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nativedweller	Zombie Hell in the UK Jun 27 2011, 4:14 PM EDT So I live in the UK, have no weapon experience & no driving licence. I live near the sea/marina & just a few miles from a small airport. Assuming the town wasn't overrun & my flimsy house isn't attacked right away my odds of survival/escape in those first crucial hours before the whole county goes to hell don't look too good. I know a few tricks that can buy myself some time & would instantly head to the airport. Not to be flown away although it could work, but its a lot of open ground & visibility is good, there are a lot of secure buildings. Not overly fit, I can run for a mile before I collapse, cycle further faster & quieter over most terrains.. The point is, having no guns in the as easily accessible, no military training & no idea how to drive a car.. How long do you expect the British people to last? I say a week before all towns & major cities are gone, rural areas to be gone in maybe a month, leaving only the hardened survivalists. Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: British Survival Training UK
C-Man121	1. RE: Zombie Hell in the UK Jun 27 2011, 4:27 PM EDT There are people with guns in the UK, farmers and the like. Don't go to the airport, likely to be hundreds of people. Learn how to sail. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sharkai	2. RE: Zombie Hell in the UK Jun 27 2011, 5:17 PM EDT If you're that worried you could try to improve your situation, get fitter, buy a shotgun (not to difficult in rural areas), learn to drive (not so useful post zday but whatever). You could make your house more defensible, most people won't care if you strengthen doors and windows, say it's for in case of burglary. In all seriousness that is more likely than zombies. Don't go to the airport, what're you gonna do? Hope to fly to the US? and do what? Die there? Your expectation of how long we will last just silly. One week? Zombies are just going to walk the length of this island unhindered? I'd say a week for one unprepared city to fall. But still there will be people left inside. And the word will travel fast so us Northerners should have plenty warning to prepare. I personally will use this time to move to my friends farm. I'm tired of hearing people moaning on about having no guns. You just need a reason like you being part of a shooting club and you can get guns. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	3. RE: Zombie Hell in the UK Jun 27 2011, 7:05 PM EDT One week? From when? First confirmed zombie? First UK zombie? What is the contagion vector? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
nativedweller	4. RE: Zombie Hell in the UK Jun 28 2011, 7:16 AM EDT Fair enough the fitness, driving, secure house thing is just down to me being a lazy git. But as far as guns go I still stand by what I said, unless you know some dodgy gangster they are not that easy to get hold of. Gun clubs in the UK are around but few & far between. It's not like the states & parts of Europe where you can buy a gun along with an ice cream. In saying that any local nut & there are a lot of them here in the south probably has a shooter of some kind. I'm not exactly worried about it, I mean the dead rising... But then crazy crap happens. Thinking about it, the marina is probably a good idea if there are any un damaged/invaded boats. Ok 1 week was a tad daft. Lets say London falls that would also mean most of the southern counties here would be buggered. So I think the North could hold off for some time.. Simply halt the advance of Z's by taking down the Severn & Tyne Bridges. Forcing them into the hills where they can be thinned out. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
FrankLeeDeRainged	5. RE: Zombie Hell in the UK Jun 28 2011, 10:07 AM EDT An outbreak anywhere in the UK, depending on how contagious it was, would be an outbreak almost everywhere in pretty short order. Britain is not only very densely populated but there is a great deal of mobility (do you know anyone who doesn't own a car?) Far and away your best option is get offshore. Most of the owners of boats in the marina I'd guess are not local. You have any idea how much it costs to keep a boat in a British south coast marina, trust me, most of those suckers are rich! I've said this elsewhere, making off with a boat is not hard. The hard part is keeping it (or profiting from it if your a crim). All you'd need to leg it with someone's 30 foot yacht would be bolt cutters and an oar. But your probably going to die without knowing a whole shedload of stuff about sailing and navigation. The good news is it's not hard to learn and it's a lot of fun. If I were you I'd try blagging some boat time, join a club, help someone prep their boat in the winter an they are pretty much obliged to take you out later. Get in with your fishermen (if any!) You know what I mean, smile, express an interest ; ) And don't sweat the guns thing, if your bugging out to sea you'd more use from a fishing rod. _ Post reply Do you find this valuable?
zombiekillerman	6. RE: Zombie Hell in the UK Jun 28 2011, 11:03 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 28 2011, 11:05 AM EDT ""(do you know anyone who doesn't own a car?) Far and away your best option is get offshore. Most of the owners of boats in the marina I'd guess are not local. You have any idea how much it costs to keep a boat in a British south coast marina, trust me, most of those suckers are rich! I've said this elsewhere, making off with a boat is not hard. The hard part is keeping it (or profiting from it if your a crim). All you'd need to leg it with someone's 30 foot yacht would be bolt cutters and an oar. But your probably going to die without knowing a whole shedload of stuff about sailing and navigation. The good news is it's not hard to learn and it's a lot of fun. If I were you I'd try blagging some boat time, join a club, help someone prep their boat in the winter an they are pretty much obliged to take you out later. Get in with your fishermen (if any!) You know what I mean, smile, express an interest ; ) And don't sweat the guns thing, if your bugging out to sea you'd more use from a fishing rod. _" Yes, I know many people without cars, and I live in southampton, which isnt a small city for the UK I used to go sailing with my uncle, who owned a 50' boat, and he wasnt rich, he lived in a normal 3 bedroom house, had one car and earned about 60k a year, more than most, but not rich. he also knew everybody who owned a boat in the same small docking station as him (about 75 people) and again most of them weren't overly rich, and most lived within 10km of their boats. I would agree with the buging out to sea, but you should deffinatly have some proper training first, go on a comp-crew corse and you'll be show how be a normal crewman on a small boat. then you can go for day captain ECT As you said, sailing isnt hard to learn and is fun, plus its a useful skill to know! EDIT spelling Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sharkai	7. RE: Zombie Hell in the UK Jun 28 2011, 11:21 AM EDT "But as far as guns go I still stand by what I said, unless you know some dodgy gangster they are not that easy to get hold of. Gun clubs in the UK are around but few & far between." You southerners have it tough. There's like 20 clay shooting clubs in my area, a couple of rifle clubs and plenty of actual pheasant shoots. Don't worry about it though, just keep your distance from zeds and you'll be okay. To be fair everyone should keep thier distance from the zeds but without a gun you'll have to be extra careful. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
nativedweller	8. RE: Zombie Hell in the UK Jun 28 2011, 11:36 AM EDT Agreed, you get the odd Rambo who would jump into the fray, obviously more Zeds than bullets & more balls than sense. Best thing would be to stock up as much as possible, stay in your shelter until you have to bail. Anyone read 'Day by day armageddon'? Its a survivalist story exactly like this. Cars would be pretty much useless soon anyway, with roads being blocked, fuel running out & maintenance being a factor. Not for the zombie survival thing, I quite like the idea of sailing, plenty of marinas & yacht clubs around. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
FrankLeeDeRainged	9. RE: Zombie Hell in the UK Jun 28 2011, 12:06 PM EDT "Yes, I know many people without cars, and I live in southampton, which isnt a small city for the UK I used to go sailing with my uncle, who owned a 50' boat, and he wasnt rich, he lived in a normal 3 bedroom house, had one car and earned about 60k a year, more than most, but not rich. he also knew everybody who owned a boat in the same small docking station as him (about 75 people) and again most of them weren't overly rich, and most lived within 10km of their boats. I would agree with the buging out to sea, but you should deffinatly have some proper training first, go on a comp-crew corse and you'll be show how be a normal crewman on a small boat. then you can go for day captain ECT As you said, sailing isnt hard to learn and is fun, plus its a useful skill to know! EDIT spelling" According to the European Environment Agency, 2009 survey Britain has 458 'passenger cars' to every 1000 people, that includes babies, geriatrics, everyone, that's quite a lot of cars. Romania is only a bit smaller than the British Isles and they have half that number. Uganda (nearly the same size) four! Four cars per 1000 people which if you have read Richard Preston's 'The Hot Zone' just may be a blessing. to continue the motoring thing I read an article some time ago that demonstrated that it cost less to keep your yacht on a trailer at a parking meter in central London than in many south coast marinas. (Ouch!) _ Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Deadsilence1	10. RE: Zombie Hell in the UK Jul 1 2011, 11:04 AM EDT where do you live?(town/city, not adress-.-) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
zombiekillerman	11. RE: Zombie Hell in the UK Jul 2 2011, 3:55 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 2 2011, 3:55 AM EDT "where do you live?(town/city, not adress-.-)" Southampton, its right in the south, by the isle of white. And Frank, its true that more people in britan own a car than alot of other countries in the world but from what I can find, the USA has nearly twice as many (779 per 1000) which to be fair seeing as you have god know how many times more people mean you have god knows how many more car than us. I may look into this book 'The Hot Zone' what kind of book is it? And wow, thats alot of cash to keep a boat, I only know what I know from my uncle, not proper facts. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
FrankLeeDeRainged	12. RE: Zombie Hell in the UK Jul 2 2011, 4:14 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 2 2011, 4:14 AM EDT It's the population density and the 'cars per square mile' that makes Britain a special case. Greater London district has over fifteen million people and by any kind of world average they are highly mobile. Having said that British people still have the remnants of our constitutional pragmatism and could well be less prone to the hysterical panicking that Hollywood seems to think is Americans first response to . . . anything. The people who live on the coast have an 'in' when it comes to keeping a boat. Local knowledge and creek/tidal moorings etc. But the ting-tings* are mostly owned by outsiders who are paying a mint for the privilege. * Ting-tings, the generic name given to the hordes of tupperware sailboats that pollute coastal regions with the sound of the badly secured rigging banging on the aluminium masts night and day. ting ting ting ting ting . . . Hot Zone. Superb book, very scary epidemiology and NON-FICTION! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hot_Zone _ Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	13. RE: Zombie Hell in the UK Jul 2 2011, 4:18 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 2 2011, 4:20 AM EDT "Your expectation of how long we will last just silly. One week? Zombies are just going to walk the length of this island unhindered? I'd say a week for one unprepared city to fall. " Depends. A water/airborne disease can travel much faster than a single zombie. Beyond that it can infect a great many more people very quickly. 1 zombie can represent hundreds more. It would have just been among the first to get infected. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
nativedweller	14. RE: Zombie Hell in the UK Jul 2 2011, 6:05 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 2 2011, 6:05 AM EDT That's just it, most zombie films suggest that the 'virus' is only transmitted by bites, scratches, blood & saliva. If it was airborne or waterborne we would all be 100% screwed. Unless you lived in a solar/tidal powered air conditioned bunker with filtered & purified water (assuming that will work). Obviously the odds are we'll see WW3 before we see Zeds wandering around but even so any nasty air borne pathogen is serious trouble. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Markthegenius	15. RE: Zombie Hell in the UK Jul 2 2011, 6:46 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 2 2011, 6:46 AM EDT Well, I don't know about you, but in the event of a national zombie outbreak i plan to survive. One week, where the hell did you get that from? I mean, you've got absolutely nothing at all to go on but guesswork. Don't forget we have all the various armed forces too. Not to mention the vast swarthes of armed, violent thugs Post reply Do you find this valuable?
nativedweller	16. RE: Zombie Hell in the UK Jul 2 2011, 7:48 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 2 2011, 7:48 PM EDT I already agreed that 1 week was probably a bit silly. I hate to burst your bubble but when talking about zombies I think it's all guess work. There's no exact science to it genius. Until you find zombies anywhere else in the library except the fiction section I wouldn't worry too much. I will eat my words if I'm wrong but then if it happens & I am wrong I'll probably end up eating just about anything that moves. It's alright having guns & all the survival knowledge you can cram in, but eventually the ammo will run out & unless you are on the moon you're not gonna be safe. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
randomknife666	17. RE: Zombie Hell in the UK Jul 2 2011, 7:58 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 2 2011, 7:58 PM EDT "It's alright having guns & all the survival knowledge you can cram in, but eventually the ammo will run out & unless you are on the moon you're not gonna be safe." Honestly... Why does everyone say this? Ammo can be made you know, it isn't just some magical item that appears once in a while, and as soon as zeds come just dissapears. Pretty sure some of the militaries first priorities when securing locations would be food, water, power, and ammunition. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
nativedweller	18. RE: Zombie Hell in the UK Jul 2 2011, 8:19 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 2 2011, 8:19 PM EDT It can be made yes but once the world has gone to hell you try finding someone that can produce ammo while people are being eaten alive. Even if you can find someone to do it, you need resources & that requires a workforce. I think most people are assuming that a mass panic won't set in & people won't just bug out looking after number one. Like I said though I'm a realist, by all means think positive if you think it might help. Failing all else find a religion that suits you best & hope that that works out for you. I'm not a believer but then again that's my choice. I will survive as long as I can like anyone would. I know some weird stuff has happened in the past but biologically corpses reanimating is actually quite impossible. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
randomknife666	19. RE: Zombie Hell in the UK Jul 2 2011, 9:04 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 2 2011, 9:04 PM EDT Don't you dare start a biologically it's impossible argument... I'll never get a damn nights rest... I also fail to see what the religion part has to do with any of this. Back onto the ammo topic- First off, if the military and its leaders are half as smart as the think they are (by no means an insult) the first thing they'll be doing is protecting their supply line, which includes ammunition manufacturing, and its employees. The military, as much as I disagree that there is no possibility for them to fall (no matter what country) is not a group of incompetent idiots who will fall easily. Now, to counter your view on ammo (with the worst case, all ammo is actually gone scenario) there are other projectile weapons, such as the bow, and all you truly need to make ammunition with that is a straight rod of some sort. Even without that, whilst fire is generally a bad choice, it can still be useful as a weapon should the situation demand it and you have no other choice (remember folks, fire and explosives should only be used with proper training, unless no other choice is available. Point is, ammunition is not impossible to make, people reload it all the time, which should really slow down the loss of it. Even if ammunition for firearms cease to exist there is still other weapons which could be used for ranged disposal of the undead. Now I understand that in the UK ammo may be an issue, but what I say about alternative weaponry still applies. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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