wanted to they could hold up and defend themselves. but an all out offensive... i dont think so. Go nuclear!!! lmao Post reply 5 out of 12 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
IrishHitman	15. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Mar 25 2011, 4:13 PM EDT The issue isn't that the military couldn't potentially handle the situation, the problem is as follows. 1. The families of the military personnel are going to be under threat, on base or otherwise. Tends to shape the priorities of the soldiers. 2. The ability of the modern military to sustain warfare requires a smooth supply chain, which relies on civilians. Civilian life would be severely disrupted by any crisis such as this. 3. The military's capability to use its force requires political authorisation, which may or may not be forthcoming due to public pressure, economic considerations etc. While I'm not suggesting that the political leadership would withhold all military assets, they aren't likely to order what is necessary as the first resort, which means it would be too late otherwise. Post reply 15 out of 17 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
chitoryu12	16. RE: Military v. Zombies (The Real Odds) Mar 25 2011, 4:23 PM EDT "military would fail horribly. at some time the outbreak will get so extreme they would be forced to go rogue. think about a city like L.A. or N.Y. If a small military unit wanted to they could hold up and defend themselves. but an all out offensive... i dont think so. Go nuclear!!! lmao" Why? Post reply 7 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
BlueFalconFlying	17. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Mar 25 2011, 4:26 PM EDT \| Post edited: Mar 25 2011, 4:27 PM EDT "The issue isn't that the military couldn't potentially handle the situation, the problem is as follows. 1. The families of the military personnel are going to be under threat, on base or otherwise. Tends to shape the priorities of the soldiers. 2. The ability of the modern military to sustain warfare requires a smooth supply chain, which relies on civilians. Civilian life would be severely disrupted by any crisis such as this. 3. The military's capability to use its force requires political authorisation, which may or may not be forthcoming due to public pressure, economic considerations etc. While I'm not suggesting that the political leadership would withhold all military assets, they aren't likely to order what is necessary as the first resort, which means it would be too late otherwise." True. and think about how long it will take national guard to mobilize. Will they move faster than the virus can spread? Hell, the outbreak may happen so fast we dont even realize whats going on. Media will portray it as civil unrest and rioting, not that there is a undead virus ravaging through the streets and spreading like wildfire. They wont even know. Post reply 7 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
BlueFalconFlying	18. RE: Military v. Zombies (The Real Odds) Mar 25 2011, 4:31 PM EDT \| Post edited: Mar 25 2011, 4:33 PM EDT "Why?" ok lets think about this. highly populated city is coordend off. how will we id the threats when everyone is running and screaming? will there be physical indications to an infected person.realisticly you would be gunned down running for help if you are in an area with a high threat. Not like they are going to let a a large group of people just run up to the positions or vehicles. and a intense state of panic, people will be going nuts. Post reply 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
PedroAsani	19. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Mar 25 2011, 5:27 PM EDT Military trained for headshots? And I thought it was centre mass. Mortars, artillery and cruise missiles are not designed for infantry, so whilst they might make a big bang, the area of effect is pretty small, and the number of kills will not be as great as you think. Zombies probably won't huddle together as other enemy under fire from troops. Tanks might be armoured all over, but the underside is the weakest point. That's why mines and IEDs are so effective against them. Would a zombie be able to damage something on the underside and render the tank immobile? Possibly. Ask a tank driver. How many military personnel are you thinking about in this fight, and how many zombies? One squad of infantry versus ten thousand zombies wouldn't end well for the squad. The military isn't located in one well defended place. They have bases all over the world. Spread about, their numbers are not so good. We are not talking about 1,000,000 people vs 20,000,000 zombies. We are talking about pockets of people versus however many zombies are in the local population. Remember what zombies have on their side: numbers. And for every person they kill, they add to their ranks. Work out what kind of ratio you expect to see in the dead/surviving/zombie populations, and you have something to work with. Post reply 13 out of 17 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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