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bigd730	melee or guns May 29 2011, 11:51 PM EDT witch do u think is better Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: Chat Freenode Internet Relay Chat IRC Relay Webchat Zombie Zombie Chat Zombie Survival Chat
Acroman	1. RE: melee or guns May 30 2011, 12:00 AM EDT There are literally DOZENS of threads on this very subject. Look them over for an idea of what people think. P.S. Welcome to the site. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sharpie41	2. RE: melee or guns May 30 2011, 12:38 AM EDT \| Post edited: May 30 2011, 9:13 AM EDT And please learn to spell Welcome to the site by the way I say both, I have guns as well as melee weapons Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
DonovanRichter	3. RE: melee or guns May 30 2011, 2:15 AM EDT Even though I specialize in melee, I don't know if I'd say I think it's better. =_= But there are some very cramped areas where I could see very specialized melee styles and arsenals outperforming anything else. 'Course part of the reason why I choose melee is cuz it's my hobby, just like how the gun-toting members of this site seemed to be into guns before they started thinking way too much about zombies. =^_^= Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SasquatchJim	4. RE: melee or guns May 30 2011, 9:11 AM EDT Best answer: have both. There is a time and a place where each is better than the other. It's really hard to say "X is the best". It's like anything; you need the right tool for the job. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
FrankLeeDeRainged	5. RE: melee or guns May 30 2011, 1:56 PM EDT "witch do u think is better" You missed the option that requires no expensive and difficult to get weapons, no martial arts training or superhuman strength. It's a good option for very young people to remember and it's called running away. Not glorious but you wont cut your own foot off with it ; ) _ Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TheRoamingGnome	6. RE: melee or guns May 30 2011, 2:11 PM EDT Here is my answer. look at how technology progresses when we have one thing(melee) and we want something better we invent something to beat it(guns) Why do we go to war with guns now instead of swords? because (like rock paper scissors)..gun beats sword. So when you ask me which is "better" well gun is better then melee thats why we use them now. Now for which is easiest and less expensive to use then i say melee any one can pick up a bat or axe and bash something in the head. where guns take practice(unless you're using a shotgun lol). Post reply Do you find this valuable?
dooflauchwarrior	7. RE: melee or guns May 30 2011, 2:29 PM EDT both have their uses. people often say that they would choose melee before guns because with guns you have to have ammo, but melee require more energy and can break just as soon as a gun could be out of ammo. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DonovanRichter	8. RE: melee or guns May 31 2011, 9:54 AM EDT \| Post edited: May 31 2011, 9:58 AM EDT "Here is my answer. look at how technology progresses when we have one thing(melee) and we want something better we invent something to beat it(guns) Why do we go to war with guns now instead of swords? because (like rock paper scissors)..gun beats sword. So when you ask me which is "better" well gun is better then melee thats why we use them now. Now for which is easiest and less expensive to use then i say melee any one can pick up a bat or axe and bash something in the head. where guns take practice(unless you're using a shotgun lol)." I agree that guns beat swords, when used from a distance, but I don't believe in objective "better or worse" Everything has it's time and place really. But what I really have to disagree with is the notion of melee requiring no practice... =_= HonestlyI think it's hilarious how gun users frequently say this while melee practitioners frequently say the opposite. "Anybody can point a gun and pull a trigger" and all that jazz. Lets face it, no weapon can be used effectively without familiarity. =^_^= I think zombies, being as odd as they are, would make melee a viable option and even an option that has a small handful of strengths over guns. I would still suggest having both options available though. And yes, Frank's notion of running away is incredibly important. That's my most frequently rehearsed technique. =^_^= But remember, running is more than just cardio, it's using obstructions to put barriers and hurdles between you and your pursuer and using bends to lose people. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Unassigned	9. RE: melee or guns May 31 2011, 4:21 PM EDT 21 Foot rule. Keep it in mind and decide for yourself. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TheRoamingGnome	10. RE: melee or guns May 31 2011, 5:36 PM EDT \| Post edited: May 31 2011, 5:39 PM EDT "I agree that guns beat swords, when used from a distance, but I don't believe in objective "better or worse" Everything has it's time and place really. But what I really have to disagree with is the notion of melee requiring no practice... =_= HonestlyI think it's hilarious how gun users frequently say this while melee practitioners frequently say the opposite. "Anybody can point a gun and pull a trigger" and all that jazz. Lets face it, no weapon can be used effectively without familiarity. =^_^= I think zombies, being as odd as they are, would make melee a viable option and even an option that has a small handful of strengths over guns. I would still suggest having both options available though. And yes, Frank's notion of running away is incredibly important. That's my most frequently rehearsed technique. =^_^= But remember, running is more than just cardio, it's using obstructions to put barriers and hurdles between you and your pursuer and using bends to lose people. " If you are going against some one with the same melee weapon as you and you had to be a step ahead or better than they are then i could see why you would need alot of practice.but when an unarmed person or corpse is coming at you it doesnt take skill to swing a bat at some ones most vulnerable place (the head). Also guns are quite effective at close range aswell cops are being trained to shoot within 0-5 meters now because most confrontations take place that close. Dont get me wrong though i love melee. But when it comes to which is best i see that gun is best. you can even use a gun as a melee weapon or attach a knife to the gun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laArmgaM3To&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18O_i3i4-kA Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DLOWTHEMAD	11. RE: melee or guns May 31 2011, 5:38 PM EDT "21 Foot rule. Keep it in mind and decide for yourself." Why I would carry both... Keep in mind, that the weapon a person uses in melee combat can extend that to 30 feet... In a post apocalyptic situation, you never know what you'll run into. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
UNCLE_ZEDDY	12. RE: melee or guns Jun 1 2011, 1:26 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 1 2011, 1:26 AM EDT I do not get a chance to post offten but this seems like a subject that is somewhat open and closed as far as I am concerned. Guns... period. As a general rule zed need to be near you to infect you, in the name of survival the father away you can engage the enemy the better off you are. You find me a stick that I can make consitant kills at 25 yards as I can with my 9mm you may change my mind, but unlikely. This may not be the answer for everyone age, money, location and the like all play into the ability to own a gun or keep a large stock of ammo. I am blessed to live in a part of the country with low population density large amounts of sporting goods stores and a lax look at gun ownership. So again I'll say Guns everytime. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
jddisco	13. RE: melee or guns Jun 1 2011, 4:29 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 1 2011, 4:29 AM EDT The obvious answer is guns... but not only guns. I agree that guns are the most expediant means to dispose of zombies. I will also concede that anyone who can use a gun PROPERLY does posess skill. My abhorence towards guns is solely due to the ease with which people feel a sense of entitlement the instant they pick one up in this world; in a zombie world, guns will be your best friend as they are the easiest distance weapon to use with the most compact ammunition. HOWEVER, to rely on guns only is foolhardy as you expose the two major disadvantages to guns: noise; dependancy on ammo. In a zombie world, ammo will become scarcer and scarcer, and unless you manage to find someone who is able to make more bullets, guns may become more of an albatross than a tool. And without a silencer or suppressor, guns make very loud noise and can give away your position to the many hordes of zombies that may lurk in the world. While melee weapons lack the distance, there are three advantages to learning how to use a melee weapon: Exercise; Independance; Multi-tasking. Learning how to use a melee weapon will provide a decent work out, making you more fit to survive, as you are improving your stamina and pain threshold, and improving your ability to run away faster and longer. One seriously good reason to carry a melee weapon is obvious: blades/ bars/ bats don't need reloading, and if you ever run out of ammo with just one zombie left, you'll be thanking the Gods that you brought a machete. Finally, melee weapons are a not solely used for combat: the most common/ useful zombie weapons are not only designed to dispose of zombies: the crowbar is used to pry open doors or windows and is essential in the task of rescue operations; the machete is designed for hacking bushes as well as zombie heads, and is even a decent kitchen instrument; the axe can be used to chop down lumber to assist in building shelter should the wilderness be the best option for refuge. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
jddisco	14. RE: melee or guns Jun 1 2011, 4:34 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 1 2011, 4:34 AM EDT Oh, to wrap up I forgot to mention that only an idiot brings a knife to a gun fight, but only a twit would bring only a six-gun to a fight with seven zombies. My pack for two will have two rifles, two guns, a full axe, crowbar and machete; hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SasquatchJim	15. RE: melee or guns Jun 1 2011, 7:55 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 1 2011, 7:55 AM EDT "I do not get a chance to post offten but this seems like a subject that is somewhat open and closed as far as I am concerned. Guns... period. As a general rule zed need to be near you to infect you, in the name of survival the father away you can engage the enemy the better off you are. You find me a stick that I can make consitant kills at 25 yards as I can with my 9mm you may change my mind, but unlikely. This may not be the answer for everyone age, money, location and the like all play into the ability to own a gun or keep a large stock of ammo. I am blessed to live in a part of the country with low population density large amounts of sporting goods stores and a lax look at gun ownership. So again I'll say Guns everytime." Every time? Lemme play out a scenario for you. You're in a house, trying to clear the rooms. You come upon a locked door. You have to get on the other side, but are guessing there are zombies. Your weapon choices are a bull-barreled .300 Weatherby Magnum hunting rifle, or a hammer. Which would be more useful in the tight spaces? It would be pretty hard to use that rifle when the zombies are on top of you. As I said, there are times when both are the right tools for the job. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Unassigned	16. RE: melee or guns Jun 1 2011, 8:52 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 1 2011, 8:52 AM EDT "Why I would carry both... Keep in mind, that the weapon a person uses in melee combat can extend that to 30 feet... In a post apocalyptic situation, you never know what you'll run into. " I was implying that you will want both. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DLOWTHEMAD	17. RE: melee or guns Jun 1 2011, 9:28 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 1 2011, 9:28 AM EDT "I was implying that you will want both." I figured, I was actually adding to the "21 foot rule", as it was first researched with knives and empty handed. Since after the end of the world, people are gonna start using more purpose driven melee weapons, you gotta be aware that a longer weapon makes it a "30ish foot rule". Personally, I will have both... in quickly accessable positions. I would have a large dagger or short sword hanging upside down accross my back, and my BP pistol in my cowboy action rig. the fact that we're carrying isn't really that big a stretch... I think how you carry will mean everything. The best 1911 in the world in a crappy shell clip in your waist is gonna lose out to a dagger up the sleeve almost everytime. It's just about deployment speed, if your opponent has weapon in hand and your still digging, your screwed. The rigs we use now as CCW citizens or LEO may be a liability in a post apoc world. Note I said may... I know that some or most will be ok, but since alot of us carry concealed all the time, I figured it's worth mentioning that those holsters are typically a little slower to deploy, and may be a liability. Not to mention practicing smooth draw to target picture motions. Another thing to remember for those who use firearms primarily, thinking that they made everything else obsolete... A sword/knife/mace/warhammer can be drawn and used in one movement, a firearm has to be drawn, readied and aimed. . In a situation with two people squaring off at 15 feet, one with a holstered glock, the other with a sheathed longsword, if they draw down at the same time, the firearm weilder is gonna lose a hand and get run through unless he's a fast draw champion. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
UNCLE_ZEDDY	18. RE: melee or guns Jun 1 2011, 1:24 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 1 2011, 1:24 PM EDT "Every time? Lemme play out a scenario for you. You're in a house, trying to clear the rooms. You come upon a locked door. You have to get on the other side, but are guessing there are zombies. Your weapon choices are a bull-barreled .300 Weatherby Magnum hunting rifle, or a hammer. Which would be more useful in the tight spaces? It would be pretty hard to use that rifle when the zombies are on top of you. As I said, there are times when both are the right tools for the job." I can see your point but tight conditions or not I would still start off with that wonderful .300 Mag in my hands good heavy gun if need be I could use the stock as a club. Im not saying that there isnt a place for melee but I'm not trying to be infected either. Proximity is your enemy in my mind. If your woried about tight spaces I've got handguns and a bullpup sks (i can run thru a doorway with this thing sideways and not give it a second thought or turn in a standard hallway with it in shooting position) If the risk of infection was low (very low) and the zed in question were of the slow and midless type then yea I'm right there with my Louisville slugger, but a little blood splatter in your eye, mouth, nose and your just another zed to fear the pink mist. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
UNCLE_ZEDDY	19. RE: melee or guns Jun 1 2011, 1:33 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 1 2011, 2:03 PM EDT " In a situation with two people squaring off at 15 feet, one with a holstered glock, the other with a sheathed longsword, if they draw down at the same time, the firearm weilder is gonna lose a hand and get run through unless he's a fast draw champion. " I would respectfully disagree with the idea of a guy with a glock getting his hand chopped off by a guy with a sword. Here is my reason let us assume that both people are of equal skill with their weapon of choice and let us also assume that both are not stupid. If I were about to get into a pi$ing match with a guy with a sword I'm going to stay away from the sword. So as he draws and begins to run in my direction at the least I would run away untill such distance is created for me to take a shot. Even if the first shot isnt perfect as long as one lands somewhere on the body chances are the guys is no longer advancing. You have to be close enough to hit me with the blade the gun does damage at close and long range. Just my thoughts on the matter Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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