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DLOWTHEMAD	Something lots of people miss... Jun 6 2011, 12:23 PM EDT I've been trying to come up with a good thread about something new, and after a few conversations I've had lately, What I've come up with that people overlook, miss, or need to look at the most is: attitude. Now I'm not talking about feel good, self help positivity. I mean true determination to survive. Not "I'm gonna try to get ready", but "I'm gonna be ready as I possibly can". Everyone can see the difference in those statements, one leaves room to fail, the other is a concrete focus to make it happen. Why does this matter? Sereval reasons: 1.) By having the right attitude, it becomes easier to do the things you have to do to be prepared. You see a difficulty and already know your going to get around it, because you are determined to. 2.) If you're telling yourself it has to be done, there is no room for excuses to wiggle in. 3.)It opens up doors... instead of just saying "I've got a BOB" You can say, "Right now, I just have a BOB, but my next step is a BOL I can make my own now" I don't expect that survival should eclipse everything else in our lives, but if you always say "I will try" Instead of " I will do"... How often will "try" turn into "want to, but it's not easy so I can't"? Some of the plans on this site are very in depth, and some are even already in place. Do you think folks like Cub got a self sufficient BOL by trying to do it... or deciding to just do it? It's not easy to build a good plan, you can't just build a BOB and call it done. You have to have plans on places to go, routes to get there, what to do if it's not avaiable when you arrive, etc. How badly do you want to survive? Here's the link to cub's plan that I referenced: http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/Cub%27s+Plan Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: adversity attitude Bob Barker determination planning stress try William Wallace
ItsMrManCub	1. RE: Something lots of people miss... Jun 6 2011, 12:45 PM EDT "Some of the plans on this site are very in depth, and some are even already in place. Do you think folks like Cub got a self sufficient BOL by trying to do it... or deciding to just do it? It's not easy to build a good plan, you can't just build a BOB and call it done. You have to have plans on places to go, routes to get there, what to do if it's not avaiable when you arrive, etc. How badly do you want to survive? Here's the link to cub's plan that I referenced: http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/Cub%27s+Plan" Wow DLOW... I am speechless and I feel honored that you used my page as a reference. I will go a step further by saying we should do what we can to instill that attitude into the other members of our site. It is rather hard to change someone especially using the net. Are my typed words really that powerful? Survival has been what one may call a hobby in my life. Let me go into it in depth by saying that survival does not just mean apoc survival to me. Heck packing a backpack as a BOB and heading to the woods to camp for a couple of days is just the ticket I need for a little vacation. I can practice my skills such a fire building, making a shelter, maybe even get some local game with a pole or a rifle. I recently discovered a 28 mile hike located between two lakes here. I think of it as practice. Its the same environment I plan to be in post zday as well. I think this can condition my mind, with the woods still being my comfort zone it is one less distraction that could cloud my mind in a survival situation. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Capt_Bonanza	2. RE: Something lots of people miss... Jun 6 2011, 12:51 PM EDT ******** complete bs you ant afford to miss stuff it just dont happen to men like me... survivors... i saw too much bad things not happen to enough too good people to know how i can get a better grip of not missing stuff. Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
DLOWTHEMAD	3. RE: Something lots of people miss... Jun 6 2011, 3:35 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 6 2011, 3:35 PM EDT "******** complete bs " At least he knew how much the rest of the post was worth Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DEVILDOGMP	4. RE: Something lots of people miss... Jun 6 2011, 3:40 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 6 2011, 3:40 PM EDT "******** complete bs you ant afford to miss stuff it just dont happen to men like me... survivors... i saw too much bad things not happen to enough too good people to know how i can get a better grip of not missing stuff." You are definately not an officer, unless the academy or OCS are not teaching proper english anymore. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
DLOWTHEMAD	5. RE: Something lots of people miss... Jun 6 2011, 3:42 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 6 2011, 3:42 PM EDT "You are definately not an officer, unless the academy or OCS are not teaching proper english anymore." I didn't even bother, he wasn't even a boot I bet... He couldn't even spell "Taliban" the same way twice. I'm betting on about twelve years old and wanting some respect cuz his parents make him clean his room once a month. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
timberrattler	6. RE: Something lots of people miss... Jun 6 2011, 5:34 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 6 2011, 5:36 PM EDT Being wishy, washy will not get you very far in life. When I officially went to work for my Dad years ago I remember telling him I was sorry for doing something wrong and that I'd try harder next time. He told me there is no "try" in life there is only "can" and "can't". At the time I thought he was being a hardass. When it comes to survival I believe his statements make sense. You either think you can or that you can't. There can be no "try". Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
anninhilator	7. RE: Something lots of people miss... Jun 6 2011, 5:59 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 6 2011, 5:59 PM EDT "Being wishy, washy will not get you very far in life. When I officially went to work for my Dad years ago I remember telling him I was sorry for doing something wrong and that I'd try harder next time. He told me there is no "try" in life there is only "can" and "can't". At the time I thought he was being a hardass. When it comes to survival I believe his statements make sense. You either think you can or that you can't. There can be no "try"." can you survive this day? no srsly, you can get hit by a car, meteor, lightning, you can get a hearth atack, you can get shot at. You can TRY surviving tho... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
zombiekillingspree	8. RE: Something lots of people miss... Jun 6 2011, 6:01 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 6 2011, 6:01 PM EDT "can you survive this day? no srsly, you can get hit by a car, meteor, lightning, you can get a hearth atack, you can get shot at. You can TRY surviving tho..." What is a hearth attack? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
anninhilator	9. RE: Something lots of people miss... Jun 6 2011, 6:06 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 6 2011, 6:06 PM EDT when hearth takes a stick and beat you with it Post reply Do you find this valuable?
zombiekillingspree	10. RE: Something lots of people miss... Jun 6 2011, 6:10 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 6 2011, 6:10 PM EDT "when hearth takes a stick and beat you with it" That doesn't sound fun. Well if you learn something new everyday looks like I have met my quota . Post reply Do you find this valuable?
White76Knight	11. RE: Something lots of people miss... Jun 6 2011, 6:51 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 6 2011, 6:51 PM EDT "Some of the plans on this site are very in depth, and some are even already in place. Do you think folks like Cub got a self sufficient BOL by trying to do it... or deciding to just do it? It's not easy to build a good plan, you can't just build a BOB and call it done. You have to have plans on places to go, routes to get there, what to do if it's not avaiable when you arrive, etc. How badly do you want to survive? Here's the link to cub's plan that I referenced: http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/Cub%27s+Plan" I want to start by saying that I don't disagree with you, because parts of what I'm about to say next might make it sound like I do. I really DO believe that attitude is important, but I also believe its naive to think that saying "we WILL do this" instead of "we will TRY to do this" is all that it will take to accomplish certain things. In ManCub's case, for example, I would argue that his BOL, while exemplary, was not just a matter of just deciding to do it. In order to bring it all together he started with a huge plot of land and a ranch that, as I read it, his family already owned. Determination and attitude are great, and without them you won't accomplish much no matter what resources you have available, but the reverse is true as well. Without having at least some resources available, or some realistic means to get them, determination and attitude alone can only carry you so far. In our society, we often take an all or nothing mentality. We think that some goal or reward is too far out of reach, so we just don't bother. On one of the other forums to which I subscribe, however, you will often read the statement, "We cannot let PERFECT become the enemy of BETTER." Or to put it another way, "Rome wasn't built in a day." (Cont'd) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
White76Knight	12. RE: Something lots of people miss... Jun 6 2011, 6:52 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 6 2011, 6:52 PM EDT To use my own plan, for example, I do not currently have the financial resources to go out and buy a block of land and build a fortress on it, and I can be determined and say "I WILL" all day long but it isn't going to change that. I do not currently have the resources, and that is all there is too it... But a year ago I didn't have a BOB either, and now I do. It wasn't attitude or determination that made my BOB, it was the realization (via Ironhand's $10x12 project) that I could do it a little at a time. If I'd had to go out and spend $120 all at once, if I'd wanted to go out and assemble the PERFECT kit all at once, I still wouldn't have it, it simply wouldn't have happened, no matter how much "I WILL" I had thrown at it. PERFECT would have been my enemy, and an unbeatable one at that, because I didn't have that much spare cash to devote to it, and I still don't. But instead I started with a few items, and a month later added a few more, each time making my kit BETTER than it was a day earlier. This is the mindset that we have to apply to our BOL's and other aspects of our long term survival plans. Just saying "I WILL" can't change the reality of your situation, but if PERFECT is unattainable, aim for BETTER-than-I-have-right-now, and let PERFECT come later. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Redrighthand	13. RE: Something lots of people miss... Jun 6 2011, 8:42 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 6 2011, 8:42 PM EDT As a sales manager, I know what a difference a positive, determined attitude can make. A determined, focused approach to a problem (whether it's a sale or a survival situation) is, in my opinion, paramount to success. But it does have to backed up by ability. I really like Cub's comments about practicing. Getting out camping is first of all, loads of fun. Secondly, it actually puts to use a whole lot of gear, and lets you know what's important to carry and what's not. Most importantly, it focuses your mind. If you've spent cold, wet nights in a tent as a "holiday", it's not so big a deal when you're stuck in a wet, cold survival situation. You've practiced the techniques, you know how to stay warm, and you're mentally fit for the challenge. A little while ago I watched a doco. on the Australian SAS selection process. The focus on the selection was mental attitude. They threw the guys into every difficulty they could make - sleep deprivation, carrying heavy loads for long periods with no food, you name it. All focused on who had the mental stamina to keep on going when the chips were really down. You won't know what you can do, really, until you test yourself. So maybe you think you can't do something - don't know how to tie a clove hitch? Get a book on knots and learn it. Don't know if you could ever do 100 pushups? Start small, add a pushup a day. Worst case, you'll be doing 100 pushups within 3 months. But if you don't put your mind to it, it'll never happen. Yoda was right, really - "There is no try. There is do, or do not." :) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
White76Knight	14. RE: Something lots of people miss... Jun 6 2011, 10:11 PM EDT "Yoda was right, really - "There is no try. There is do, or do not." :)" LOL - Gotta respect a guy who quotes a little green muppet. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
p4p4t0m	15. RE: Something lots of people miss... Jun 6 2011, 10:55 PM EDT "You are definately not an officer, unless the academy or OCS are not teaching proper english anymore." Clap Clap Clap Thank you Post reply Do you find this valuable?
p4p4t0m	16. RE: Something lots of people miss... Jun 6 2011, 10:56 PM EDT "Being wishy, washy will not get you very far in life. When I officially went to work for my Dad years ago I remember telling him I was sorry for doing something wrong and that I'd try harder next time. He told me there is no "try" in life there is only "can" and "can't". At the time I thought he was being a hardass. When it comes to survival I believe his statements make sense. You either think you can or that you can't. There can be no "try"." In the words of the great Yoda. "There is no try, only do." Post reply Do you find this valuable?
chitoryu12	17. RE: Something lots of people miss... Jun 7 2011, 12:52 AM EDT "******** complete bs you ant afford to miss stuff it just dont happen to men like me... survivors... i saw too much bad things not happen to enough too good people to know how i can get a better grip of not missing stuff." lol wut Post reply Do you find this valuable?
rabidbeaver	18. RE: Something lots of people miss... Jun 7 2011, 1:19 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 7 2011, 1:19 AM EDT Most of the things that get me out of the bed every morning are built into the society that is currently present. I have thought long and hard about what would give me not only the right attitude but the will to survive. Since I am a teenager it is hard for me to understand what life is all about. Listening to the news sometimes makes me wonder if our species deserves to survive? If I don't have faith in human spirit how can I discover the will to survive. The only thing I can think of to give me that will is my family. Attitude will all depend whether I still have faith that society can be better. If none of these things happen what is the point? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
White76Knight	19. RE: Something lots of people miss... Jun 7 2011, 7:38 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 7 2011, 7:38 AM EDT "Most of the things that get me out of the bed every morning are built into the society that is currently present. I have thought long and hard about what would give me not only the right attitude but the will to survive. Since I am a teenager it is hard for me to understand what life is all about. Listening to the news sometimes makes me wonder if our species deserves to survive? If I don't have faith in human spirit how can I discover the will to survive. The only thing I can think of to give me that will is my family. Attitude will all depend whether I still have faith that society can be better. If none of these things happen what is the point? " Having something to live for (ie - your family) is a great motivator, but the will to live can also be described as sheer tenacity and Lord knows, you don't need to have faith in human spirit or understand the meaning of life in order to be pigheaded. In many cases the will to live doesn't need to be motivated by anything more complicated than being too stubborn to die. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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