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FFMajorEMT |
Hearing protection?
Apr 14 2011, 10:38 AM EDT
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While shooting on my family's private property, my gf was standing about 7 feet behind me. We both wore our hearing protection but after about 30 rounds she took her ear plugs out. She said that it wasn't that loud. So I thought it would be the perfect opportunity to have her shoot my 9mm without hearing protection. I loaded one round in the magazine and she fires it off. She almost drops the gun because it was so loud. Now the point to my thread. In a zombie apocalypse, your senses are going to be important tools for survival. So if you cannot fire a 9mm Handgun without hearing protection, how are you supposed to hear if a zed is on your ass? Do you find this valuable?
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someoldbullshit |
1. RE: Hearing protection?
Apr 14 2011, 10:51 AM EDT
"While shooting on my family's private property, my gf was standing about 7 feet behind me. We both wore our hearing protection but after about 30 rounds she took her ear plugs out. She said that it wasn't that loud. So I thought it would be the perfect opportunity to have her shoot my 9mm without hearing protection. I loaded one round in the magazine and she fires it off. She almost drops the gun because it was so loud.I can shoot most of my guns without needing hearing protection, as long as its in a fairly open area. Hopefully you wont have to be shooting 30+ zeds at once. Or any at all for that matter, I would try to avoid being noticed, or move away from them if i wasn't bunkered down somewhere. I fire much louder guns than a 9mm and can hear just fine after, or within a few minutes I can. As long as you aren't shooting too many rounds at once you should be ok. I only have 5 guns that I will ALWAYS use hearing protection for, and those are LOUD. Do you find this valuable? |
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FFMajorEMT |
2. RE: Hearing protection?
Apr 14 2011, 11:00 AM EDT
"I can shoot most of my guns without needing hearing protection, as long as its in a fairly open area. Hopefully you wont have to be shooting 30+ zeds at once. Or any at all for that matter, I would try to avoid being noticed, or move away from them if i wasn't bunkered down somewhere.I agree that yeah, your hearing will come back within a few seconds but still that few seconds will add up if you do have to pop off more then 1 round. I was outside when we did this so imagine if you had to shoot a .45 or .223 indoors? I don't care who you are your not going to beable to hear sh*# after that 1st shot. Do you find this valuable? |
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someoldbullshit |
3. RE: Hearing protection?
Apr 14 2011, 11:08 AM EDT
"I agree that yeah, your hearing will come back within a few seconds but still that few seconds will add up if you do have to pop off more then 1 round. I was outside when we did this so imagine if you had to shoot a .45 or .223 indoors? I don't care who you are your not going to beable to hear sh*# after that 1st shot."Oh yeah, being indoors, even being under thick trees can make a shot a lot louder. Though, I can't really say that I would have the time to pop on a set of headphones before my shot either. I can see using hearing protection in a situation when your wanting to clear out a big group of them, but then again... if you have the time to put on your headphones or ear plugs and plan it out, you should be able to plan out avoiding the conflict. In an indoors situation like you pointed out... i think your ears will just have to be screwed. I say this because... if you see a zombie indoors, you probably wont have a lot of time to react. So you will have to shoot before you can put your ear protection on. If you say you should have it on already... well then your already deaf to the noise that a zed would be making in the first place. So, its either go in to the fight not being able to hear a zed because of your hearing protection, or go in being able to hear them, until the shots start. Do you find this valuable? |
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FFMajorEMT |
4. RE: Hearing protection?
Apr 14 2011, 11:12 AM EDT
"if you see a zombie indoors, you probably wont have a lot of time to react. So you will have to shoot before you can put your ear protection on. If you say you should have it on already... well then your already deaf to the noise that a zed would be making in the first place. So, its either go in to the fight not being able to hear a zed because of your hearing protection, or go in being able to hear them, until the shots start."At least you understand my conflict. Either way your screwed indoors, unless your using some sort of melee weapon. Do you find this valuable? |
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ItsMrManCub |
5. RE: Hearing protection?
Apr 14 2011, 12:25 PM EDT
If I was going to be shooting heavily and I knew it then hopefully I would have the time to slip in some earplugs.
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cas13f |
6. RE: Hearing protection?
Apr 14 2011, 12:30 PM EDT
"I can shoot most of my guns without needing hearing protection, as long as its in a fairly open area. Hopefully you wont have to be shooting 30+ zeds at once. Or any at all for that matter, I would try to avoid being noticed, or move away from them if i wasn't bunkered down somewhere.I do hope you realize you are doing permanent, unrepairable damage to your hearing. You may not notice it right off, but it's still damaging you, and you're going to regret it later. Even the lowly .22LR does INSTANT damage. Do you find this valuable? |
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cas13f |
7. RE: Hearing protection?
Apr 14 2011, 12:35 PM EDT
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"Oh yeah, being indoors, even being under thick trees can make a shot a lot louder. Though, I can't really say that I would have the time to pop on a set of headphones before my shot either.There are a large number of electronic, and non-electronic hearing protection that allows you to hear normal sounds while suppressing high-dB sounds. For example, "Combat Ears", a simple ear plug, has a small vent that can be opened or closed. The open position allows normal sounds ot pass through, while suppressing gunshots (at a slightly lower dB reduction level) while the closed position protects from continuous noise or a higher dB reduction level. They cost about $4. While electronic muffs limit your spatial recognition of hearing (especially since they usually amplify sounds as well), they do protect your hearing while allowing you to still hear the outside world no problem. They range from $10 to $700, including some earplug models with behind-the-ear mics/batteries. No excuse for destroying your hearing now. Do you find this valuable? |
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FFMajorEMT |
8. RE: Hearing protection?
Apr 14 2011, 12:49 PM EDT
"There are a large number of electronic, and non-electronic hearing protection that allows you to hear normal sounds while suppressing high-dB sounds. For example, "Combat Ears", a simple ear plug, has a small vent that can be opened or closed. The open position allows normal sounds ot pass through, while suppressing gunshots (at a slightly lower dB reduction level) while the closed position protects from continuous noise or a higher dB reduction level.I've never heard of those I'll have to look it up. Is that what the military and police use? Do you find this valuable? |
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someoldbullshit |
9. RE: Hearing protection?
Apr 14 2011, 1:37 PM EDT
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"There are a large number of electronic, and non-electronic hearing protection that allows you to hear normal sounds while suppressing high-dB sounds. For example, "Combat Ears", a simple ear plug, has a small vent that can be opened or closed. The open position allows normal sounds ot pass through, while suppressing gunshots (at a slightly lower dB reduction level) while the closed position protects from continuous noise or a higher dB reduction level.Yeah, I have heard of those. They sound like the perfect solution to this kind of problem. I meant that I CAN shoot them without protection. It really doesn't hurt, and my hearing is back to normal pretty fast. I didn't mean to say that I do this on a regular basis. As far as the damage. I was really only talking about one shot, possibly two. Though this is usually only in situations when I need to shoot and don't have time to get to protection. Also... I just don't worry about it as much as I probably should. Though, as far as a .22 goes. I don't mean to argue, but I wouldn't think a .22 rifle would do any damage to your ear. I have and probably never will wear anything when im shooting a .22 Another side note. I think headphones are the way to go. Earplugs can be very very nasty, even more so if you have to use them as you would in any SHTF scenario. They can Lead to ear infections, and you do not want that when you can't just go to the doc. Also, headphones are much quicker to take on and off than plugs. Do you find this valuable? |
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cas13f |
10. RE: Hearing protection?
Apr 14 2011, 3:26 PM EDT
"I've never heard of those I'll have to look it up. Is that what the military and police use?"They were given to my by my NCO, who got them from Supply. MOSTLY, we use cheap-ass 5-flange blue earplugs. The kind you buy the 500-count box of for $7. I personally keep a small box of foam plugs because they are much more comfortable, even if they are nowhere near as fast to use. Do you find this valuable? |
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cas13f |
11. RE: Hearing protection?
Apr 14 2011, 3:33 PM EDT
Damage is done in one shot. That single impulse of high dB levels instantly damages your hearing beyond the level of repair your body can do. Any time your ears ring, damage has been done, usually unrepairable.. Any time they hurt, damage has been done, for sure unrepairable. Any time you stop being able to hear for any period of time, damage has been done beyond even that.The dB levels produced by .22LR in both rifle and pistol are well above the threshold for instant damage. The only thing I would ever chance it with is .22Short, and that's because out of a rifle (all I have in that caliber), some pellet rifles produce a louder impulse. I exclusively use earplugs, mostly disposable Silencio plugs, and a couple pairs of nicer reusable 5-flange plugs for when I plan on removing them a lot. I throw on my $10 electronic muffs over the plugs for anything over intermediate calibers for rifles. Cranked all the way up, I can hear normally. Do you find this valuable? |
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someoldbullshit |
12. RE: Hearing protection?
Apr 14 2011, 4:11 PM EDT
"Damage is done in one shot. That single impulse of high dB levels instantly damages your hearing beyond the level of repair your body can do. Any time your ears ring, damage has been done, usually unrepairable.. Any time they hurt, damage has been done, for sure unrepairable. Any time you stop being able to hear for any period of time, damage has been done beyond even that.Sounds like a nice set up. I wasn't trying to argue. I haven't looked up and straight facts and numbers, so if you know them, then I cede the issue. I never meant to say damage isn't done in one shot just that sometimes (only a few times in my life) you don't have the time or access to hearing protection before you need to fire. Out of the few times its happened to me, once was to shoot a copperhead that was too close for comfort. I carry a pistol loaded with rat shot just for them. Another,was a coydog attacking livestock. I pretty much always use protection when I know before hand I will need to shoot. Except on .22 through my rifle. I usually use earphones when shooting the pistols because they seem much louder. I'm assuming because the end of the barrel is closer to your ears. Do you find this valuable? |
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chitoryu12 |
13. RE: Hearing protection?
Apr 15 2011, 3:10 PM EDT
I've already got a ziplock baggie of cheap plugs added to my BOB and as long as they stay in, they're good up to .300 Win Mag.With your adrenaline pumping in combat, you won't really be aware of how loud gunfire is until later. Still, keep some plugs at least; you don't need your hearing going when you grow old. Do you find this valuable? |