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Dakdalton |
Effectiveness of joint locks
May 17 2011, 11:33 PM EDT
We have a few threads on martial arts, but I wanted to begin this thread to discuss a more specific topic: joint locks.Many martial arts teach control through pain or manipulation of joint locks (sometimes explained in terms of chi, or similar concepts). While I suppose that the undead would not react to the pain that normally gives us control in joint locks, the mechanics of many of them would still let us manipulate their movements (a figure-4 lock or arm-bar would still break an arm, or provide leverage). So I guess my question is this: since undead probably don't react to pain (at least in the same way that we do), how advantageous would breaking joints (arms or wrists, shoulder sockets, elbows, etc) be against the undead? While a broken hand or wrist would not prevent a zed from grabbing for a human, it would certainly weaken their grip from a structural standpoint. A broken neck might even paralyze a rotter. It seems to me that, when fighting zeds alone and unarmed, using locks to disable zeds by destroying limbs ( "defanging the snake," as in Silat) would be advantageous not only to the individual, but to any humans the zed might encounter later. I for one would feel a ping of pride at seeing a few of them with limbs disabled in a martial arts tradition. Seems to me that if killing is not possible, one should attempt to "defang" something. Thoughts? Do you find this valuable?
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John_234 |
1. RE: Effectiveness of joint locks
May 18 2011, 12:13 AM EDT
All I can think of right now is that guy from WWZ who died because a zombie tried to grab him and stabbed him with the jagged ends of his arm bones.
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chitoryu12 |
2. RE: Effectiveness of joint locks
May 19 2011, 12:46 AM EDT
"Defanging the snake" is a good way to get yourself killed when you mess up your timing and get scratched or bit. Most silat fighters aren't dealing with an enemy that needs even a minor wound to ensure a fatality.If you're in hand to hand combat, you'll want to knock the bastard down and GTFO. Trying to bolster your ego by breaking a few limbs with your bare hands is a bad risk. Do you find this valuable? |
TheRoamingGnome |
3. RE: Effectiveness of joint locks
May 19 2011, 12:57 AM EDT
i would definetly say stay away from hand to hand combat with a zed an armbar requires your thigh to be right at his mouth and there you would get bit. besides breaking thier bones probably wont stop them from coming at you. If you do plan on breaking bones use something that gives you distance like a bat or lead pipe these are just examples.
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LJ126 |
4. RE: Effectiveness of joint locks
May 19 2011, 3:38 AM EDT
While joint locks and pain compliance techniques are very effective against humans - provided that the intended recipient is not high on PCP or extremely drunk, and that the lock is performed correctly - I don't think that they would be particularly effective against traditional undead adversaries. Actually, it just seems to me that you're asking to get bitten by closing with an arm bar.Actually applying joint locks against a resisting opponent is quite difficult. The difference between an effective lock and a non-effective lock can be less than an inch or two in one direction or the other, depending on the lock you're attempting. A wiggling, resisting opponent will naturally make it more difficult on you, and an opponent with any sort of grappling experience will see your attempt coming long before you begin to apply it and they will make it that much more difficult for you. There's a lot of subtle nuance that goes into properly applying joint locks, and if your technique is not excellent, your attempt will be nothing short of wasted energy. That being said, the arts that utilize these techniques do offer other things that are useful against undead opponents. Judo and BJJ would be very effective for controlling and responding to the movement of an undead opponent, and many takedowns (especially ashi waza techniques) would be useful in neutralizing them in the odd chance that you do not have a weapon to defend yourself. I'd have no reservations against applying tomoe nage (a basic sacrifice throw) against a zombie to ground them, then roll over and attack with boots to its head, or take the opportunity to escape. Do you find this valuable? |
