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StrykerPez |
Dozer Gate
May 25 2011, 8:53 PM EDT
Given enough time and a big enough group of survivors, you're going to need a secure fortress. Earthen walls, sandbags, and rock walls are not hard to construct. Add some Portland Cement, Ready Mix, Quickrete, or whatever you can scavenge and you got a damn fine wall. The gate on the other hand... well just watch zombie movies... they ALWAYS bust down the gate. Even a skilled McGuyver would have trouble making a gate to withstand months of abuse and not fail unless he had tons of material and equipment on hand. OR... you could "recover" a big bulldozer, like a CAT D9. Look hard enough and you will find plenty of big dozers around: The Dump, Quarries, Construction sites, Transportation Department, etc. Once you get it to your site, use it to help construct the walls and then use it as the gate itself. Create a space just big enough for the blade to fit in the wall. The big steel dozer blade becomes your gate. If you need to get a combat team out during a siege, you can simply drive the dozer forward, forcing the zombies or raiders back while your team uses it as cover. To get a team in quickly, just move the dozer back enough for them to fit, and then close it up. Do you find this valuable? |
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Reaper37 |
1. RE: Dozer Gate
May 25 2011, 8:59 PM EDT
Definitely a good idea for it being a massive, solid structure. One problem which could become an issue in time would be the fuel to run it. Unless you start pouring something else into the dozer, or have an abundance of diesel, trying to move that thing from your path would be dang near impossible.But, if this is not an issue, that would be a great door, wide enough for vehicles to move in and out, sturdy and heavy enough to keep anything from pushing it, i don't care if Nemesis himself came walking up to it, that thing aint budging. I actually have a very large open pit Copper Mine only about 10 miles give or take from my house, and from my BOB, it would only be about a 100 miles. They have some of these, as well as other very large machinery they use up there, so finding one would not be a problem for myself.... Do you find this valuable? |
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timberrattler |
2. RE: Dozer Gate
May 25 2011, 9:03 PM EDT
Very good idea, I like it. Most important thing would be to treat that dozer like your very best girlfriend maintance wise. Wouldn't want that thing dying when you need it most. Do you find this valuable? |
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Jahadaz |
3. RE: Dozer Gate
May 25 2011, 9:05 PM EDT
" Wouldn't want that thing dying when you need it most."Or refusing to start. Those blades have got to be a good 1/2" thick aren't they? I've never bothered to look at one closely. Do you find this valuable? |
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StrykerPez |
4. RE: Dozer Gate
May 25 2011, 9:19 PM EDT
about 3/4 thick with 3/8 wear plates welded on as well.
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nate121 |
5. RE: Dozer Gate
May 25 2011, 9:21 PM EDT
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Why didn't I come up with this... all my current gate designs include the use of large thick logs and hand winches, but this is just all around better as long as the fuel holds
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StrykerPez |
6. RE: Dozer Gate
May 25 2011, 9:22 PM EDT
and as far as the fuel goes, diesels aren't too picky as long as you filter it good. They'll run on damn near anything.
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JunkCollector |
7. RE: Dozer Gate
May 25 2011, 9:28 PM EDT
I thought about an school bus with the side facing out armored with scrap metal sheets. Then even if it won't start or no diesel a group of 4 or more could push it a side from the opening. and you could use it as an escape vehicle. A large dozer seems to heavy to move by man power
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forvalaka |
8. RE: Dozer Gate
May 25 2011, 9:37 PM EDT
Kinda reminds me of the bus gate in The Road Warrior. That seemed to work pretty well. I think I'd use the dozer for keeping the bjodies from piling up around the perimeter barrier though, assuming that became necessary. Don't want them piling up so deep that they can just walk in.
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SovietPrince |
9. RE: Dozer Gate
May 25 2011, 9:47 PM EDT
"Definitely a good idea for it being a massive, solid structure. One problem which could become an issue in time would be the fuel to run it. Unless you start pouring something else into the dozer, or have an abundance of diesel, trying to move that thing from your path would be dang near impossible.well, an interesting thing as well.. would be: how to get that dozer to your location? You can't just drive a tracked vehicle 100 miles.. or even down a road. Its too slow. if you're in a zedpoc, you definitely need to be moving faster.Luckily, i have the solution to my own question! Most of these sites have to have flatbeds to move things. So its a bi-winning situation. You can get your bulldozer to your fortress location, and then continue to use that flatbed(or the semi cab and a different trailer) to haul resources and materials. Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
10. RE: Dozer Gate
May 25 2011, 9:50 PM EDT
I like this idea, I'm just apprehensive about the Dozer not starting and the fuel requirements.There's quite a few factors behind effective gate design. There's no doubt in my mind that I could build a gate that would be next to impossible to penetrate. The problem lies in opening and closing it easily and quickly. Heavy vertically-hinged doors would have to be on well-balanced hinges. A tractor would have to be very well maintained, A portcullis system would have to be counterbalanced. Personally I like the idea of a combo drawbridge/portcullis myself. But that would require immense fabrication time. The dozer has the perks of being much faster, and very intimidating. Do you find this valuable? |
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SovietPrince |
11. RE: Dozer Gate
May 25 2011, 10:40 PM EDT
"I like this idea, I'm just apprehensive about the Dozer not starting and the fuel requirements.moat? Do you find this valuable? |
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forvalaka |
12. RE: Dozer Gate
May 25 2011, 10:52 PM EDT
I designed the gate for the truck entrance of a structural steel company I worked for once. It was a two leaf swinging gate, hinged for a 225 degree arc. The hinges were nothing too carefully machined. Just thick plates with a bar stock hinge pin. There was no thought given to balance. It was largely a brute force kinda design. Fifteen years later they are still using it.
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brandon_a_boyer |
13. RE: Dozer Gate
May 25 2011, 10:59 PM EDT
"moat?"If a moat's feasible, then yeah, but even without the moat a drawbridge type door and a portcullis have advantages. A drawbridge can be quickly raised with less effort than it would take to lift it vertically. A portcullis offers a secondary layer of defense. Using both in unison allows for an area for visual inspection and disarmament if need be. I will however improve on the original designs, in addition to the mechanisms used to open/close them I would want actual Physical latching mechanisms which would essentially require two parties to open them. A quick release mechanism that drops the counterweights from the portcullis would also be useful. Do you find this valuable? |
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Reaper37 |
14. RE: Dozer Gate
May 26 2011, 12:55 AM EDT
"well, an interesting thing as well.. would be: how to get that dozer to your location?Oh i completely agree. Despite the fact i find this to be a pretty good idea, i personally would probably not use this for the gate in my compound, other plans for that. I just wanted to make note of a location near my area which houses these, kinda enforcing what Stryker had mentioned about be able to find one. Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
15. RE: Dozer Gate
May 26 2011, 1:12 AM EDT
"I designed the gate for the truck entrance of a structural steel company I worked for once. It was a two leaf swinging gate, hinged for a 225 degree arc. The hinges were nothing too carefully machined. Just thick plates with a bar stock hinge pin. There was no thought given to balance. It was largely a brute force kinda design. Fifteen years later they are still using it."Interesting. What was it made of? How big was it? How heavy do you think it was? How many people did it take to open it? Do you find this valuable? |
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DLOWTHEMAD |
16. RE: Dozer Gate
May 26 2011, 10:46 AM EDT
" A large dozer seems to heavy to move by man power"Actually, when I was in the Marines, we had a great trick to pull stuck M1 Abrams tanks out of the soupy Kentucky mud at the (then) tank warfare training center at Fort Knox... It was all 7th grade science... We used block and tackle, ropes run through a series of pulleys, to multiply our muscle. Each pulley halves the load, and doubles the distance you have to pull. Basically you trade distance for load. A four man team is capable of pulling a tank out of hip deep mud. It takes alot of work, rope, and pulleys. But if you have a strong anchor and a few strong backs, you (and basic science) can do just about anything man has achieved with internal combustion engines and electricity. Seriously, man had explored most of the globe, built some of the (still) largest structures on earth, and moved very heavy things long before the industrial revolution. We aren't gonna be able to roll over and say "We can't do it, we don't have power or gas" We will just have to man up and figure out a way. Stryker, I love the idea. The only real downfall I see is settling. A weight that big is giong to sink into just about any type of ground over time, especially grass, concrete, and asphault/tarmac. You will need to have A large stone slab or steel plates to spread the weight out if you want it to be easy or fast to move. Do you find this valuable? |
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forvalaka |
17. RE: Dozer Gate
May 26 2011, 10:51 AM EDT
"Interesting.It's been a while and I don't have copies of those drawings to look at, so all of this is approximate but not far off. So here it goes... The frame of the gate was L4x4 structural steel angles, I don't recall the thickness but it was probably 1/4" at least. The internal bracing was likely smaller, like 2-1/2" angle. It was all welded and had a facing of expanded wire mesh. It was arranged a lot like a truss you'd see in a bridge or long span roof. The hinge plates were about 1-1/2" plate and the hinge pins were 2" round bar stock. The posts were XX strength structural pipe, 4" or 6" dia. and were set in concrete. The opening was between 25' and 30', big ehough to pass an 18 wheel rig with a trailer load of steel beams. So each leaf was between 12' and 15' long. It was 8' at the posts and sloped to 6' in the middle. It sat about 4" off the ground. I don't have references for structural shapes anymore, so I can't give too accurate an estimate of the weight. A conservative guess - each leaf of the gate probably weighed between 500 and 700 lbs. The entry was at the end of an asscess driveway about 50 yards or so long. The right side followed the fenceline and the yard was on the left, so the right side could only swing 90 degrees. The left side swung just short of 270 degrees so it would be out of the way when the trucks turned around in the yard. I went out to look at the gate when it was up. I didn't get to see my designs in place very often, most of them were in other states. I opened it myself without much difficulty. I'm no stronger than the average desk monkey. Do you find this valuable? |
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FrankLeeDeRainged |
18. RE: Dozer Gate
May 26 2011, 12:23 PM EDT
Some interesting ideas here but there may be a simpler solution. Think of a field gun or old fashioned cannon carriage. Your actual gate would be mounted on wheels like the cannon and the arms or 'trail' leads off behind.Not only does the trail make the door easy to manage (whatever the weight is) but the more pressure applied to the outside of the door causes the trail dig itself in further. As it was designed to limit the recoil of a gun, no? The heavier the door the longer the trail, I suppose you could mount a gun in it. . . You might as well. . . _ Do you find this valuable? |
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DLOWTHEMAD |
19. RE: Dozer Gate
May 26 2011, 12:52 PM EDT
"Some interesting ideas here but there may be a simpler solution. Think of a field gun or old fashioned cannon carriage. Your actual gate would be mounted on wheels like the cannon and the arms or 'trail' leads off behind.Even with the tail, cannons still slid backward. The tail would keep it from tipping over great, but not sliding backwards... If you use as is, if you keep that in mind and think it over it's probably workable though Do you find this valuable? |