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RandomPerson#28
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Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 8 2011, 5:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2011, 5:25 PM EDT
We all know that the .50 is a huge bullet. But if you want a little more oomph, what about an elephant gun? I'm not talking about elephant gun cartriges like a .375 H&H or a .35 Winchester but rounds like a .458 or a .700NE even a 4-bore. That could definetly decapitate a zombie. They are incredibly rare but if you found one and found ammo would you use it? Do you find this valuable?    
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
1. RE: Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 8 2011, 5:30 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2011, 5:30 PM EDT
"We all know that the .50 is a huge bullet. But if you want a little more oomph, what about an elephant gun? I'm not talking about elephant gun cartriges like a .375 H&H or a .35 Winchester but rounds like a .458 or a .700NE even a 4-bore. That could definetly decapitate a zombie. They are incredibly rare but if you found one and found ammo would you use it?"
No, too heavy for something a .22 will do
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DLOWTHEMAD
DLOWTHEMAD
2. RE: Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 8 2011, 5:39 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2011, 5:39 PM EDT
"We all know that the .50 is a huge bullet. But if you want a little more oomph, what about an elephant gun? I'm not talking about elephant gun cartriges like a .375 H&H or a .35 Winchester but rounds like a .458 or a .700NE even a 4-bore. That could definetly decapitate a zombie. They are incredibly rare but if you found one and found ammo would you use it?"
I would take it, but I would probably only use it to incapacitate cars or shoot armored persons.

Honestly, it seems like a bit much
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
3. RE: Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 8 2011, 5:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2011, 5:49 PM EDT
"I would take it, but I would probably only use it to incapacitate cars or shoot armored persons.

Honestly, it seems like a bit much "
Or hunt BIG game....
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ItsMrManCub
ItsMrManCub
4. RE: Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 8 2011, 6:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2011, 6:25 PM EDT
I'd take it in a heartbeat. Can you imagine the damage you could deal with something that powerful? I wouldn't waste the rounds on a zombie though, I would use it like DLOW recommended. Do you find this valuable?    
SasquatchJim
SasquatchJim
5. RE: Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 8 2011, 6:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2011, 6:38 PM EDT
"We all know that the .50 is a huge bullet. But if you want a little more oomph, what about an elephant gun? I'm not talking about elephant gun cartriges like a .375 H&H or a .35 Winchester but rounds like a .458 or a .700NE even a 4-bore. That could definetly decapitate a zombie. They are incredibly rare but if you found one and found ammo would you use it?"
Uh... the .50 has more muzzle energy than than either the .458 or the 700. And, IIRC, the 4-bore. Only shoulder-fired rounds that come to mind with greater energy are 2-bore, .950 JDJ (though that's not really shoulder-fired,) and a few wildcats.

However, the weight, expense, and recoil of the guns make them pretty impractical overall. I'd rather use something I know I can shoot accurately (like a .30-30.)
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ItsMrManCub
ItsMrManCub
6. RE: Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 8 2011, 6:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2011, 6:54 PM EDT
"Uh... the .50 has more muzzle energy than than either the .458 or the 700. And, IIRC, the 4-bore. Only shoulder-fired rounds that come to mind with greater energy are 2-bore, .950 JDJ (though that's not really shoulder-fired,) and a few wildcats.

However, the weight, expense, and recoil of the guns make them pretty impractical overall. I'd rather use something I know I can shoot accurately (like a .30-30.)"
I dont think I could pass on any firearm I find post apoc. Basically if I can carry it back to where I am holed up I will.
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SasquatchJim
SasquatchJim
7. RE: Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 8 2011, 6:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2011, 6:59 PM EDT
"I dont think I could pass on any firearm I find post apoc. Basically if I can carry it back to where I am holed up I will."
Yeah, fair enough. I wouldn't pass on it either. But if I had the option, I'd carry something softer-shooting.
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oldannyboy37
oldannyboy37
8. RE: Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 8 2011, 7:07 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2011, 7:07 PM EDT
"We all know that the .50 is a huge bullet. But if you want a little more oomph, what about an elephant gun? I'm not talking about elephant gun cartriges like a .375 H&H or a .35 Winchester but rounds like a .458 or a .700NE even a 4-bore. That could definetly decapitate a zombie. They are incredibly rare but if you found one and found ammo would you use it?"
The 50 BMG has a ton more energy then a 458. I've never compared the energy to a 700NE or a 4-bore but I imagine it still compares favorably.
I'd use that too kill cars and other large things lol.
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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
9. RE: Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 8 2011, 7:13 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2011, 7:13 PM EDT
It really depends on the situation and how much ammo was availible.

The effective range on both are pretty low compared to a .50 bmg, So unless I found a surplus of ammo (highly unlikely as the rounds are about $50 a pop) i'd probably leave it.
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Heyoldguy
Heyoldguy
10. RE: Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 8 2011, 8:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2011, 8:28 PM EDT
I have an old 4 bore double rifle that was made and owned by an old Dutch plantation owner in Africa. I have fired it exactly twice in the entire 35 years I have owned it...It is brutal and way overkill for anything short of the Tyrannosarus Rexs that he hunted with it.... ( had to have been dinosaurs cause it would vaporise an elephant) Do you find this valuable?    
AlexHigginbotham
AlexHigginbotham
11. RE: Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 8 2011, 8:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2011, 8:54 PM EDT
Another Nitro Express thread? If the .50 BMG ones weren't bad enough. Do you find this valuable?    
White76Knight
White76Knight
12. RE: Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 8 2011, 10:04 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2011, 10:04 PM EDT
"It is brutal and way overkill for anything short of the Tyrannosaurus Rex's that he hunted with it.... ( had to have been dinosaurs cause it would vaporize an elephant)"
LOL @ Heyoldguy
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EastCoaster9000
13. RE: Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 8 2011, 11:56 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2011, 11:56 PM EDT
Uh, no.
I see no need to carry around huge, loud, and heavy things.
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demsmine
demsmine
14. RE: Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 9 2011, 5:17 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2011, 5:17 AM EDT
"Uh, no.
I see no need to carry around huge, loud, and heavy things.
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Theres goes my cack ; )
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trophykiller
trophykiller
15. RE: Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 9 2011, 5:25 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2011, 5:25 AM EDT
Here's an idea: trade it for a more useful weapon. Also, it may be useful for z-bears. Do you find this valuable?    
demsmine
demsmine
16. RE: Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 9 2011, 5:40 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2011, 5:40 AM EDT
"Here's an idea: trade it for a more useful weapon. Also, it may be useful for z-bears."
What could possible be more usefull than an a weapon that weighs 40 pounds, with rare and expensive ammo that is only really usefull for miltary applications. We all know that it takes a 50 call to take out the average zed.
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trophykiller
trophykiller
17. RE: Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 9 2011, 5:49 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2011, 5:49 AM EDT
"What could possible be more usefull than an a weapon that weighs 40 pounds, with rare and expensive ammo that is only really usefull for miltary applications. We all know that it takes a 50 call to take out the average zed."
No, I don't think that even a .50 BMG would kill a zed. Sure it was originally designed to kill tanks, but it simply doesn't hold the punch to effectively kill the enemy. Perhaps a railgun, or maybe some artillery, because like the elephant gun, those are just lying around everywhere.
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Filadog
Filadog
18. RE: Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 9 2011, 7:11 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2011, 7:11 AM EDT
I used to own a .375 H&H and a .458 both are specialised rounds esspecially the 458 and would be pretty far down on my list of guns i would want to use on a zombie
I never shot the .458 more then a few times just so I could say I shot it, the .375 and old Winchester model 70] I shot a good bit. Was a pretty accurate rifle and recoil was not that bad really. I had an old Weaver 4 power scope on it and used to shoot groundhogs with it and once a small doe
Once I figured I didnt have to worry about cape buffalos getting into my trash I traded the .458 for a 300 H&H and sold the 375 and bought a car.....Do sort of miss the .375
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Heyoldguy
Heyoldguy
19. RE: Surpassing the .50 BMG
Apr 9 2011, 2:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2011, 4:06 PM EDT
Just for ****** and giggles I ran the bullets energies for the following..

.338 Lapua W/ 250 grain bullet at 2950 fps = M.E 4830 ftlb.

.50 BMG W/ 660 grain bullet at 3080 fps = M.E. 13,912 ftlb

my 4 bore double 2000 grain bullet at (verified by chrono)2200 fps = 21,480 ftlb

.950 JDJ 3600 grain bullet at 2200 fps = 38,664 ftlb


and I fired that 4 bore from the shoulder...it recoiled strait up, spun me around twice, slammed me into the ground...then the recoil hit... I got up and was bleeding from the nose, mouth and ears.....it was such an enjoyable experience I did it once more three years later. ( I'm a slow learner)
I have also let other people fire it...none of them tried it more than once...can't figure out why..
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