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humanroach |
tactical defense question
May 14 2011, 2:52 PM EDT
heres the scenario:you and your family is holed up in a single story 3 bedroom house with attached garage. there is empty lots (undeveloped) on both side with pine trees and an empty wooded lot across the street its about 3 acres big. you are expecting bandits to come F-up your sh*t. you have the only weapon in your house. do you: A. hole up in the house with your family and fight off the bandits B. hide out across the street, to fight off the bandits C. hide out in the empty lots next door to fight off the bandits. I personally like option B because it draws the bandits fire away from my family/home and towards a vacant lot. but i would also be responsible if my shots hit my family/home. what do you think? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?
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Ready_For_Z-Day |
1. RE: tactical defense question
May 14 2011, 3:01 PM EDT
"heres the scenario:Can't you just run away and avoid any unncessecary casualties? Do you find this valuable? |
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JunkCollector |
2. RE: tactical defense question
May 14 2011, 3:09 PM EDT
1. They must be piss poor bandits if your expecting them! D. I would take what we could carry and hide out behind some trees, or just walk away through an empty lot with the trees to cover or leaving. Staying and fighting is just a bad idea, in a weak position that this scenario would leave. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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humanroach |
3. RE: tactical defense question
May 14 2011, 3:12 PM EDT
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"Can't you just run away and avoid any unncessecary casualties?"in the real world running is usually the best option, but sometime staying put and fighting is the best thing to do but this isnt the real world. its a fictional scenario where i have set the conditions for a question to be answered/discussed. so in this scenario staying and fighting is the only option, and it doesnt matter why i know that they are coming. it is a question of defending your home/hideout/fortress that needs to be addressed. i figured you would see where i was coming from. 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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randomknife666 |
4. RE: tactical defense question
May 14 2011, 3:21 PM EDT
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"in the real world running is always the best option.First question I have, what type of weapon, and how many rounds do I have? Second question, do I have any knowledge on how these bandits are armed? Third question, in the wooded lot across the street, is there any natural chokepoints or barriers, besides the trees? Do you find this valuable? |
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humanroach |
5. RE: tactical defense question
May 14 2011, 3:28 PM EDT
"First question I have, what type of weapon, and how many rounds do I have?1. ill go with what i would use right now. i have a 12ga pump 5 rounds in the mag, 5 rounds on the stock, and a pocket full (all 00buck) a S&W M&P40 ..4 15rd mags and a pocket full 2. i really dont have an answer. if you want you can answer this for yourself. i imagine handguns right now 3. just trees. behind that lot is another street and across THAT street is more homes. its a suburb that is being developed lot by lot Do you find this valuable? |
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randomknife666 |
6. RE: tactical defense question
May 14 2011, 3:37 PM EDT
"1. ill go with what i would use right now. i have a 12ga pump 5 rounds in the mag, 5 rounds on the stock, and a pocket full (all 00buck) a S&W M&P40 ..4 15rd mags and a pocket fullA few more questions. Are there any Z's around that I can make use of? Is there any vehicles and building materials in the garage? How long do I have before I expect these bandits to hit? Final question, how many bandits are attacking, and are they dumbarses (charge in) or do they make some attempt at planning? I apologize if these questions seem rather harsh, but If I want to make a decision, I need a little more info, than what was originally given. Do you find this valuable? |
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humanroach |
7. RE: tactical defense question
May 14 2011, 3:39 PM EDT
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"A few more questions.lol now im really interested in what you have in mind. or maybe your just being a wise guy lol either way i want to hear it, just improvise the answers and let it fly the whole scenario is just about posting guards to protect your colony while people sleep or during the day while they are working. maybe you dont know they are coming, but since you are an intellegent human being you prepare for someone to come. which would be the best location to defend from? Do you find this valuable? |
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randomknife666 |
8. RE: tactical defense question
May 14 2011, 4:27 PM EDT
Probably option A- If I've been staying put in the house it most likely has fortifications already built.Any building material left inside of the garage will be used to reinforce the barricades, and make it a little more bullet resistant, as well as setting up choke-points inside the house, in case they do make it through. A pocket full, I'll assume a pocket on my LBV, so about 40 shells in the pocket, so a total of 50 shells, including the 5 in the shotgun and the 5 on the stock. Around 100 rounds for the handgun is what I would guess it would come down to. For the sake of logic, the group of bandits has at most, 10 people, any more would make it harder than hell to come up with enough supplies from raiding hostile people, any less would make raiding extremely difficult. The shotgun would be used once they enter the 50 yard radius around my house, I would fire from the second floor window, out of a fireing slit, at the same time, I would have someone using the flash of a Camera on the 3rd floor window on the same side, It wont fool them all, but it would at least distract them a bit. After, one or two of them were down, and I'll assume they have made it into the 20 Yard range, I will have the remaining relative, armed with the handgun, start firing, at them from another second floor window, as I move to the first floor. He will follow down when he loses sight of them from the window (its barricaded, I predict he'll lose sight at 5 yards from the house.) With any luck my relative and I will have cut their numbers down to at most 5, hopefully less than 5. I will leave one door unlocked, and create a choke-point by it before-hand When they enter the door, in a hurry because they're worried that they'll receive more bullets on their head if they stay outside, me and my relative, will proceed to mop up the leftovers (we have cover, they have an open hall, with all the doors barricaded) Do you find this valuable? |
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Ready_For_Z-Day |
9. RE: tactical defense question
May 14 2011, 4:36 PM EDT
@ Random, well thought out. I should send you a compliment...
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brandon_a_boyer |
10. RE: tactical defense question
May 14 2011, 5:27 PM EDT
Option B seems best, lure them into the trees, us a combination of booby traps and various distraction methods to keep them busy and force them into a choke, then pick them off with the shotgun. the trees provide the most effective cover
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DevilNuts |
11. RE: tactical defense question
May 14 2011, 6:50 PM EDT
"in the real world running is usually the best option, but sometime staying put and fighting is the best thing to doHere we go with this garbage again. I'm not playing in your stupid scenario when the only available "tactical" options are all total sh*t. If you're not going to leave any room for improvisation, you may as well not bother. I take option Q and light myself on fire. 6 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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paranoiakid |
12. RE: tactical defense question
May 14 2011, 7:19 PM EDT
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"Option B seems best, lure them into the trees, us a combination of booby traps and various distraction methods to keep them busy and force them into a choke, then pick them off with the shotgun. the trees provide the most effective cover"I was thinking at this point, assuming that they came to the house looking for people, and if there was zombies near by. I would just open up the back of the house (leaving a loud recording of people voices playing if there was still power, if not then rigging up a rube-goldberg noise maker if I have time) after evacuating my family to the tree area then pick off the stragglers of the people with the pistol, assuming there are more zeds than raiders I might not even need to do that. from which point, I would try to salvage what I could from the house and either A.) build in the tree filled areas, or B.) take off all together because my position had been compromised. Do you find this valuable? |
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BigLoki |
13. RE: tactical defense question
May 14 2011, 7:50 PM EDT
"heres the scenario:Option B runs the risk of them heading to the house for cover I would think... unless I'm picturing the layout differently. If I were expecting them, I would relocate the family, AND myself to the woods temporarily, and fight them off from there. At least if the whole deal goes south for you, you have the option to run together, vs. being trapped in the house, cut off from an escape route. Just a thought. Do you find this valuable? |
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RA_HO_WA |
14. RE: tactical defense question
May 15 2011, 1:36 AM EDT
"Here we go with this garbage again.but you did play in his scenario. so just because you wear a uniform you know all about tactical? Do you find this valuable? |
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DevilNuts |
15. RE: tactical defense question
May 15 2011, 1:53 AM EDT
It's not about that. It's about being told what my answers are before I am asked the question, and every time it's a list of sh*t that I would not do.
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randomknife666 |
16. RE: tactical defense question
May 15 2011, 1:56 AM EDT
OK folks, is it really necessary... For sake of reference, what would you do DN?
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DevilNuts |
17. RE: tactical defense question
May 15 2011, 9:18 AM EDT
"Oh, and as a matter of fact yes I do. What on earth kind of question was this? Do I look like I'm a f*cking UPS delivery boy or something? Edited for... just, no. 4 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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18. RE: tactical defense question
May 15 2011, 9:28 AM EDT
"For sake of reference, what would you do DN?"Need more info. 1) What does the area look like (I have a sneaking suspicion the author is less than prepared to give enough details for my liking)? 2) What is the weather like? 3) What time of day is it, and how long do I think I have? 4) What else is in the area? Stores, neighbors, construction sites, etc? 5) If I magically "know" they are coming, I must also have a magical estimate of how many there are, how they are equipped, last known location/time/direction of travel, etc. I would have a very general idea of their level of training just by observing their movement for a few seconds. 6) Who all do I have with me? Just my wife? Or distant relatives? 7) Is there anything inside I honestly cannot live without? Why wouldn't we just leave and let them have it? I can make better decisions than the ones listed above, and I can make them quickly. I cannot, however, do this without sufficient information. The author has neatly pigeon-holed me into one of his choices without sufficient explanation as to how I would have arrived at those decisions. The entire idea of it rubs me in all the wrong ways. 6 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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timberrattler |
19. RE: tactical defense question
May 15 2011, 9:52 AM EDT
"Need more info.This right here. This. These should be the seven rules every scenario author should consider before ever starting a scenario thread. Thats myself included because I have fallen into the trap on creating a scenario without adding enough detail. If you want to write a quaility scenario these seven rules should be at the top of your list of things to include. If you try to pigeonhole your readers you're dead in the water before you even get that first post. I know because I've written threads like that and they will crash and burn. You'll spend the first three pages answering questions from your readers and by that time everyone will have lost interest in your thread. 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |