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theman838 |
America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 6:32 PM EDT
| Post edited: Apr 9 2011, 6:36 PM EDT
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-only-chart-you-need-to-see-to-understand-why-the-us-is-screwed-2011-2This is happening, and yet people are wailing that 4 trillion dollars in cuts over TEN years is insane! Do the math, 80 billion is about 2% of the federal budget. Now that is insane . 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
x-wolfhunter |
1. RE: America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 6:50 PM EDT
"http://www.businessinsider.com/the-only-chart-you-need-to-see-to-understand-why-the-us-is-screwed-2011-2. . . Are you on the wrong website? This is the Zombie Survival and Defense Wiki, not the End of the World Forum. It bugs me when people post threads about stuff that's completely off topic. 2 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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theman838 |
2. RE: America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 7:04 PM EDT
" . . . Are you on the wrong website? This is the Zombie Survival and Defense Wiki, not the End of the World Forum. It bugs me when people post threads about stuff that's completely off topic."This was posted in general discussion. SO SHUT UP! 5 out of 14 found this valuable. Do you? |
oldannyboy37 |
3. RE: America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 7:19 PM EDT
" . . . Are you on the wrong website? This is the Zombie Survival and Defense Wiki, not the End of the World Forum. It bugs me when people post threads about stuff that's completely off topic."Actually it could be considered relevant to the existence of the site. Economical collapse and other such topics coincide with survivalism. Just look at the government shut down threads that were posted jsut the other day. You don't really have to agree with him, but it is relevant to survival in my opinion. Also theman, you might want to go about disagreeing a little more gracefully. You don't have to listen to me of course, but telling someone to shut up in that mannor doesn't reflect well on you. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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x-wolfhunter |
4. RE: America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 7:29 PM EDT
"Actually it could be considered relevant to the existence of the site. Economical collapse and other such topics coincide with survivalism.Yeah . . . Rough day. Sorry, theman. And, theman, you have quite the diplomatic approach to conflict resolution, I see. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
BigLoki |
5. RE: America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 7:30 PM EDT
" . . . Are you on the wrong website? This is the Zombie Survival and Defense Wiki, not the End of the World Forum. It bugs me when people post threads about stuff that's completely off topic."It's TITLED "Zombie Survival and Defense WIki" This is not strictly a zombie discussion site. Many things have been discussed here that are not covered under the title, up to and including movie preferences, favorite boots, and where to buy surplus submarines. I'm not in love with the title of the thread, and the chart is not that impressive to me personally; but if it bothers you that much that someone posted something that you feel is not worthy of the site, then don't post on it. Now you are potentially turning it into a flame war, and it will extend out for 100 posts; while "relevant" threads die out as you say nothing on them. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
brandon_a_boyer |
6. RE: America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 7:36 PM EDT
The simple solution is to raise taxes, while cutting spending. The problem is that nobody will raise taxes for fear of not being re-elected, and that nobody wants to pay extra taxes.http://throb.typepad.com/special/2004%20US%20Budget.jpg People will ***** about those so called "entitlement" programs until the very moment they need them. It's easy to complain about social security being pointless until you are 72 years old and you can't pay your heating bill. Do you find this valuable? |
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theman838 |
7. RE: America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 7:56 PM EDT
"Yeah . . . Rough day. Sorry, theman. And, theman, you have quite the diplomatic approach to conflict resolution, I see."Sorry also having a bad day. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
8. RE: America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 8:02 PM EDT
"Actually it could be considered relevant to the existence of the site. Economical collapse and other such topics coincide with survivalism.I agree, we've tried to discuss political sciences on this website in the past though and they normally end shutting down, especially when somebody utters the dreaded C-word. Do you find this valuable? |
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theman838 |
9. RE: America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 8:07 PM EDT
"People will ***** about those so called "entitlement" programs until the very moment they need them. It's easy to complain about social security being pointless until you are 72 years old and you can't pay your heating bill."When that money goes to the government it gets stolen to pay for pork and in the end you get a tiny amount of money compared to what you could get if instead you were allowed to invest it. Also if people are unable to "pay your heating bill" it is the job of their family, friends, and local communities to provide for them by choice (charities) not obligation of the federal govt. Do you find this valuable? |
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BigLoki |
10. RE: America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 8:14 PM EDT
"When that money goes to the government it gets stolen to pay for pork and in the end you get a tiny amount of money compared to what you could get if instead you were allowed to invest it.I've worked since I was 14 years old... I've paid into that system for 18 years now. If I need help with my heating bill, they're going to f*****g pay it for me. Not my daughter, not my brother, not my grandchildren. The people who have taken my money my entire working life will do what they are supposed to do. The upside is: by the time YOU need help with your retirement, that system will likely be used up, so you may just get your wish... be nice to your family. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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theman838 |
11. RE: America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 8:15 PM EDT
"The simple solution is to raise taxes, while cutting spending. The problem is that nobody will raise taxes for fear of not being re-elected, and that nobody wants to pay extra taxes.Increasing taxes is not necessary. If we simplified the tax code and instituted a flat tax we could raise revenues without increased tax. Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
12. RE: America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 8:22 PM EDT
"When that money goes to the government it gets stolen to pay for pork and in the end you get a tiny amount of money compared to what you could get if instead you were allowed to invest it.That pork is the what the elected officials are elected to do, of course they want to sneak their pet projects in for their own states. What if you don't have family? I sure as hell don't live in a local community that would provide me assistance if I needed it, nor would I expect my friends to. I agree entirely with BigLoki, If you pay into a system your entire life, you expect that system to be there to help you. Flat taxes hurt the Lower and Middle Classes much more than they hurt the upper class. When the top 20 percent has 80 percent of the wealth they need to pay more taxes, plain and simple. Do you find this valuable? |
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theman838 |
13. RE: America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 8:23 PM EDT
"I've worked since I was 14 years old... I've paid into that system for 18 years now. If I need help with my heating bill, they're going to f*****g pay it for me. Not my daughter, not my brother, not my grandchildren. The people who have taken my money my entire working life will do what they are supposed to do. The upside is: by the time YOU need help with your retirement, that system will likely be used up, so you may just get your wish... be nice to your family."Whoa Loki calm down I'm not saying your kids should be forced to support you or you should lose your money. I'm saying that in the future people should be allowed to invest instead of throwing their money away into the SS money pit. Also I was saying that instead of people being forced to pay for others, we should pay for others out of the goodness of our hearts through charities which are more efficient and trustworthy than the government. Do you find this valuable? |
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BigLoki |
14. RE: America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 8:35 PM EDT
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"Whoa Loki calm down I'm not saying your kids should be forced to support you or you should lose your money. I'm saying that in the future people should be allowed to invest instead of throwing their money away into the SS money pit.I'm calm bud, that's the problem with the internet... I should probably have put a couple "lols" in there or something. The point is though: the system will continue as it is until it fails completely, because like myself, there are so many that have paid into that system so that those entering retirement before us can get by, when my time comes, I want to see a return for them raping 1/3 of my paycheck to take care of people I don't know or particularly care about. A flat tax would work, but it will NEVER happen. If you make 16 million dollars a year, and have to give up $3,200,000 of it, they will freak, and whoever put that policy into effect will lose all their lobby money, and everything else. I think the answer is to re-visit all these contracts, and agreements we have with other countries. We give (or gave... not 100% of the current status) ?North Korea millions of barrels of oil, to keep them from firing up their nuke plants... they did it anyway, I say fk their oil. We sell our food to other countries, and turn around and buy the same thing we exported from someone else for more than it cost us to grow it, keep our food here. We are in several countries that don't want us there, come the hell home, and let them kill eachother's troops instead of ours. We loan others money and resources we don't have, never getting anything in return, and then borrow from the one country that owes us nothing. Do you find this valuable? |
chitoryu12 |
15. RE: America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 8:51 PM EDT
"Whoa Loki calm down I'm not saying your kids should be forced to support you or you should lose your money. I'm saying that in the future people should be allowed to invest instead of throwing their money away into the SS money pit.But how many would actually pay out of the goodness of their hearts? What would you need to do to get enough people to contribute to charity for it to work? Do you find this valuable? |
LJ126 |
16. RE: America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 8:58 PM EDT
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Bewarned, the eye in the sky is upon this discussion. in case you hadn't noticed, that's me.This discussion is relevant to our purposes at the ZSDW - Economic turmoil and the resultant general-purpose survival survival are very much within the concerns of the modern survivalist movement - but should it take a slanderous, non-constructive tone (IE Obama is a dumb ......., if the GOP would just .......) I will shut this mutha down faster than one can put the "Imp" in Pimptastic. Keep it clean, keep it constructive, keep your friendly neighborhood moderator staff happy! PS: Kudos to those of you promoting stability in this discussion. You know who you are! :) Do you find this valuable? |
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LJ126 |
17. RE: America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 9:02 PM EDT
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Personally, I think things are going to get really exciting, really soon. Now is the time to be stocking up in case things start to "get loud." Canned food, bottled water, long-term sustainability stuff, and your other GP survival essentials might become important.Also, and this isn't entirely motivated by our rather turbulent political and economic state, but I'm planning on moving to the sticks in South Texas. STL was hit hard in the 30's, and still hasn't even really started repairing since the 00's recession... if things get worse, it could get REALLY nasty here. Do you find this valuable? |
JunkCollector |
18. RE: America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 9:45 PM EDT
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I can understand that, look at Michigan now we can't handle any more taxes. I have been slowly stocking up more and more every week. Buying a hand full of extra can goods, dry goods, bottle water, and survival rations. I have Monday off of school, I am going to Sam's Club tomorrow. I may pick up a couple of 50# bags of rice, a few 20# bags of beans, and cases of caned goods and maybe a half a skid of bottled water. If I don't use them by Labor Day I will donate some of it the steam engine show, for a kettle cook. The federal, state, and local governments don't need to raise taxes, they need to contain their spending. It was reported today on CNN that in May the federal government will have to raise the debt ceiling, and borrow more money or the government will default on most of the "NEW" budget. Do you find this valuable? |
Carnack |
19. RE: America is screwed
Apr 9 2011, 9:48 PM EDT
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"I've worked since I was 14 years old... I've paid into that system for 18 years now. If I need help with my heating bill, they're going to f*****g pay it for me. Not my daughter, not my brother, not my grandchildren. The people who have taken my money my entire working life will do what they are supposed to do. The upside is: by the time YOU need help with your retirement, that system will likely be used up, so you may just get your wish... be nice to your family."Okay so tell me this Loki. How do you get paid from an empty wallet? I'd love to hear your solution. Because as it stands the flaw in the system is that the money is used as you pay it. It's a giant IOU. And it can't last. Do you find this valuable? |
