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shadowmancer	1540. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Jul 14 2012, 4:40 AM EDT "But 6? The odds are definitely in the zeds favor for this scenario." lol you got my objection dead on 6 is a strange number indeed. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
zombiezombiemax	1541. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Jul 14 2012, 7:26 PM EDT i dont think the military can fight off the entire hoard because we are talking about most of all the countries in the world will be infected Post reply Do you find this valuable?
11ACRBlackhorse	1542. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Jul 14 2012, 8:45 PM EDT "i dont think the military can fight off the entire hoard because we are talking about most of all the countries in the world will be infected " And in every country their citizens, police, and military will be fighting it. From the day it starts people will be defending themselves from Zombies. The idea people won't defend themselves and or family/others isn't realistic. And even if most don't fight they will flee to safety or safer areas. So counting whole populations as infected isn't realistic. And once it's known how it's spread there will be a huge change of tactics and the first step to controlling or eradicating it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
tommyfun	1543. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Jul 18 2012, 4:22 PM EDT I say we bumb this and also, DDMP, you are completly biased Post reply Do you find this valuable?
tommyfun	1544. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Jul 18 2012, 4:31 PM EDT I say we bump this and also, DDMP, you are completely biased Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ManoCrowbar	1545. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Jul 22 2012, 12:24 AM EDT "Are you in the military? We have all of those, with various helipads and units across the base. Security is tight, I'm an MP its kinda my job to make sure it is. " could you guy's plz stop pissing the marine off? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
CDSm101-800s	1546. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Aug 28 2012, 2:17 AM EDT "ACR, you gotta keep in mind, this is a place of opinions. We're all different, we all think different, we all have different points of view, etc. That's what makes this place so great. For example: I'm active duty military, and I still believe there's a greater-than-minimal chance for things not to be handled as they should be, as quickly as necessary. If you look at from the 'original' movie viewpoint, it doesn't matter if you get bitten. If you die, you come back as a zombie. "When there is no more room in Hell, the dead will walk the Earth." That means our numbers keep going down, and theirs keep going up. Even it is transferred by bite, look at the borders we share. You think if Mexico got infected, they'd be able to handle? So not only are we dealing with an internal threat, from potentially many places, but we've got a huge border to worry about. Think about small towns. Maybe they've only got one or two uniformed officer types. They may not want to believe what they see, and now you've got 20 or more zombies traversing the countryside. The idea behind zombies is that they can multiply so quickly. It doesn't even take a bit. An scratch, open wound, gore gets in your eye or mouth, boom, infected. All I'm trying to say is, we have no idea how things will go down, and as such, it's pure hubris to think that we'd stomp the zombie plague in 12 seconds flat, and it's that hubris that has lead many a superior force to its doom. And yet, if I don't think we'd definitely win, I also don't think it'd be unsurvivable. There are those who have amazing immune systems. There are those isolated enough. There are those determined enough. Nothing is black and white, especially when it's something we've never actually seen." Agreed.. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
CDSm101-800s	1547. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Aug 28 2012, 2:53 AM EDT Wow. This thread has gone off the deep end. To say 6 seals or any military unit to fight off 100 zombies would depend greatly on the facts of the engagement. If surrounded on all sides, if they are able to fall back while engaging, distance firefight starts, amount of ammo carried at time of combat, knowledge of what they are fighting, types of weapons carried and intel of the surrounding area and resources. Even the differences between shamblers and ragers comes into play. So many factors play into this. Either way, I would not want to be part of the team that ends up fighting this 100. Heck no idea if gunfire would attract more of them. They soon could be up to thier necks in zombies.. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
shadowmancer	1548. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Aug 28 2012, 6:30 AM EDT yup it is insane here lol ah well whatcha going to do? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
CDSm101-800s	1549. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Aug 28 2012, 9:40 PM EDT "yup it is insane here lol ah well whatcha going to do? " Ah insanity... oddly enough.. feels like... like... home? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
tommyfun	1550. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Sep 4 2012, 5:09 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 4 2012, 5:09 PM EDT "Ah insanity... oddly enough.. feels like... like... home? " True true, you have to be insane to bee on this wiki, no offence to everyone... Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
cj1977	1551. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Sep 9 2012, 12:24 AM EDT When the U.S. loses it's infrastructure, the military might act independently. Securing large bases will be difficult. Most bases do not have tall thick walls surrounding them. It would be best to stay away from these heavily populated areas. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DevilNuts	1552. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Sep 9 2012, 12:22 PM EDT "When the U.S. loses it's infrastructure, the military might act independently." What do you mean "when the US loses its infrastructure?" How does that matter? And the US military cannot act independently, at least not very effectively or for long - we are too dependent on outside logistical support to run without it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
zombiezlayer	1553. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Sep 10 2012, 9:31 AM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 10 2012, 9:33 AM EDT "What do you mean "when the US loses its infrastructure?" How does that matter? And the US military cannot act independently, at least not very effectively or for long - we are too dependent on outside logistical support to run without it." I highly doubt the military would act independently, like Devil said it would not be sustainable for very long. Now if he means that small squads or platoons would go rouge, that could be plausible and may very well happen. But I think the more reasonable reaction would be: once the orders stop coming in from higher MACOMs or the orders seem unlawful then you will have people leaving to go protect their families and friends. I'm telling you as an Army Staff Sergeant, if I started getting suicide missing orders or no orders at all and the world is quickly going to hell I will be heading out to protect my family. I am not going to risk them dying while I am trying to protect someone else. Call me dishonorable if you like, but I'm sure I won't be the only one. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
DevilNuts	1554. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Sep 11 2012, 11:31 AM EDT " I'm telling you as an Army Staff Sergeant, if I started getting suicide missing orders or no orders at all and the world is quickly going to hell I will be heading out to protect my family. I am not going to risk them dying while I am trying to protect someone else. Call me dishonorable if you like, but I'm sure I won't be the only one. " No worries, Army Staff Sergeant! Myself and anyone else who takes the oath seriously will pick up the slack. Relax, take care of your family. Ive got this. Anyone who puts on the uniform should understand that to make an omelette you have to break some eggs, and that we are those eggs. If you cant handle that, dont reenlist. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Phantom1314	1555. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Sep 11 2012, 11:32 AM EDT Fairly new to this site, so forgive me for not reading every post on all 78 pages, but I would like to add to this discussion some. These are the advantages. Being raised in a mil family and soon to join, I am biased when talking about our military. The US military, unlike most nations, has been training for close quarter combat for almost a decade now, very little in combat of force against force. This is in preparation for deployment to Iraq and Afghanistan. Because of this, the US military would have an advantage at the start for now, having spent years training to fight an enemy close up, ambushes, and a variety of terrain. We also are a very fluid force in the sense of command, unlike most European nations and other countries, we train each soldier to be able to know the job of the man appointed over him. This allows for the unit to continue functioning if the commanding officer is down, and if his next in command is down, etc. Also, snipers are in high demand in the military, as CQC (close quarters combat) as been the main combat, snipers are becoming more of a presence. Lastly, the American soldier has very rarely fought on his home turf, our military is extremely patriotic and if encountered in a scenario where they are fighting for their homeland, they will do so with far more strength and power then we have seen. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Phantom1314	1556. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Sep 11 2012, 11:33 AM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 11 2012, 11:35 AM EDT Disadvantages. Headshots are extremely hard, made even more so by a shambling zombie. Impersonate a Zombie and you will notice you tend to move your head side to side. This is why the military trains for center mass-body shots. Even snipers train for that. Far more likely to hit the target. Also, numbers. These numbers are from the US Census Bureau online, easily accessed by anyone. As of 2009, there were 1,088,465 total active duty members in the US military, spanning all services, and 819,318 in the reserves and National Guard also spanning all services. To make numbers easy, say there are 2 mil total paid warriors in America. These numbers get less every year as the military shrinks from budget cuts. As of right now, September 2012, according to the Census Bureau, there are 314,351,937 citizens in America. If ever citizen, non military member was to turn into a zombie, that is a 156/1 ratio. When you consider the amount of people who will not get bit, the possibility of Canadians and Mexicans who are infected traveling down or up to us respectably, and the military members who will also be infected, that ratio will vary a bit. Say its 100/1, that is just to break even then, and all America is extinct of human-zombie life. Very daunting numbers. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
11ACRBlackhorse	1557. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Sep 11 2012, 2:58 PM EDT Phantom post 1556 To count the whole civilian population as turned is unrealistic. From the start people, LE, and military personnel will defend themselves and eliminate zeds. All them gun owners won't just sit there to be lunch. The Florida face eating incident shows how this will be handled in lots of the world by LE. Military trained to hit center mass? Yes but are taught to switch to head shots since ballistic armor isn't new. With modern sights, targeting and hitting targets will be easier. So your numbers aren't realistic. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Phantom1314	1558. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Sep 11 2012, 5:18 PM EDT Correct on the numbers, I was showing the odds are stacked against the military alone being able to take on the zom poc and winning without help. The military consists of a very very small part of society in America, and as such are vastly out numbered, as the numbers show. And yes, targeting and hitting a target is easier with modern sights such as red-dot and others, but still a difficult shot considering the majority of humans and would be zombies are of different heights, the head in general is a small and hardened target that moves around. The military, if it realized that only head shots could stop them in time, would change their tactics to include this. It would take time thought to pass this on to everyone, (my thought basis here being that since major cities would be infected, access to instant communication around America such as the internet and phone could be hampered or down) and as time passed the zombies would increase. Yes, most gun owners and civilians would also join in the fight, I say most because some will 'opt out'. I decided not to think about them on purpose in this thread and focus solely on the military v. zombie aspect of it all. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
shadowmancer	1559. RE: Military v. Zombies(The Real Odds) Sep 11 2012, 6:53 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 11 2012, 6:57 PM EDT "What do you mean "when the US loses its infrastructure?" How does that matter?" I was musing on that myself Devil I wonder what he means. I can guess on a few things. If the USA loses its transportation network: The military will run out of supplies even the best soldiers need food and ammo to fight. This version would be a logistical problem which may be overcome by air power. If the US loses its industrial system: The US will be faced with critical material shortage as they can no longer replace what is spent. This would mean the entire global industrial system or allied and neutral industrial system is gone so the earth is pretty much fubar at that point so yes they would lose. They can stay in the fight as long as they have supplies. If allied nations or nations which are willing and able to trade exist they will purchase it and it will be delivered to the nearest airport, sea port or rail depot and then distributed to the troops. If they cannot secure foreign produced munitions they have two further options that I can think of could come into play once the US stockpile is exhausted 1) Confiscation or donation of civilian ammunition. I can see the US gun population choosing to give up their surplus arms and ammunition to the military willingly as they have done this before. In the Second World War civilian donations from the States played a huge part in the arming of the British home guard and initial reequip of the British army after Dunkirk. If they did this for another nation I am willing to wager they’d do it for their homeland. 2) Useless caliber recycling and impressed reloading equipment. The USA has quite a large amount of reloading tools some creative commanders may use this and an army of volunteers and support personnel to keep them in the fight longer. This would be a spotted effort at best but it would keep a military in small arms munitions to some degree for a considerable amount of time. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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