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toxic_shock
toxic_shock
40. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 18 2011, 6:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 18 2011, 6:22 PM EDT
"I think most revolver "pros" are really played up by wheelgun fans, such as reliability."
The only gun I've ever had to send in for warranty repair was a revolver. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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Filadog
Filadog
41. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 18 2011, 8:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 18 2011, 8:29 PM EDT
I think all these people that keep saying a modern revolver is a simpler design then a semi auto probaly don't have any experance taking apart or reparing either one.
The double action revolver has lots of small parts that have to be fitted to that particular gun, something gets out of order it is far from easy to fix

Most semi auto pistols are easy to strip down and easy to replace any parts that need it.
Think about it...What hand gun do you think is easier to replace parts like a Barrel, trigger or hammer...a S&W revolver or a Colt 1911 ?

Ive had revolvers jam or get out of order and in ever case I either had to take them home and work on them or ship them out to a gunsmith to be fixed....Most autos you can easly unjam in the field and if it does need a part you can put them in yourself

You know there are reasons why every military and about every police force uses semi autos today
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White76Knight
White76Knight
42. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 18 2011, 8:43 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 18 2011, 8:43 PM EDT
"You know there are reasons why every military and about every police force uses semi autos today"
Of course there are reasons... Rate of fire and ammo capacity. LOL
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ben360
ben360
43. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 18 2011, 9:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 18 2011, 9:21 PM EDT
"@ everybody else -- Sorry to be a d!ck but didn't we just do this thread to death like a week ago?"
That's my bad, actually. I probably should have looked for a similar thread before starting this one.

I do think safeties aren't a bad thing, though... they make it a bit harder to shoot the gun by accident or in the hands of an inexperienced shooter, and switching it off in an emergency takes all of half a second. Less, really.
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oldannyboy37
oldannyboy37
44. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 18 2011, 10:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 18 2011, 10:19 PM EDT
" I think all these people that keep saying a modern revolver is a simpler design then a semi auto probaly don't have any experance taking apart or reparing either one.
The double action revolver has lots of small parts that have to be fitted to that particular gun, something gets out of order it is far from easy to fix

Most semi auto pistols are easy to strip down and easy to replace any parts that need it.
Think about it...What hand gun do you think is easier to replace parts like a Barrel, trigger or hammer...a S&W revolver or a Colt 1911 ?

Ive had revolvers jam or get out of order and in ever case I either had to take them home and work on them or ship them out to a gunsmith to be fixed....Most autos you can easly unjam in the field and if it does need a part you can put them in yourself

You know there are reasons why every military and about every police force uses semi autos today"
I support this message.
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White76Knight
White76Knight
45. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 19 2011, 8:07 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 19 2011, 8:07 AM EDT
"I do think safeties aren't a bad thing, though... they make it a bit harder to shoot the gun by accident or in the hands of an inexperienced shooter, and switching it off in an emergency takes all of half a second. Less, really."
I agree that semis should have safeties, of course, but as I understand it, revolvers don't have safeties because they don't need them. A revolver is "safe" by its very design. Whereas a semi can't be fired until the safety is turned off, a single action revolver can't be fired until the hammer is manually c*cked. In a double action revolver the c*cking of the hammer requires a longer stronger trigger pull that can't generally be performed by accident.
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Filadog
Filadog
46. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 19 2011, 2:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 19 2011, 2:22 PM EDT
"I agree that semis should have safeties, of course, but as I understand it, revolvers don't have safeties because they don't need them. A revolver is "safe" by its very design. Whereas a semi can't be fired until the safety is turned off, a single action revolver can't be fired until the hammer is manually c*cked. In a double action revolver the c*cking of the hammer requires a longer stronger trigger pull that can't generally be performed by accident."
Why is it you think double action revolvers don't need a safety but semi auto pistols of which most today are double action as well should have them " of Course" ?

A double action semi auto has a long heavier trigger pull just like a double action revolver so is just as safe as the revolver so a safety is not "needed". This is why many popular semi autos such as Sigs don't have a safety that has to be put off befor they can be fired
They do have a Hammer drop lever that will lower a hammer and many other semi autos such as the Beretta 92 have a safety that incorporates a hammer drop too. Put the safety on and the hammer drops then many people including me would put the safety back off so to fire thev first shot you just have a long double action trigger pull like a revolver.

Today most single action autos are of the 1911 type which were designed to be carried with the hammer back and locked with a safety so these older design pistols do need a safety

I have read that the one advantage of a safety on a pistol like this is that a person grabs your gun they might not know how to remove the safety....sounds plausable but I don't know.
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TurnAndBurn
TurnAndBurn
47. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 19 2011, 2:32 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 19 2011, 2:32 PM EDT
" They do have a Hammer drop lever that will lower a hammer and many other semi autos such as the Beretta 92 have a safety that incorporates a hammer drop too. Put the safety on and the hammer drops then many people including me would put the safety back off so to fire thev first shot you just have a long double action trigger pull like a revolver.

Today most single action autos are of the 1911 type which were designed to be carried with the hammer back and locked with a safety so these older design pistols do need a safety

I have read that the one advantage of a safety on a pistol like this is that a person grabs your gun they might not know how to remove the safety....sounds plausable but I don't know. "
If you only live with responsible adults and all know gun safety half decocking bars or levers should be more than enough as they will still prevent accidental firing. If on the other hand there are children around, or idiots then make sure that you teach them all how to operate the gun and how to engage/disengage the safety features. The whole point of a half decock (which essentially converts a semi automatic into a double action for the first trigger pull) is to allow ready to use carry while also preventing the hammer from falling with enough force to cause an unintentional discharge. At this point it's mostly semantics and preference.
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2WheeledSpeed
2WheeledSpeed
48. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 19 2011, 2:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 19 2011, 2:45 PM EDT
"I have read that the one advantage of a safety on a pistol like this is that a person grabs your gun they might not know how to remove the safety....sounds plausable but I don't know. "
There are documented instances (mostly of cops) of lives being saved either because when their weapon was taken it was on-safe and the badguy couldn't figure it out fast enough, or because their handgun had a mag-disconnect safety and they managed to drop the mag in the tussle before their gun was taken. Massad Ayoob has written on the subject quite a bit.

So I believe that is a possible benefit to having a manual safety, but that's not why I choose to carry a handgun with a manual safety.
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2WheeledSpeed
2WheeledSpeed
49. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 19 2011, 2:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 19 2011, 2:55 PM EDT
"The only gun I've ever had to send in for warranty repair was a revolver. Put that in your pipe and smoke it."
One time I had my Dads .357 Smith out at the range, and after the first shot the cylinder wouldn't turn when the trigger was pulled. Turned out a little piece of crud in the ratchet was preventing the pawl/hand (whatever it's called) from spinning the cylinder. Don't know how it got in there, and I don't even know what it was.

A little piece of crud turned my fathers revolver into a one shot weapon. Reliable...
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White76Knight
White76Knight
50. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 19 2011, 3:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 19 2011, 3:02 PM EDT
" Why is it you think double action revolvers don't need a safety but semi auto pistols of which most today are double action as well should have them " of Course" ?

A double action semi auto has a long heavier trigger pull just like a double action revolver so is just as safe as the revolver so a safety is not "needed". This is why many popular semi autos such as Sigs don't have a safety that has to be put off before they can be fired"
Fair enough. If the long strong trigger pull of a DA Revolver also applies to some models of DA semi auto, then my opinion on safeties applies to them as well. My bad.

Most semis also c*ck the hammer in the act of working the slide to chamber the first round, though, do they not? And from that point only a relatively light pull is needed to fire the weapon. Unless the particular model of firearm also has a decocker, which not all do, then a safety would still be mandatory, in my opinion.
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White76Knight
White76Knight
51. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 19 2011, 3:03 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 19 2011, 3:03 PM EDT
"One time I had my Dads .357 Smith out at the range, and after the first shot the cylinder wouldn't turn when the trigger was pulled. Turned out a little piece of crud in the ratchet was preventing the pawl/hand (whatever it's called) from spinning the cylinder. Don't know how it got in there, and I don't even know what it was.

A little piece of crud turned my fathers revolver into a one shot weapon. Reliable..."
LOL - Good to know.
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mcbirrias
mcbirrias
52. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 19 2011, 5:16 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 19 2011, 5:16 PM EDT
i love my rossi .357 with speed loaders due to its power and relative ease, but i love my rugger p91 dc in . 40 because of its capacity and speed. if i had to pick one for z day revolver all the way Do you find this valuable?    
White76Knight
White76Knight
53. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 20 2011, 8:05 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 20 2011, 8:05 AM EDT
"i love my rossi .357 with speed loaders due to its power and relative ease, but i love my rugger p91 dc in . 40 because of its capacity and speed. if i had to pick one for z day revolver all the way"
Better idea... carry both.
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White76Knight
White76Knight
54. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 20 2011, 8:58 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 20 2011, 8:59 AM EDT
Another thought concerning revolvers is interchangeable ammunition. Most .357 revolvers can also fire .38 special, I don't think semis can do that. Can they? Aside from that, some revolvers come with interchangeable cylinders, which can be swapped out to allow the revolver to fire different ammo altogether. Yes, you can change the barrel and some other parts of a semi to do the same, but dropping in a new cylinder is still going to be faster and easier.

There are two models of Ruger Blackhawk Convertible, for example, that come with two cylinders. One model has cylinders in .357 and 9mm, and the other has cylinders in .45LC and .45ACP. Again, the .357 can also fire .38Spec as well. So between them, these two guns can fire at least five different types of ammo, including two of the most popular handgun rounds in the western world. Even if you don't carry any ammo for them, these two guns would be a great addition to your loadout, tucked away in the bottom of your pack, just so that you have a way to use any ammo that you might scavenge later (most likely to be .45ACP or 9mm) after your own supply of ammo in the caliber of your choice has run out.

Edited to add: By the way, the two Blackhawk models can be seen here
http://www.ruger.com/products/newModelBlackhawkConvertible/models.html
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2WheeledSpeed
2WheeledSpeed
55. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 20 2011, 9:22 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 20 2011, 9:22 AM EDT
That's true, many revolvers are able to switch calibers on the fly (.357/.38 being the most common). Some semis can kinda come close to that (with spare parts).

For example, if my friend wants to shoot 9mm out of his .40S&W Glock 22 all he has to do is change out the stock barrel for his LoneWolf 40-9 conversion barrel. He even uses the .40S&W mags. To date, he has fired several hundred 9mm rounds out of his Glock 22 with zero failures. And the exchange takes under a minute, Glocks aren't hard to tear apart.

You'll find a few guns like this now (Glocks and some Sigs come to mind) where all you need to do is change out the barrel and maybe a recoil spring and/or the magazines. Depends on the gun, but it can be done pretty easily. The caliber changes you can make are often limited, my buddy won't be shooting .45 out of his G22, but he could shoot .357SIG IIRC.
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Sharpie41
Sharpie41
56. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 20 2011, 9:28 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 20 2011, 9:28 AM EDT
"That's true, many revolvers are able to switch calibers on the fly (.357/.38 being the most common). Some semis can kinda come close to that (with spare parts).

For example, if my friend wants to shoot 9mm out of his .40S&W Glock 22 all he has to do is change out the stock barrel for his LoneWolf 40-9 conversion barrel. He even uses the .40S&W mags. To date, he has fired several hundred 9mm rounds out of his Glock 22 with zero failures. And the exchange takes under a minute, Glocks aren't hard to tear apart.

You'll find a few guns like this now (Glocks and some Sigs come to mind) where all you need to do is change out the barrel and maybe a recoil spring and/or the magazines. Depends on the gun, but it can be done pretty easily. The caliber changes you can make are often limited, my buddy won't be shooting .45 out of his G22, but he could shoot .357SIG IIRC."
You do recall correctly, all a .357 sig is is a necked down .40, with a 9mm bullet, so a new barrel is all that is needed
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2WheeledSpeed
2WheeledSpeed
57. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 20 2011, 9:40 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 20 2011, 9:40 AM EDT
"You do recall correctly, all a .357 sig is is a necked down .40, with a 9mm bullet, so a new barrel is all that is needed"
Yeah my brain doesn't function correctly right after work, so for some reason I was unsure.
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White76Knight
White76Knight
58. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 20 2011, 10:32 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 20 2011, 10:32 AM EDT
"That's true, many revolvers are able to switch calibers on the fly (.357/.38 being the most common). Some semis can kinda come close to that (with spare parts).

For example, if my friend wants to shoot 9mm out of his .40S&W Glock 22 all he has to do is change out the stock barrel for his LoneWolf 40-9 conversion barrel. He even uses the .40S&W mags. To date, he has fired several hundred 9mm rounds out of his Glock 22 with zero failures. And the exchange takes under a minute, Glocks aren't hard to tear apart.

You'll find a few guns like this now (Glocks and some Sigs come to mind) where all you need to do is change out the barrel and maybe a recoil spring and/or the magazines. Depends on the gun, but it can be done pretty easily. The caliber changes you can make are often limited, my buddy won't be shooting .45 out of his G22, but he could shoot .357SIG IIRC."
Swapping out the barrel and maybe a spring or two sounds pretty easy, but even so, swapping the cylinder in a wheelgun would still be easier and faster would it not?
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2WheeledSpeed
2WheeledSpeed
59. RE: Pistol vs. Revolver
Jul 20 2011, 10:55 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 20 2011, 10:55 AM EDT
"Swapping out the barrel and maybe a spring or two sounds pretty easy, but even so, swapping the cylinder in a wheelgun would still be easier and faster would it not?"
Possibly, I've never actually swapped out the cylinder on a revolver. It's pretty quick and easy to swap out the barrel/recoil spring on something like a Glock though, so I wouldn't let that determine my choice.
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