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Sharpie41 |
Tokarev
Apr 23 2011, 12:57 AM EDT
There may be threads on this and if there are, sorry, but what I want to find out is is there any quality differences between the Chinese version and the Russian version? I was at the gun show here and I was really interested in a Tokarev that one guy had and it was the Chinese version, but it was almost $100 more than a Russian Tokarev that is on a website I sometimes check-outMaybe this Chinese one was in a little better condition or maybe is he over-pricing it? Also can you get larger grips for cheap for it? These were uncomfortable because they were so small, I also noticed the grip angle Toxic was talking about, but I'm sure I'll be able to get used to it. Any input would be greatly appreciated Do you find this valuable? |
oldannyboy37 |
1. RE: Tokarev
Apr 23 2011, 12:59 AM EDT
"There may be threads on this and if there are, sorry, but what I want to find out is is there any quality differences between the Chinese version and the Russian version? I was at the gun show here and I was really interested in a Tokarev that one guy had and it was the Chinese version, but it was almost $100 more than a Russian Tokarev that is on a website I sometimes check-outIf I'm not mistaken the Chinese version is a Norinco build. It should have an external safetey. Kinda simular to a 1911. I may be mistaken though. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
2. RE: Tokarev
Apr 23 2011, 1:02 AM EDT
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"If I'm not mistaken the Chinese version is a Norinco build. It should have an external safetey. Kinda simular to a 1911.Probably by Norinco, I've heard with them that they can either be WAY better, or WAY worse. I don't remember any safety, only the slide lock, but I wasn't really looking for a safety Do you find this valuable? |
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oldannyboy37 |
3. RE: Tokarev
Apr 23 2011, 1:06 AM EDT
"Probably by Norinco, I've heard with them that they can either be WAY better, or WAY worse.It may be the Yugos that have the external safety. If it functions like the two Norinco rifles I own it will be awesome, I have heard horror stories about some of their guns though. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
4. RE: Tokarev
Apr 23 2011, 1:09 AM EDT
"It may be the Yugos that have the external safety.I've heard those stories too Do you find this valuable? |
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oldannyboy37 |
5. RE: Tokarev
Apr 23 2011, 1:12 AM EDT
"I've heard those stories too"Well, it it's worth anything. Most every Norinco rifle I've encountered has had supperior internal parts to some of the American made pars. Some of the parts that go in those guns are incredibly tough. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
6. RE: Tokarev
Apr 23 2011, 1:14 AM EDT
"Well, it it's worth anything. Most every Norinco rifle I've encountered has had supperior internal parts to some of the American made pars.Oh really? There was a Norinco AR at the gun show too, might have to take a look if I see one in the future Do you find this valuable? |
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oldannyboy37 |
7. RE: Tokarev
Apr 23 2011, 1:18 AM EDT
"Oh really? There was a Norinco AR at the gun show too, might have to take a look if I see one in the future"I honestly don't know much about their handguns or ARs but I'm still mopeing that I have to change out my trigger group with Tapco parts. The Tapco Trigger is good and all but that Chinese trigger is sweet. Most of the parts in my rifle are better made than my brother's Maadi Egyptian AK, which were made on Russian machines. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
8. RE: Tokarev
Apr 23 2011, 1:20 AM EDT
"I honestly don't know much about their handguns or ARs but I'm still mopeing that I have to change out my trigger group with Tapco parts. The Tapco Trigger is good and all but that Chinese trigger is sweet. Most of the parts in my rifle are better made than my brother's Maadi Egyptian AK, which were made on Russian machines."Why do you have to? Do you find this valuable? |
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oldannyboy37 |
9. RE: Tokarev
Apr 23 2011, 1:24 AM EDT
"Why do you have to? "We have this lame thing called 922r that says that we have to have a certain number of American made parts in our rifles if they're imported and changed from their original configuration. I'm adding a muzzle break and pistol grip so I have to change out a bunch of stuff. Do you find this valuable? |
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oldannyboy37 |
10. RE: Tokarev
Apr 23 2011, 1:28 AM EDT
I'd just run a check online to see what people are saying about the handguns.I'd be willing to bet that the Russian Tokerev is not slouch so long as it's in good condition, and previous experiences tell me that Norinco tends to make pretty decent guns. I'm not an expert on the Tokerev though. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
11. RE: Tokarev
Apr 23 2011, 1:32 AM EDT
"We have this lame thing called 922r that says that we have to have a certain number of American made parts in our rifles if they're imported and changed from their original configuration.Oh yeah I heard about that law. I can't really find out before I buy it because it is from a website, I have to trust the people for their word, so I have a bit of a dilemma... Do you find this valuable? |
toxic_shock |
12. RE: Tokarev
Apr 23 2011, 1:41 AM EDT
The Chinese Tokarev is really called the Norinco Type 54. The Russian Tokarev is the TT33.The Russian Tokarev originally had no manual safety. The Ruskies figured that keeping your finger off the trigger was safety enough. An external safety was added to comply with US regs for importing. The safety is found on the frame right behind the trigger. The Yugo Tok, or M57, has an similar added safety, but it is in the same place as a 1911, and has a bit longer grip to accommodate a larger mag. Mags are tough to find for the Yugos. The Yugo and Polish models are said to have the highest build quality amongst the bunch. If I remember right the Russian and Romanian ones are about equal. The Tokagypt 58 is the Egyptian version, and has fatter grips. The Egyptian grips are popular and often find their way to the other models. There are aftermarket grips out there too. Don't know where the Tokagypt or the Norinco fall on the quality scale, though. Do you find this valuable? |
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toxic_shock |
13. RE: Tokarev
Apr 23 2011, 1:51 AM EDT
These guns are incredibly simple weapons. Whichever you choose, I doubt you'll regret it. Soviet design arms are brutally basic and robust. I choose the Yugo M57 because I wanted the extra round in the mag, and the gun came with 2 mags already. I don't see myself needing more than 2, but if its going to be your primary handgun, you may want to consider another model Tokarev which can use the much more common 8 round mags.Between the Chinese and Russian, I would go with the Russian. Knowing that a USSR officer probably carried it on his hip is cool historic thought. Do you find this valuable? |
Filadog |
14. RE: Tokarev
Apr 23 2011, 7:30 AM EDT
"There may be threads on this and if there are, sorry, but what I want to find out is is there any quality differences between the Chinese version and the Russian version? I was at the gun show here and I was really interested in a Tokarev that one guy had and it was the Chinese version, but it was almost $100 more than a Russian Tokarev that is on a website I sometimes check-outin 1994 Clinton banned the import into the USA of just about any guns from China, Papa Bush befor him had already banned the semi auto AKs but which then had been reworked into the thumbhole Mak 90s to get around it Prices after this jumped as people realised no more would be available Even today a Norinco will still sell for a premium because of this.I even seen Chinese 7.62 X39 Ammo that I used to buy for $45 a 1000 go for crazy prices Is just human nature I guess when you can't have something you want it even more maybe They brought millions of these Chinese guns into the country, I used to get put on hold forl like 15 min.when I called the distributer to buy them because they were selling so many ..was like trying to get tickets for a Dead Show. If not for the ban I think they posed to really bring in lots more stuff.... Imagaine lots of US gunmakers thanked Clinton and Bush ! Back when both were being imported the Russian guns sold for a premium. I have no experance with a Russian Tok but have a little with a chinese one and lots of Norinco SKS and AKs . I would guess that the quality would be simular between them, maybe a little better with the Russian. My experance with a Norinco gun is that they are very dependable and while not well finished are well made The Shotgun News has Tokarevs from some Eastern Europe country for $199 now. If I remember right the Norincos used to sell for $69 Do you find this valuable? |
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Sharpie41 |
15. RE: Tokarev
Apr 23 2011, 10:38 AM EDT
" in 1994 Clinton banned the import into the USA of just about any guns from China, Papa Bush befor him had already banned the semi auto AKs but which then had been reworked into the thumbhole Mak 90s to get around itThe ban isn't really an issue for me, the finish wasn't that great on the Chinese gun but thats not to much of a concern with me I can't for sure tell you the condition of the Russian one because I would be buying it from a website (Update: They do not have them anymore, but may be getting more in the future) that says they are in Very Good to Excellent Condition. Should I trust the guys at the website and buy the Russian TT33 or should I fork out the extra 100 bucks for the Type 54? Do you find this valuable? |
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toxic_shock |
16. RE: Tokarev
Apr 23 2011, 11:48 PM EDT
What condition were the Russian Toks being offered in and from which website?
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Sharpie41 |
17. RE: Tokarev
Apr 23 2011, 11:50 PM EDT
"What condition were the Russian Toks being offered in and from which website?"On the website it said Very Good to Excellent, Trade Ex Canada Do you find this valuable? |
