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redcomrad |
Wood Gas possible solution for fuel problems?
Apr 7 2011, 10:54 PM EDT
Guys i was just discussing with one of my friends about the collapse of civilization when we started wondering how we would be able to keep our vehicles running. Because we both knew that diesel and gasoline eventually run out or spoil so we needed to find an alternative. So we thought about a lot of different alternatives when i remembered about that one show ''the Colony'' and how they made that wood gas generator and used the stuff to power that car they had. So I was just wondering if we could use that to power our vehicles so we wouldn't have to be kicked back into the stone age and be forced to use horses and stuff. Just wanted some of your guys opinions on this and whether or not it could be a solution to the common problem of fuel loss in post apocalyptic settlements.
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Heyoldguy |
1. RE: Wood Gas possible solution for fuel problems?
Apr 8 2011, 12:34 AM EDT
"Guys i was just discussing with one of my friends about the collapse of civilization when we started wondering how we would be able to keep our vehicles running. Because we both knew that diesel and gasoline eventually run out or spoil so we needed to find an alternative. So we thought about a lot of different alternatives when i remembered about that one show ''the Colony'' and how they made that wood gas generator and used the stuff to power that car they had. So I was just wondering if we could use that to power our vehicles so we wouldn't have to be kicked back into the stone age and be forced to use horses and stuff. Just wanted some of your guys opinions on this and whether or not it could be a solution to the common problem of fuel loss in post apocalyptic settlements."Fuel is only part of the problem to keep vehicles running, You will need spare parrts and lubricants to insure the engines are maintained. You will eventually run out of all those things. Do you find this valuable? |
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redcomrad |
2. RE: Wood Gas possible solution for fuel problems?
Apr 8 2011, 1:56 AM EDT
"Fuel is only part of the problem to keep vehicles running, You will need spare parrts and lubricants to insure the engines are maintained. You will eventually run out of all those things."If you had a good amount of mechanics and the resources to you could try to make some other parts or scavenge them. But you gotta point, but at least my vehicles will last a bit longer after everyone Else's are gone. I'm just asking could you possibly replace lubricants by using vegetable oil or something? Do you find this valuable? |
inu-dude25 |
3. RE: Wood Gas possible solution for fuel problems?
Apr 8 2011, 2:04 AM EDT
For one thing, you need to have a carbeurated vehicle and you'll need to know how to set a carb yourself. Anything fuel injected won't work with a setup like what they had rigged in the Colony, where the gas was pumped right into the butterflies in the carb. As for vegetable oil lubricants, in short, no. Most waste oil like that is fairly caustic in comparison to your standard motor oil. I imagine in time it would tear up the pan and advance wear on the cylinder walls. For example, to convert a diesel to vegetable oil, you actually have to replace most stock fuel lines and sometimes your pump with stronger ones that can handle the corrosive properties. Not to mention, you don't know if the weight and will match-up and the viscosity most certainly won't. Put some olive oil or vegetable oil in a pan and turn it on. Notice when it gets hot how easily it runs and starts to bubble. If your oil begins to froth in your motor, you'll be walking soo enough. Do you find this valuable? |
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Heyoldguy |
4. RE: Wood Gas possible solution for fuel problems?
Apr 9 2011, 2:35 PM EDT
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Wood gas should work with fuel injected engines...you are just supplying the gas through the intake in gaseous form rather that through the injectors in liquid form...the autos computer does not really know what is is burning it is just opening and closing the injectors for a predetermined time to supply the gasoline.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN5GEBbaf7Y&feature=related One thing you could do for the lubricant side of things is to aquire some low micron filters ahead of time...most motor oils will las tens of thousands of miles as long as it is removed from the engines regularly and alll the grit filtered from it. Thats why a lot of these newer motor oils are boasting longer life, its not really because of the oil but improved filter systems. Do you find this valuable? |
ZeMatch |
5. RE: Wood Gas possible solution for fuel problems?
Apr 9 2011, 3:51 PM EDT
I know there's some sort of modification to make diesel engines run on veg oil. From what I've heard, diesel engines can take almost any kind of primitive fuel with little or no mod. I'm not saying it'll burn anything, just something within reason.
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Heyoldguy |
6. RE: Wood Gas possible solution for fuel problems?
Apr 9 2011, 4:04 PM EDT
"I know there's some sort of modification to make diesel engines run on veg oil. From what I've heard, diesel engines can take almost any kind of primitive fuel with little or no mod. I'm not saying it'll burn anything, just something within reason."From what I understand, to run pure vegetable in a diesel only requires a change of the fuel lines as what come from the factory degrades in the pressence of vege oil. Also to run wood gas in a diesel, according to my sources, you still have to run like a 5% charge of diesel in order for the mix to ignite. as diesels run by a compression ignition rather than a spark ignition like gas motors and the wood gas alone will not ignite. Do you find this valuable? |
White76Knight |
7. RE: Wood Gas possible solution for fuel problems?
Apr 10 2011, 5:21 PM EDT
For what it's worth, I discuss Wood Gasifiers in some detail, including a pic or two and some links, and several other alternate fuel methods as well in my Survival Plan page. Check it out if you like.http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/White76Knight%27s+Survival+Plan Do you find this valuable? |
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ZeMatch |
8. RE: Wood Gas possible solution for fuel problems?
Apr 12 2011, 1:48 PM EDT
"From what I understand, to run pure vegetable in a diesel only requires a change of the fuel lines as what come from the factory degrades in the pressence of vege oil.I think the fuel filter needs to be modified too. I know there's a guy around here that will do the necessary conversions and will actually sell already modified Mercedes 300D's. I've seen them around town. Do you find this valuable? |
