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joey.w.deese
Mosin
Jul 3 2011, 6:58 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 3 2011, 6:58 AM EDT
The mosin nagant uses a kind of ammo that isnt really that easy to find 7.62x54r.
There are several calibers of ammuniton that are way easeir to find I recomend:
22LR, 5.56(223),or 7.62x51(308). I would make sure the rifles you procure are chambered
for the 7.62x51 or 5.56 becuase these rounds have a higher chamber pressure and can lead to weapon failures. I suggest the calibers becuase they are everywhere.
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SasquatchJim
SasquatchJim
1. RE: Mosin
Jul 3 2011, 9:30 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 3 2011, 9:32 AM EDT
I've seen 7.62X54 in bulk for very cheap. Surplus ammo isn't hard to find at all.

Also, simply because a caliber "is everywhere" isn't always the best reason to get it. Because A) Rule #1 is to stock up beforehand. And B) Even if it is everywhere, ammunition is normally accompanied by people with the guns to shoot it. In addition, because they're so common, more people will be using them, and will possibly exhaust the supply faster than lesser-used calibers.

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PaganArcher
2. RE: Mosin
Jul 3 2011, 9:33 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 3 2011, 9:33 AM EDT
And I shoot 7.62X54R. It's cheap and everywhere around here. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Bravenewhell
Bravenewhell
3. RE: Mosin
Jul 4 2011, 2:17 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 4 2011, 2:17 AM EDT
Best caliber is the 7.62x39. It hits hard. Cheap. Cheap. Cheap. Cheap. Cheap. Cheap.
You get the point.
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LJ126
LJ126
4. RE: Mosin
Jul 4 2011, 2:48 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 4 2011, 2:48 AM EDT
Depends on what you wanna do with said cartridge. A 147-grain steel core bullet flying at 2750 FPS (as lobbed by a Mosin-Nagant) is going to hit a little harder than anything a rifle chambered in 7.62x39 is going to put into the fight. The 54R is considerably more powerful than it's smaller younger brother.

Personally, I think the 7.62x54R is an excellent choice for a survival cartridge. It's inexpensive, accurate, powerful, and available in large quantities in easily stored spam cans. The surplus rifles that shoot it are inexpensive, dependable, accurate and easy to maintain, if they're halfway decent examples. The Mosin-Nagant certainly isn't glamorous or refined like a tuned-up Armalite pattern rifle, but it won't fail you if you learn to love bright flashes, loud bangs and sharp kicks.

Here's an idea - get a "brand new" M91/30, clean the cosmoline and crap off of it, grease it up and plug the barrel/chamber... then carefully wrap it up in plastic and bury it somewhere safe. Bury a 440 round spam can or two of ammo (also carefully wrapped in plastic) next to it and plant a subtle marker to remind you that it's there. Even if "The Man" comes and gets your guns, you can still be an armed part of La Resistance. A rifle like the Mosin-Nagant can change history, in just the same way as Lee Harvey Oswald's 6.5mm Model 91/38 Carcano.
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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
5. RE: Mosin
Jul 4 2011, 3:04 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 4 2011, 3:04 PM EDT
You'll always want to be stockpiling and reloading your ammo anyway in a SHTF survival situation. Relying on scavenging from cops, soldiers, and survivors is a good way to run out of ammo. Do you find this valuable?    
Unprepared
Unprepared
6. RE: Mosin
Jul 4 2011, 6:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 4 2011, 6:57 PM EDT
"I would make sure the rifles you procure are chambered
for the 7.62x51 or 5.56 becuase these rounds have a higher chamber pressure and can lead to weapon failures. "
is it just me, or does this part not make sense?
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Filadog
Filadog
7. RE: Mosin
Jul 4 2011, 7:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 4 2011, 7:14 PM EDT
"is it just me, or does this part not make sense?"
You are right doesn't make sense...aparently he thinks, like many, that the military version of the .308 and.223 are a more powerful or higher pressure cartridge but this is simply not true

Pressure can be raised some in a .223 chamber gun if longer heavier military bullets are shot out of it but I have yet to hear of any trouble coming out of it
.308 chambers are the same though some sporting cartridges are loaded hotter
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Unprepared
Unprepared
8. RE: Mosin
Jul 4 2011, 8:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 4 2011, 8:26 PM EDT
i was actually talking about the bit where he says you should buy them because they can lead to weapons failures Do you find this valuable?    
chitoryu12
chitoryu12
9. RE: Mosin
Jul 5 2011, 1:16 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2011, 1:16 AM EDT
"i was actually talking about the bit where he says you should buy them because they can lead to weapons failures"
It's all a ploy to get people to have their guns fail on them so he can take the ammo from their corpses.
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zombiekilladude12345
zombiekilladude12345
10. RE: Mosin
Jul 5 2011, 1:31 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2011, 1:31 AM EDT
"Depends on what you wanna do with said cartridge. A 147-grain steel core bullet flying at 2750 FPS (as lobbed by a Mosin-Nagant) is going to hit a little harder than anything a rifle chambered in 7.62x39 is going to put into the fight. The 54R is considerably more powerful than it's smaller younger brother.

Personally, I think the 7.62x54R is an excellent choice for a survival cartridge. It's inexpensive, accurate, powerful, and available in large quantities in easily stored spam cans. The surplus rifles that shoot it are inexpensive, dependable, accurate and easy to maintain, if they're halfway decent examples. The Mosin-Nagant certainly isn't glamorous or refined like a tuned-up Armalite pattern rifle, but it won't fail you if you learn to love bright flashes, loud bangs and sharp kicks.

Here's an idea - get a "brand new" M91/30, clean the cosmoline and crap off of it, grease it up and plug the barrel/chamber... then carefully wrap it up in plastic and bury it somewhere safe. Bury a 440 round spam can or two of ammo (also carefully wrapped in plastic) next to it and plant a subtle marker to remind you that it's there. Even if "The Man" comes and gets your guns, you can still be an armed part of La Resistance. A rifle like the Mosin-Nagant can change history, in just the same way as Lee Harvey Oswald's 6.5mm Model 91/38 Carcano."
(as Bravenewhell, not letting me log in so I used a different account.)
Where I live you can get little over 2x the 7.62x39 for the same price as the 7.62x54r.
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cas13f
cas13f
11. RE: Mosin
Jul 5 2011, 8:18 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2011, 8:18 AM EDT
For some strange reason, I strongly doubt that.

Fry.jpg.

So you can get 200 rounds of x39 for $20?
880 rounds for just $75?
1760 rounds for just $144?
I strongly doubt that. Considering I'm looking at a MAJOR sale right now, on the okay surplus, at 1120 rounds for $200 for x39. I can get x54 for $20 per 100, sometimes less, ALL DAY. I can get 440 per $75 all day as well. And it's the GOOD surplus, the Russian Silvertip. Maybe if you want to buy brand-new-production-yesterday, you MIGHT be able ot get x39 for less, but with the wide surplus market for the round, you won't be able to get "a little over 2x the x39 for the same price as x54r". You can't get 880 rounds of the stuff for $144 SHIPPED like you can x54R.

I'll stick with x54R, I can buy a box to shoot, and a box to bury for the price of half the amount of x39.
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
12. RE: Mosin
Jul 5 2011, 9:47 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2011, 9:47 AM EDT
"For some strange reason, I strongly doubt that.

Fry.jpg.

So you can get 200 rounds of x39 for $20?
880 rounds for just $75?
1760 rounds for just $144?
I strongly doubt that. Considering I'm looking at a MAJOR sale right now, on the okay surplus, at 1120 rounds for $200 for x39. I can get x54 for $20 per 100, sometimes less, ALL DAY. I can get 440 per $75 all day as well. And it's the GOOD surplus, the Russian Silvertip. Maybe if you want to buy brand-new-production-yesterday, you MIGHT be able ot get x39 for less, but with the wide surplus market for the round, you won't be able to get "a little over 2x the x39 for the same price as x54r". You can't get 880 rounds of the stuff for $144 SHIPPED like you can x54R.

I'll stick with x54R, I can buy a box to shoot, and a box to bury for the price of half the amount of x39."
In Canada x39 is cheaper, but not that cheap.

If we ever are able to own guns without registering them, arms cache for me in backyard...
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LJ126
LJ126
13. RE: Mosin
Jul 5 2011, 11:38 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2011, 11:38 AM EDT
The least expensive 7.62x39 that I'm aware of is the Yugoslavian surplus stuff, and you can buy it in bulk (900 rounds) from SportsmansGuide.com for $164.97, or if you're in their buyers club it's $156.72. That's 18.3 cents per round, at Buyer's Club price.

Also at SportsmansGuide.com, one can purchase two 440-round spam cans of 7.62x54R for $184.97, BC price of $175.72. That's 21 cents per round, for a more powerful cartridge - one that will take virtually any game on the North American continent.

So yes, 7.62x54R is a little more expensive, but it will last MUCH longer because folks rarely shoot more than 100 rounds of it per range session (50 is more likely) and because there's little temptation to piss the ammo away in mag dumping. Besides, once you compute the cost of the rifle into the equation, the Mosin-Nagant is still a better value.

Wanna stock up on arms for friends and fellow survivors? Buy two spam cans and five Mosin-Nagant M91/30 rifles. If you have your FFL03, that'll cost you just over $300 for the rifles (not counting shipping) and $300 for the ammo, and you've armed FIVE people. Each rifle will come with a complete cleaning kit, bayonet, ammo pouch and sling - pour some gasoline or fingernail polish remover (acetone) in one side of the oiler, and motor oil in the other side, and it's ready for war.
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SkipNChurch
SkipNChurch
14. RE: Mosin
Jul 5 2011, 12:30 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2011, 12:30 PM EDT
Ammoman dot com offers their wares delivered to your door in the lower 48 at the price you see advertised. Bought quite a bit of both blasting and target grade ammo from them over years.

X54r is one hellova cartridge. in same family power wise as '06, 8mm Mauser, 303 Brit, most of those famous military calibers from the transition from black to smokeless powder era. I'll certainly second LJ's thoughts on "..taking any North American game..." with it.
I have hunted with and taken deer and elk, assorted smaller critters with a Finn re-work Mosin that shoots straight for me. Sights regulated, put on paper, punch accurate holes with ammo that fits you and gun.

As for cost on ammo, things are going to continue to be scarey high for some continued time. Base metals such as copper and brass are not getting less in cost. Petrochemicals to make smokeless gunpowder continue to climb in price. Primers, while not as tight in supply at moment are hard to find at less than sky high prices.
Even reloaded ammo isn't "cheap". do buy your sealed spam cans and plastic bags of ammo as you might afford. Great way to keep stored. Decent way to be able to inventory, transport, share.

Best I can suggest folks is to keep some cash tucked away in wallet, or on a debit card. When you DO find that huge decent sale or deal, have funds to buy ammo right then.
I found a yard sale a few months back, ended up taking 1k/usd out of bank and buying damn near all the reloading gear the gent left his widow. (MrsDotBoss didn't speak to me for a week) I'm three presses ahead, dies, lead, primers, tools still in boxes I've not uncovered. Be prepared to catch deals when they are offered you..

X54R is one hellova cartridge. I'm not a Mosin fan, but I can sure make one put several bullets in cloverleaf holes...

SnC
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cas13f
cas13f
15. RE: Mosin
Jul 5 2011, 1:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2011, 1:11 PM EDT
"The least expensive 7.62x39 that I'm aware of is the Yugoslavian surplus stuff, and you can buy it in bulk (900 rounds) from SportsmansGuide.com for $164.97, or if you're in their buyers club it's $156.72. That's 18.3 cents per round, at Buyer's Club price.

Also at SportsmansGuide.com, one can purchase two 440-round spam cans of 7.62x54R for $184.97, BC price of $175.72. That's 21 cents per round, for a more powerful cartridge - one that will take virtually any game on the North American continent.

So yes, 7.62x54R is a little more expensive, but it will last MUCH longer because folks rarely shoot more than 100 rounds of it per range session (50 is more likely) and because there's little temptation to piss the ammo away in mag dumping. Besides, once you compute the cost of the rifle into the equation, the Mosin-Nagant is still a better value.

Wanna stock up on arms for friends and fellow survivors? Buy two spam cans and five Mosin-Nagant M91/30 rifles. If you have your FFL03, that'll cost you just over $300 for the rifles (not counting shipping) and $300 for the ammo, and you've armed FIVE people. Each rifle will come with a complete cleaning kit, bayonet, ammo pouch and sling - pour some gasoline or fingernail polish remover (acetone) in one side of the oiler, and motor oil in the other side, and it's ready for war."
I can get 880 rounds (two cans) for the good Silvtertip for $144 all day :)

AND SO CAN YOU!
www.ammotogo.com. I love the ******' place, best place for me to find my .30CAR. Also have epic deals that are rarely ever beat, hell their normal prices are rarely ever beat.
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randomknife666
randomknife666
16. RE: Mosin
Jul 5 2011, 1:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2011, 1:37 PM EDT
"In Canada x39 is cheaper, but not that cheap.

If we ever are able to own guns without registering them, arms cache for me in backyard..."
Nevermind the backyard, see that walk in closet over there? Yep thats my arms cache.
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
17. RE: Mosin
Jul 5 2011, 1:41 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2011, 1:41 PM EDT
"Nevermind the backyard, see that walk in closet over there? Yep thats my arms cache."
Which the government could find if there was a search...
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randomknife666
randomknife666
18. RE: Mosin
Jul 5 2011, 1:43 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2011, 1:48 PM EDT
"Which the government could find if there was a search..."
But do you really think i'd leave them in plain sight? Nah, Im installing fake walls.

(to be honest, I forgot about that... I am ashamed)
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
19. RE: Mosin
Jul 5 2011, 2:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2011, 2:08 PM EDT
"But do you really think i'd leave them in plain sight? Nah, Im installing fake walls.

(to be honest, I forgot about that... I am ashamed)"
Haha, build into the walls, not add to the wall.....

Its okay bro, you're okay..
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