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fixdeluxe1 |
Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 5:06 AM EDT
Basically,my advice as an MMA fan and student of Martial Arts,I can say the following for rookies.Avoid advanced technique.Do things that are natural,fluid and simple yet cause maximum damage for minimal effort.If absolutely no purpose built or improvised weapons can be accessed,then prepare to use your anatomy in ways not thought of by conventional thinkers in order to ensure your survival. Against more than 2 walking dead,make a hasty escape.Otherwise try and get the zombie into a headlock and twist its neck with a violent force,akin to spinning a rusty valve AND KEEP YOUR FOREARMS AND HANDS away from the mouth of the zombie.Another move could be to grab the arm of the zombie lunging at you whilst moving to the side and sweep kicking them then standing(assuming you are wearing rugged footwear) and stamping their face until it resembles scrambled eggs and ketchup. For Humans,who are more aware and intelligent,as well as more capable,take a class in Krav Maga. Do you find this valuable?
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DevilNuts |
1. RE: Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 8:36 AM EDT
"For Humans,who are more aware and intelligent,as well as more capable,take a class in Krav Maga."Agreed. The rest of it, however, is questionable. Headlock is a no-go. In fact, any kind of direct contact puts you at risk. What's the deadliest part of zombie anatomy you can think of? I would say the teeth (grasping hands/claws being a close second). That being said, by "stamping their face," you are essentially coming into deliberate and forceful contact with the business end of the zombie's most potent weapon. Not for me. Also, check out my profile if you're into Krav -- I've posted the demo video from my IKMA school in Jersey. I trained there for about a year and it was AMAZING. Do you find this valuable? |
Sharpie41 |
2. RE: Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 9:26 AM EDT
"Agreed. The rest of it, however, is questionable.He must have edited it, I didn't see and reference to a head-lock, and the stamping was with boots, I wear steel toed work boots quite a bit so if I didn't have a weapon in my hands I would at least have them on my feet Do you find this valuable? |
randomknife666 |
3. RE: Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 9:30 AM EDT
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"He must have edited it, I didn't see and reference to a head-lock, and the stamping was with boots, I wear steel toed work boots quite a bit so if I didn't have a weapon in my hands I would at least have them on my feet"3rd paragraph, second line. It took me twice to see it while reading. @OP- Its a shame the only martial arts taught around here are Judo, and Karate and some other martial art that I can't remember the name of. I'll figure it out later. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
4. RE: Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 9:34 AM EDT
"3rd paragraph, second line. It took me twice to see it while reading."Oh ****, Yeah I see it now No head-locks on zombies, they'll bite you Do you find this valuable? |
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randomknife666 |
5. RE: Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 9:35 AM EDT
"Oh ****, Yeah I see it nowWhy does the first thought that pops into my head have to be the first episode of HOTD.... Just why... Do you find this valuable? |
DonovanRichter |
6. RE: Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 10:09 AM EDT
Also, remember that martial arts are designed for use against humans. =*_*= Its best to come up with a few techniques specially designed for zombies. Don't focus on killing them, just focus on getting past them if you are unarmed. Learning to sidestep quickly as you grab at their forearm to pull them past you as they lunge is a decent one that also propels you past them. Learning how to break a grab is also good. =^_^= Most traditional wrestling moves and such don't take into account things like biting because its not allowed for obvious reasons, and are therefore designed to have little defense against such a reaction. =*_*= When viewing zombie hand to hand maneuvers, focus on escape and see their hands and teeth as being their most dangerous points. =^_^= Do you find this valuable? |
DLOWTHEMAD |
7. RE: Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 10:26 AM EDT
I have a black belt in click-click-boom... does that count?
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Sharpie41 |
8. RE: Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 10:42 AM EDT
"I have a black belt in click-click-boom... does that count?"Now THATS a good song Do you find this valuable? |
duterfel |
9. RE: Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 10:49 AM EDT
"@OP- Its a shame the only martial arts taught around here are Judo, and Karate and some other martial art that I can't remember the name of. I'll figure it out later."You were probably thinking of Taiquando...which is a tournament martial art and nothing more in my opinion. I studied kenpo (karate) for many years. There are very few offensive moves in kenpo. The martial art teaches you to use your opponents attack or momentum against them...much like judo...but with more bone breaking going on. I really want to leanr Krav Maga. Apparently you can become a master of this martial art in the shortest amount of time. You only need months or training instead of years or life long dedication. Perhaps Krav Maga should become the official martial art of the ZSDW community. Someone should start an instructional "video" based instructional class through this site. I would watch and learn all that I could. I've already checked out every video on the subjet that Youtube has to offer. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sekirio |
10. RE: Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 11:03 AM EDT
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"You were probably thinking of Taiquando...which is a tournament martial art and nothing more in my opinion.I studied Taekwondo and agree it is now mainly a competition based sport...but, the guy who conducted my gradings, Master Roy Oldham, is one of the hardest barsterds I have ever met. During my friends black tag grading, Master Oldham demonstrated a headbutt to his chest. It left a bruise the size of Texas and my friend unable to open my car door when we left afterwards. His arms were a mass of scar tissue from blocking knives and bottles and in a pub fight he kicked someone so hard his toes came through his shoe. He was also a very approachable man, liked a drink after tournaments and was an all round great ambassador for what lamentably has now become a sport not a fighting art. Do you find this valuable? |
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randomknife666 |
11. RE: Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 11:05 AM EDT
"You were probably thinking of Taiquando...which is a tournament martial art and nothing more in my opinion.Isshin ryu, not taiquando. A friend of mine is in that, and I just got reminded what it was. I may have spelt that wrong. Do you find this valuable? |
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Squezy_McGee |
12. RE: Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 11:57 AM EDT
Something that works good on the belt wearing set is to get a hold of them, take them to the ground and then plant your ass on thier chest. Mr. Miague doesn't have a good counter for that. Then you beat the living dog **** out of him.If you're stronger than your opponent and especially if you're bigger the wrestling moves you learned in high school are worth more than belts and trophies. The best MMA fighters usually got thier start in wrestling. Matt Hughes punished martial artist when he was in his prime. All his opponents could do was lay there and bleed or tap the **** out. Do you find this valuable? |
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DonovanRichter |
13. RE: Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 2:41 PM EDT
"If you're stronger than your opponent and especially if you're bigger the wrestling moves you learned in high school are worth more than belts and trophies."Could quite well be, but a lot of wrestling moves leave your eyes open to gouging and your extremities open to biting since they weren't designed for use in a situation that allows such. =^_~= I always like to advise caution and forethought on the whole "how does this leave me open during an actual confrontation" spectrum. That's all =^_^= Do you find this valuable? |
BigLoki |
14. RE: Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 3:02 PM EDT
I have a bit of hand to hand combat background. My advice is : If you're inexperienced, run...vs. Humans: I find that Judo is very useful. Most untrained assailants either go for head shots which you can slip easily with a minimal amount of practice and skill, or they want to put you in a headlock and throw you on the ground. There are exceptions, but by and large, this is the truth. Judo is useful in nearly any combat situation, and is less complicated in the beginning stages than many other forms and arts. In a nutshell, 10 weeks of Judo will do you better than 10 weeks of Tae Kwon Do, or many of the hybrid arts. If you have the time, and resources, sure, there are many that are more suited, but with limited time or resources, this is my suggestion. vs. zeds: I really can't think of a single scenario where I want to duke it out with the undead. I hit people they bleed, I don't want blood on me. IF I have to get in close, most moves put their mouth in potential contact with me somewhere, and I don't want that either. My gear isn't purposed for that kind of contact. IF for some reason yours is, then anything that puts you above them vs. below them would likely be an acceptable risk. There are moves like the Ippon seoi nagi in Judo that could be useful I suppose. It's a shoulder throw where you duck under the arm, and heave them overtop with their arm, and dropping your hips. When executed as it should be, you retain control of the arm, if not you drive their head onto the pavement with the full force of their body and your movement. Sounds like a plan to me. It would be like using their arm as a whip, and their head being the tip of the whip into the concrete. I have seen many a head eat the floor while learning that particular move, so I know for certain that the mechanics of it work. Do you find this valuable? |
LJ126 |
15. RE: Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 3:38 PM EDT
Plus 1 to Loki's post. I've got a year and a half of Judo experience, and just started dabbling with Shotokan at my school, and in my personal opinion, Judo is certainly superior to karate for self-defense purposes. I can't speak to how it compares to other martial arts - like Taekwondo, Krav, etc - but it is ridiculously effective in a mano-a-mano self defense situations. However, hitting someone with a fist, elbow or knee isn't exactly rocket science - if you're of sufficient strength, your form can be crap and you'll still deliver tons of pain compliance medicine. In Judo kata, striking is taught and ALWAYS precedes grappling techniques - the strike will make the grappling technique more effective. One problem with grappling arts is that it's really only effective in the one on one fight. You don't wanna take it to the ground if the guy you're fighting with has buddies around - they will play soccer with your head while you're choking the first goon, and that's a losing battle for you. Personally, I think that a well-rounded skillset would be 60% grappling, 30% striking/blocking and 10% weapons-based. You don't have to be a martial artist if you've got an extendable baton on you (if legal in your area.) Against a zombie? I think it'd make more sense to run away and grab a weapon that to duke it out unarmed. A chair beats fists any day of the week. Do you find this valuable? |
deathseekrakodo |
16. RE: Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 3:42 PM EDT
" Taiquando."u turd :) the kicks are good Do you find this valuable? |
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DevilNuts |
17. RE: Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 4:16 PM EDT
"I really want to leanr Krav Maga. Apparently you can become a master of this martial art in the shortest amount of time. You only need months or training instead of years or life long dedication. Perhaps Krav Maga should become the official martial art of the ZSDW community.Master? No, that still takes awhile. Proficient? Absolutely, you can do that in a few weeks if you train hard. And it is my opinion that you cannot (!) get quality instruction from a video. You need an instructor who teaches you what to do, but more importantly understands why and will observe and correct you so that you don't develop bad habits because you don't understand the mechanics behind a technique. If someone tries to teach you Krav Maga from a video, that person is a hack and you should not trust their instruction anyway. The video I posted is a demonstration -- you are not meant to walk away from it with any new knowledge other than how badly you want to attend that school. Do you find this valuable? |
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DLOWTHEMAD |
18. RE: Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 4:49 PM EDT
My $.02...The style matters less than the student. If you are diligent, practice often, and desire to do damage... any type of martial art will do. I've studied tae kwon do, jujitsu, kempo, wado ryu, and greco roman wrestling. Honestly, out of them all the tae kwon do instructor scared me the most. A grappler has to get within arms reach to hurt you, he had about 7 feet reach with a side kick, or back kick... and could break 4 12in pine boards. Sparring him, you don't even have time to see his foot move before you see stars. BTW, you guys do know that MMA is the new WWF wrestling... right? It might be more bloody, but the behind the scenes is pretty much the same thing... down to the trash talking and screaming muscle heads between matches. Anyway, most of the matches I see are won by "dirty boxing"... not chokes or holds. The basics of dirty boxing are pretty much the same basics taught at any martial art school, from wrestling to Krav. Do you find this valuable? |
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BigLoki |
19. RE: Basic fighting skills for people with limited experience
Apr 6 2011, 5:11 PM EDT
MMA is what it is, it has no bearing on my thoughts about hand to hand combat.I agree completely DLOW, with the sentiment about the student being the important factor in training. In all honesty, a good fighter is a good fighter, and martial arts won't turn you into one if you aren't pre-disposed to it. IMO anyway. That being said. I think there are a lot of misconceptions about Judo. While it does focus a lot on grappling, there are MANY, MANY strikes used. There are many punches, and many kicks, elbow strikes and so on. It is a very well rounded art. I'm not saying it's the best, just that it's the best that I have personal experience with. I started training in Judo at 6 and stopped at 17. I've tried others, and am proficient enough in them, I still feel Judo gives the best "bang for the buck" that I know of. I have seen Krav Maga, and I like it, however I don't have an opinion on it from personal experience. All any art of form is, is a more comprehensive "bag of tricks". It gives you more options should you need to fight. They will not make you "Bruce Lee" nor "Chuck Norris". If you can't fight, then you just can't fight. If you can fight, then more options will make you all the better. Aside from all that, at the very least, there is a lot of conditioning, and flexibility training involved, and who couldn't benefit from that? Do you find this valuable? |
