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The Zeppelin
Apr 15 2011, 8:48 PM EDT
If zombies will eventually find you on land, then the next plan of action is to build a zeppelin, airship, or dirigible. This airship will be able to sustain a large number of people for a short time or a small number of people for a long time. It will have solar panels and wind turbines to produce electricity, have many levels for storage and living space, be filled with nonflammable helium, and will move using quite turbines. There may be a greenhouse on board for some farming but not huge scale. Eventually this plan involves island hopping in the Pacific, looking for supplies, and then eventually make a colony on Australia (If those mate aren't already dead). This plan requires MUCH planning and preproduction but could work. Many scientists and engineers would have to be involved but aside from that the plan could work well. Agree or disagree? If disagree then explain how it would fail.
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SasquatchJim |
1. RE: The Zeppelin
Apr 15 2011, 8:56 PM EDT
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Edit: Mentioned Hindenburg, then it was pointed out that it was filled with hydrogen.Anyway, this plan simply seems to be out of the reach of just about anybody. I know you said that scientists and engineers are required. Where are you going to find them? Especially ones that know how to build a zeppelin? Also, what's to stop anyone who sees the thing from taking potshots at it? A big blimp in the sky is a good indication that there's people on it. Do you find this valuable? |
SovietPrince |
2. RE: The Zeppelin
Apr 15 2011, 8:59 PM EDT
"The Hindenburg disaster makes me doubt the validity. If that happened in peacetime, what would happen after the SHTF?well actually (history lesson) Sj, the reason the hindenburg burned down is that the U.S. refused to sell helium to germany, so they had to use hydrogen. hydrogen blows up... obviously. helium doesnt so... its a delightfully simplistic idea. but there is no way you can store more than a years worth of supplies, and thats just for one person... Not worth it. Do you find this valuable? |
Daniel1709 |
3. RE: The Zeppelin
Apr 15 2011, 9:01 PM EDT
"The Hindenburg disaster makes me doubt the validity. If that happened in peacetime, what would happen after the SHTF?I don't like the plan much mainly for the same reasons SJ has mentioned. But Jim, that was a while ago, and I think blimps (if there are any left) are more modern, especially with H&S. Do you find this valuable? |
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SasquatchJim |
4. RE: The Zeppelin
Apr 15 2011, 9:02 PM EDT
"well actually (history lesson)Ah, my mistake. Still, like you said, not worth it. The time, money, and effort building the thing would probably be better spent on a fully-stocked retreat. Do you find this valuable? |
PedroAsani |
5. RE: The Zeppelin
Apr 15 2011, 9:03 PM EDT
"The Hindenburg disaster makes me doubt the validity. If that happened in peacetime, what would happen after the SHTF?"Helium. Chemistry fail SJ? Do you find this valuable? |
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SasquatchJim |
6. RE: The Zeppelin
Apr 15 2011, 9:06 PM EDT
"Helium. Chemistry fail SJ?"Naw, just a reading fail. Like I said, I recognized my mistake. The plan still doesn't seem feasible. Do you find this valuable? |
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SasquatchJim |
7. RE: The Zeppelin
Apr 15 2011, 9:09 PM EDT
"I don't like the plan much mainly for the same reasons SJ has mentioned. But Jim, that was a while ago, and I think blimps (if there are any left) are more modern, especially with H&S."Well, IIRC, in modern blimps, only the gondola can be inhabited by people. That cuts down A LOT on supply space. Do you find this valuable? |
oldannyboy37 |
8. RE: The Zeppelin
Apr 15 2011, 9:10 PM EDT
Even if you had all the stuff to make and service one, a few guys wit big bore rifles are likely to shoot you down.I'll admit, I don't know much about blimps. I imagine that if it took load of bullets it's going down. Do you find this valuable? |
brandon_a_boyer |
9. RE: The Zeppelin
Apr 15 2011, 9:36 PM EDT
"Even if you had all the stuff to make and service one, a few guys wit big bore rifles are likely to shoot you down.From what i've read zeppelins are pretty resilient to gunfire as they are not pressurized more than a few psi. We discussed this at length in a previous thread. Basically these conclusions where reached. 1. The sheer amount of specialized materials required for a project of this magnitude makes it counterproductive. 2. Zeppelins are notoriously difficult to launch, the majority of their crashes occur during takeoff. Do you find this valuable? |
FrankLeeDeRainged |
10. RE: The Zeppelin
Apr 16 2011, 8:04 AM EDT
Firstly Hindenburg burned because the Germans hat painted thermite onto the skin for technical reasons and the hydrogen took the rap because no one wanted to admit to discovering a new explosive on the eve of a world war.Second, Apart from the many problems listed above dirigibles are vulnerable to extreme weather. Earlier though someone suggested using the panic for some 'law free' gathering, and was rightly told that was daft. But it got me thinking, what thing would be valuable enough to plan a serious heist, with all the risks that entails during the panic. And an airship just might be. Assuming you are close enough to one of the tiny number of outfits that manufacture them in the U.S. or Germany. Assuming you can get some training in flying one and assuming there is a flight ready unit more or less prepped when SHTF But for building one and managing a home made one, this may amuse; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlzQq3nOj5c&feature=fvwrel Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
11. RE: The Zeppelin
Apr 16 2011, 9:02 PM EDT
"Firstly Hindenburg burned because the Germans hat painted thermite onto the skin for technical reasons and the hydrogen took the rap because no one wanted to admit to discovering a new explosive on the eve of a world war."wrong on both counts thermite was discovered in 1895 and was first used industrially by 1899 and it was regularly used during ww2 for disabling artillery. If you blame the thermite, then you also have to blame the hydrogen as well, thermite isn't exactly easy to detonate and you would have to have lit the hydrogen before you could light the thermite. Do you find this valuable? |
ZeMatch |
12. RE: The Zeppelin
Apr 16 2011, 9:29 PM EDT
The only zeppelin I'll have anything to do with on Z-day is my Led Zeppelin t-shirt in my BOB.
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ItsMrManCub |
13. RE: The Zeppelin
Apr 16 2011, 11:58 PM EDT
"The only zeppelin I'll have anything to do with on Z-day is my Led Zeppelin t-shirt in my BOB."Epic... Do you find this valuable? |
inu-dude25 |
14. RE: The Zeppelin
Apr 17 2011, 12:07 AM EDT
"Even if you had all the stuff to make and service one, a few guys wit big bore rifles are likely to shoot you down.The only way I would see it resisting being downed is as brandon mentioned the psi is fairly low, with helium being so light as long as the rest of the structure's weight is kept low it will hover fairly easily. If you are shooting from the ground, unless you're Morgan Freeman and can bend bullets, you're most likely to hit the underside of it. Which, will create a leak due to the pressure imbalance, but the weight difference of helium and air would have to encourage the helium to remain up in the top of the zeppelin, thus keeping it afloat. Do you find this valuable? |
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FrankLeeDeRainged |
15. RE: The Zeppelin
Apr 17 2011, 3:27 AM EDT
brandon_a_boyer, have a look at; 'The Freedom Element: Living with Hydrogen' by Dr. Addison Bain. Blue Note Books (2004) ISBN-10: 1878398970 Do you find this valuable? |
LucenianSurvivor |
16. RE: The Zeppelin
Apr 17 2011, 9:37 AM EDT
"If zombies will eventually find you on land, then the next plan of action is to build a zeppelin, airship, or dirigible. This airship will be able to sustain a large number of people for a short time or a small number of people for a long time. It will have solar panels and wind turbines to produce electricity, have many levels for storage and living space, be filled with nonflammable helium, and will move using quite turbines. There may be a greenhouse on board for some farming but not huge scale. Eventually this plan involves island hopping in the Pacific, looking for supplies, and then eventually make a colony on Australia (If those mate aren't already dead). This plan requires MUCH planning and preproduction but could work. Many scientists and engineers would have to be involved but aside from that the plan could work well. Agree or disagree? If disagree then explain how it would fail."on the side it's good to conserve fuel,gasoline,etc(if i'm right).but on the other side it's too.....big and so even a foolish mob can shoot it Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
17. RE: The Zeppelin
Apr 17 2011, 5:00 PM EDT
"With the semester coming to a close and summer coming up and designing the half life two machine, I'm flat out going to say that I won't be reading the book. What I will say is that from an engineering standpoint, what i've read about the Hindenburg disaster and what i've seen from the footage I believe that the hydrogen is to blame. I form this opinion for the following reasons. 1. On the video footage, the fire clearly seems to begin from inside the ship, not on the outside. 2. The experiment conducted by Addison Bain required the use of a continuous arc provided by a Jacobs ladder, something that could not occur in the atmosphere. 3. Not all of the fabric on the Ship was burned. 4. The experimentation on myth-busters showed that the ratios of chemicals in the paint was not flammable enough to destroy the zeppelin on it's own. Now, did the paint help contribute to the overall disaster? I guarantee it, but I firmly believe that the primary culprit was hydrogen. Do you find this valuable? |
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FrankLeeDeRainged |
18. RE: The Zeppelin
Apr 18 2011, 4:00 AM EDT
I thought Bain made a good case but I probably don't know as much engineering as you.And I have to admit to being biased for airships, I just like the idea. Which is why if I lived any where near Ridley Park, Pa for instance, where Rotorcraft Systems are building the 40 ton payload SkyHook HLV for Boeing I'd be including that in my survival plan. To the point of getting some fixed wing flight flight training and hot air ballooning experience. And if they had one assembled when SHTF I'd steal it! Do you find this valuable? |
TheRoamingGnome |
19. RE: The Zeppelin
Apr 18 2011, 4:14 AM EDT
why zeppelin? why not just a big sailboat?
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