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P0LaND
P0LaND
20. RE: Dispose that body
Mar 31 2011, 11:48 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 31 2011, 11:48 PM EDT
"Burying hundreds if not thousands of dead, rotting corpses even "miles" away is not good enough. You have to worry about contaminating the ground water. You have to worry about water run off and seepage...and thats if they were just normal dead.

Zombies may be even more infectious that the average corpse. I say they must be burned. There is not other alternative.

Either simplistic or highly complex...my solar incinerator idea is fesible. The factility literaly kills two birds with one 1200 degree stone. That kind of heat will easily cremate dozens of corpses at the same time...but it will also generate electrical power by doing so.

The power created could easily power the nearly fully automated process. We are talking about simple chutes, revolving turnstyle type doors or mechanical seperation gates...and an air powered oversized sledgehammer activated by a laser break or presure plate to finish the job.

Gas, diesel, propane or wood could be used to keep the fire burning throughout the night...which will allow you to keep burning corpses and still generate steam power. "
Unless the virus is a water-borne threat, and I feel like we would know whether it was, I don't believe we should have to worry about the infection getting into the groundwater.

Not to mention, if we bury, we'll have deliciously nutrient packed soil in a few years...haha.
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galioth4444
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21. RE: Depose of splatter
Apr 1 2011, 12:02 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 1 2011, 12:02 AM EDT
First time post,

I had a slightly different thought. Assume one got into your BOL, and you shot it in the head no problem. But now you have bits of zed all over what ever supplies or equipment happened to be behind it. Not only that but now its bleeding all over the floor and whatever happens to be on the floor.

How would you clean up after that in a safe manor.

P.S. I thought it was kind of funny. using dead bodies to run a power plant. The ultimate renewable energy in a zombie apocalypse.
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duterfel
duterfel
22. RE: Depose of splatter
Apr 1 2011, 1:26 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 1 2011, 1:26 AM EDT
Generating electrical power from corpses is possible...if you put forward the effort. Brandon thinks this type of instilation would take too much time to construct. I say...I got nothing but time...and all kinds of effort.

Come Z-day...I would probably build a small scale version to test the fesibility of the concept.

I would also like to add thermite into the mix. Thermite (as we all know) burns very freakin hot. The primary materials needed to make the stuff are readily availible and the substance can be manufactured in very large amounts safely.
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P0LaND
P0LaND
23. RE: Depose of splatter
Apr 1 2011, 9:51 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 1 2011, 9:51 AM EDT
Possible, maybe. But there should be a lot more work to be done than I think you're getting at.

Stuff like making sure you have food to eat.
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randomknife666
randomknife666
24. RE: Dispose that body
Apr 1 2011, 10:05 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 1 2011, 10:05 AM EDT
"Burying hundreds if not thousands of dead, rotting corpses even "miles" away is not good enough. You have to worry about contaminating the ground water. You have to worry about water run off and seepage...and thats if they were just normal dead.

Zombies may be even more infectious that the average corpse. I say they must be burned. There is not other alternative.

Either simplistic or highly complex...my solar incinerator idea is fesible. The factility literaly kills two birds with one 1200 degree stone. That kind of heat will easily cremate dozens of corpses at the same time...but it will also generate electrical power by doing so.

The power created could easily power the nearly fully automated process. We are talking about simple chutes, revolving turnstyle type doors or mechanical seperation gates...and an air powered oversized sledgehammer activated by a laser break or presure plate to finish the job.

Gas, diesel, propane or wood could be used to keep the fire burning throughout the night...which will allow you to keep burning corpses and still generate steam power. "
Or we could simplify that process and just power a conveyor belt that is walled in that heads straight into the incinerator.
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randomknife666
randomknife666
25. RE: Depose of splatter
Apr 1 2011, 10:08 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 1 2011, 10:08 AM EDT
"Possible, maybe. But there should be a lot more work to be done than I think you're getting at.

Stuff like making sure you have food to eat."
You could build the materials in that time where it is to dark to safely farm, but not late enough where you need to go to sleep, and set them up before the days work starts.
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PedroAsani
PedroAsani
26. RE: Depose of splatter
Apr 1 2011, 1:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 1 2011, 1:49 PM EDT
Dig a deep pit. Build a fire using dry grass, plenty of wood and other flammables (preferably renewable. You will be doing this often.) Suit up in whatever you can use as hazmat gear. Get the corpses in the pit, light the grass.

Best done by preparing it during the day, and lighting at dawn the next day. It takes a long time for bodies to burn, and you don't want a fire acting like a signal beacon for every zombie and Raider for miles around.
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P0LaND
P0LaND
27. RE: Depose of splatter
Apr 1 2011, 3:27 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 1 2011, 3:27 PM EDT
"Best done by preparing it during the day, and lighting at dawn the next day. It takes a long time for bodies to burn, and you don't want a fire acting like a signal beacon for every zombie and Raider for miles around."
This is something I would never have thought of.
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duterfel
duterfel
28. RE: Depose of splatter
Apr 2 2011, 1:21 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 2 2011, 1:21 AM EDT
"Best done by preparing it during the day, and lighting at dawn the next day. It takes a long time for bodies to burn, and you don't want a fire acting like a signal beacon for every zombie and Raider for miles around."
Raiders? I'm not scared of no raiders. I'll just turn the focused beam of solar energy on them. A refracting lens or a polished mirror should do the trick. That should give them all a real nice sun tan a few hundred yards out. At the very least...the raiders won't be able to see whats coming for them. If they aren't burnt...they will be sun blind for sure.

At night...well...I guess we'll just have to shoot them...indiscriminatly...and with brutal precision.
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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
29. RE: Depose of splatter
Apr 2 2011, 3:08 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 2 2011, 3:08 AM EDT
It's a matter of priorities to me really. I'm not going to spend days trying to construct a giant solar oven which ultimately isn't practical. I'd much rather spend that time on food, shelter, and defenses.

The solar portion alone would be an absurd undertaking, let alone a giant hammer and a conveyer belt, and not to mention trying to focus the beam to hit distant targets.

its just not practical.

Burning or burying, quick, and easy.
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randomknife666
randomknife666
30. RE: Depose of splatter
Apr 2 2011, 3:15 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 2 2011, 3:15 AM EDT
"It's a matter of priorities to me really. I'm not going to spend days trying to construct a giant solar oven which ultimately isn't practical. I'd much rather spend that time on food, shelter, and defenses.

The solar portion alone would be an absurd undertaking, let alone a giant hammer and a conveyer belt, and not to mention trying to focus the beam to hit distant targets.

its just not practical.

Burning or burying, quick, and easy."
Focus the beam on a central chamber, and use the conveyor belts to send the undead straight into it, rather than kill them beforehand, have them die while trapped inside the solar oven, takes up almost no resources, and creates electricity for your colony at the same time. But yeah, burning would probably be the most practical.
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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
31. RE: Depose of splatter
Apr 2 2011, 3:37 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 2 2011, 3:37 AM EDT
So how big in diameter would this beam have to be you think? What sort of concentration of energy would you need to achieve the temperature to burn a body? based on that wattage, how big of a collector would you need? what would the focal length for the lenses need to be? What material is your collector made from? Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
32. RE: Depose of splatter
Apr 2 2011, 9:18 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 2 2011, 9:18 AM EDT
"Raiders? I'm not scared of no raiders. I'll just turn the focused beam of solar energy on them. A refracting lens or a polished mirror should do the trick. That should give them all a real nice sun tan a few hundred yards out. At the very least...the raiders won't be able to see whats coming for them. If they aren't burnt...they will be sun blind for sure.

At night...well...I guess we'll just have to shoot them...indiscriminatly...and with brutal precision. "
Duterfel, do you have any schematics for this thing you are proposing? I am not convinced that you will get the energy needed for this without a large array of mirrors. The solar tower in Seville needs 600 panels, and the temperatures it outputs are around 250 Celcius.

Also, aiming a large mirror at your enemies will surely have them shoot at it, and since you want ot keep this intact, may not be the best idea.
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Sekirio
33. RE: Depose of splatter
Apr 2 2011, 10:28 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 2 2011, 10:28 AM EDT
Slightly off the "super solar z-cooker"thread, but relevant to the original post, in Stephen King's book The Stand, following a plague wiping out most of humanity, the survivors went for a mass grave approach, wrapping the infected corpses en masse in giant sheets of plastic and pushing into a pit with a bulldozer. Depending on the number of bodies to be burned it may not be practical, I mean have you seen the size of the funeral pyres the Hindus use in India just for a few bodies - no point just ending up with piles of semi cooked zombie corpses. Sorry bout the wall'o text - I' typing on a iPad. Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
34. RE: Depose of splatter
Apr 2 2011, 10:36 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 2 2011, 10:36 AM EDT
You only need to worry about the bodies around you. If your BOL is far enough away from large population centres, then you are only dealing with the zombies that stray into your path.

You are looking at hopefully just a few hundred at any one time. Pyres are suitable for this, provided you have enough flammable material to sustain combustion.

The cities will be full of decomposing corpses for about a year for those exposed to the elements, and up to three years for those in confined areas. Yet another reason scavenging will suck. Imagine trying to scavenge a house that smells of bloated corpses.
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duterfel
duterfel
35. RE: Depose of splatter
Apr 2 2011, 10:53 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 2 2011, 10:55 AM EDT
"Also, aiming a large mirror at your enemies will surely have them shoot at it, and since you want ot keep this intact, may not be the best idea."
I do have an idea of how it would be built and how it would work. i have done some reserch and I do believe that it is possible.

Generally...100 parabolic solar dishes of 12.5 square meters can generate about 400 kg of steam per hour. You would have to burn more than 1,000 kg of wood to generate that kind of steam.

As for cremation...one 50 square meter dish (or solar collector) creates enough heat to cremate bodies. It would take 200-300 kg of wood to burn just one body. So the time you save not bilding this solar plant will be wasted cutting wood all day long.

Now in the absence of properly constructed solar collecting dishes...common mirrors will do. Mirrors of all shapes and sizes are not at all hard to find. Now all you need is some flat ground, a raised tower and some time.

The conveyer belt was meant for convenience and to decrease the amount of operators required to run the facility. A bucket crane could just as easily be used to fill the raised blast chamber.

As for aiming the concentraited beam at other targets...well that's not that hard at all. Anyone who has ever used a magnifying glass to burn ants as a kid understands the concept. As for shooting at this mirror. Look directly into the sun and try to shoot at it. I think you will find it difficult to aim...since you can't really see anything.

It ain't rocket science people. I'm just talkin about using a few hundred mirros to redirect some sun into one place in order to make a small elevated room very friggin hot. This is stage one of the project. The second stage would be to add in a water supply so that we can generate syeam so that electrical power can be created.
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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
36. RE: Depose of splatter
Apr 2 2011, 1:43 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 2 2011, 1:43 PM EDT
"Generally...100 parabolic solar dishes of 12.5 square meters can generate about 400 kg of steam per hour. You would have to burn more than 1,000 kg of wood to generate that kind of steam."
Where are you getting your data Duterfel? What sort of area does that 50 square meter dish have to be focused on to really be effective?

In cremation ovens bodies are burned at approximately 1000 degrees Celsius for an hour and a half to two hours. It's not a speedy way to process bodies.
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P0LaND
P0LaND
37. RE: Dispose that body
Apr 2 2011, 1:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 2 2011, 1:47 PM EDT
There is a video I found from some tech show where I think they were able to focus a beam of light to be able to burn rather solid things.

Don't hold me to it as a "valuable piece of information", but it's pretty cool, and I think related.
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P0LaND
P0LaND
38. RE: Depose of splatter
Apr 2 2011, 1:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 2 2011, 1:51 PM EDT
"First time post,

I had a slightly different thought. Assume one got into your BOL, and you shot it in the head no problem. But now you have bits of zed all over what ever supplies or equipment happened to be behind it. Not only that but now its bleeding all over the floor and whatever happens to be on the floor.

How would you clean up after that in a safe manor.

P.S. I thought it was kind of funny. using dead bodies to run a power plant. The ultimate renewable energy in a zombie apocalypse."
Honestly, I don't know. As far as the virus you shouldn't have to worry about for too long, since most pathogens can't live outside of the body for very long at all before kicking the bucket. I would probably put on my best rendition of some Personal Protection Equipment, and dispose of the body outside, zombie cooker or not. Then, if I had a strong disinfectant or something. Lye, chlorine, whatever, I would use it to wash out the blood and bits of zombie.

But you know your house is never going to smell the same again.
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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
39. RE: Depose of splatter
Apr 2 2011, 2:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 2 2011, 2:34 PM EDT
I'm not saying that it's not possible to build an array capable of burning nearly anything. They can, and do exist, however these arrays are more than 12 feet in diameter and have to concentrate their heat to areas less than an inch in diameter, so they have can have concentrations of millions of watts per square inch.

it's like our laser rig in the welding lab. The laser only utilizes 2000 Watts of energy, which in the scheme of things isn't alot. But we take that 3 inch diameter beam and focus it down to an area of less than a 1/16" in Diameter, doing so increases the energy density so that you can use that one little point to cut through a sheet of metal (with some assistance from compressed gas).

However that entire system is very sensitive and depends on all of it's variables staying very tight.

That's just to cut a small hole in a thin sheet of steel, imagine how much energy it would take to get that sort of energy concentration on an area of a square meter?
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