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humanroach	60. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Aug 8 2011, 12:51 PM EDT "You can read on Wikipedia about the various homemade mortars used by the IRA. It even mentions once instance where the mortar exploded and took out a good number of members." i dont know anything about mortars, but i wouldnt trust my life to information obtained from wikipedia. its an good source for getting a grasp of a subject, but its not an academic resource. use wikipedia as a source in a research paper when you get to college and see what you professor says Post reply Do you find this valuable?
C-Man121	61. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Aug 8 2011, 1:47 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 8 2011, 1:47 PM EDT "Being able to do that presumes you can get close enough to the walls." Sorry if it wasn't clear, I didn't literally mean get a bucket of crap and chuck it over, I would use some kind of slingshot or catapult. Or, if he doesn't have any lights, creep up at night and do it, but I think that would be less effective as they don't get the full impact of it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
John_234	62. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Aug 8 2011, 3:55 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 8 2011, 3:55 PM EDT "You can read on Wikipedia about the various homemade mortars used by the IRA. It even mentions once instance where the mortar exploded and took out a good number of members." You're saying that with the implication that an effective launch was the exception, not the rule... which was the case. In one case, even with a truck loaded with almost twenty mortars, only one actually hit. Most of them landed in the street and became duds. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
brandon_a_boyer	63. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Aug 8 2011, 4:18 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 8 2011, 4:18 PM EDT "You can read on Wikipedia about the various homemade mortars used by the IRA. It even mentions once instance where the mortar exploded and took out a good number of members." The key portion of that post is "the mortar exploded and took out a good number of members" The trick is to kill your enemy, not yourself. I have no doubt that home made mortars can be effective, but I'd be surprised to see one that could surpass 400 yards while maintaining any level of consistency. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
chitoryu12	64. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Aug 8 2011, 9:31 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 8 2011, 9:31 PM EDT "i dont know anything about mortars, but i wouldnt trust my life to information obtained from wikipedia. its an good source for getting a grasp of a subject, but its not an academic resource. use wikipedia as a source in a research paper when you get to college and see what you professor says" Wikipedia articles also post their own sources. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Unprepared	65. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Aug 8 2011, 10:23 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 8 2011, 10:31 PM EDT "I'm sure you've got some experience with pyrotechnics under your belt if you're even thinking about using a homemade mortar, but making a contact detonated high explosive is not something I could do on short notice with scanty supplies. It's both difficult and material intensive to make blasting caps and impact apparatus." my experience is mostly smoke bombs and reading, but I wouldn't plan on making one if Z-day was today. I'm just pointing out what someone with a bit more practical knowledge could do. The round wouldn't need to be high explosive, it could just be blackpowder in a pipe, connected to the blackpowder propellant by a fuse only. That said, high explosives aren't that hard to make, in terms of the materials, equipment, or methods involved. If raiders would a chemical storage area(even just a college chem lab) they could mix nitric acid with any of a dozen things to make HE. And many improvised HE don't need blasting caps or anything special to detonate on impact, due to them being what is normally in blasting caps. But even a non-explosive projectile could still do a lot of damage on impact, or be used for germ warfare. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Unprepared	66. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Aug 8 2011, 10:29 PM EDT "The trick is to kill your enemy, not yourself. I have no doubt that home made mortars can be effective, but I'd be surprised to see one that could surpass 400 yards while maintaining any level of consistency." they can easily be launched remotely. according to Ragnar Benson's book, they can go well past 400 yards, but margins of error are what high explosive warheads in large quantities are made to deal with. Regardless of what homemade mortars could do, I wouldn't see raiders with a military-issue mortar(maybe actual former military) as that hard to believe. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
chitoryu12	67. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Aug 8 2011, 10:33 PM EDT "my experience is mostly smoke bombs and reading, but I wouldn't plan on making one if Z-day was today. I'm just pointing out what someone with a bit more practical knowledge could do. The round wouldn't need to be high explosive, it could just be blackpowder in a pipe, connected to the blackpowder propellant by a fuse only. That said, high explosives aren't that hard to make, in terms of the materials, equipment, or methods involved. If raiders would a chemical storage area(even just a college chem lab) they could mix nitric acid with any of a dozen things to make HE. And many improvised HE don't need blasting caps or anything special to detonate on impact, due to them being what is normally in blasting caps. " Again, the IRA improvised mortars provide an excellent example of how effective the design is: not very, and potentially dangerous. I would rather have trained marksmen than mortars that might blow up and kill everyone. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Unprepared	68. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Aug 8 2011, 11:18 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 9 2011, 4:54 PM EDT "Again, the IRA improvised mortars provide an excellent example of how effective the design is: not very, and potentially dangerous. I would rather have trained marksmen than mortars that might blow up and kill everyone." some IRA designs did that, using the sensitive primary explosive sodium chlorate as a propellant. Some of them are just giant muzzleloaders made out of propane tanks. The Ragnar Benson style mortar is made of 3" steel pipe. the IRA Mark 6 mortar (according to wikipedia, admittedly)(used by the IRA for over 20 years, and wikipedia didn't note any fatalities from misfires) has a range of 1200 yards and is propelled by homemade gunpowder(blackpowder, in other words) set off by a small arms cartridge, with the warhead being several pounds of high explosive set off by another cartridge on impact. That was what I was talking about, not something propelled by sodium chlorate, which goes off if you drop it on a hard floor. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Unprepared	69. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Aug 12 2011, 1:32 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 12 2011, 9:26 PM EDT With systems like this, the propellant(a 12ga blank with 40grains of powder) is kept separate from the payload(6" of 2" pipe and endcaps with a 3/4" pipe nipple at one end for the blank) until ready to fire. The HE warhead could be set off by another cartridge, or by fuse and a blasting cap lit by the propellant. Non-HE practice rounds could be reused by just putting in a new blank, so someone with a bit of plumbing, a few boxes of 12ga blanks and some powder could fire a few dozen practice rounds before he's a good enough shot to take out one of your guard towers. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
jason5944	70. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Jun 19 2012, 2:07 AM EDT Old Fasioned way, snipe out your guards. Hit a wall with a battering ram. any guards that come out to engage the battering ram will be in the sights of my snipers. The ram can be armored against any small arms you have and fire proofed enough to withstand molotovs. Once i've breeched a wall i'll have tires and other acrid smokey materials burned inside your compound to smoke you out. you may have masks or respiartors for some of your people, but not all of them. If you do I can still overun you through close combat. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
jamesgoddam	71. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Jun 19 2012, 4:33 AM EDT mate i think that i'd just starve you out, chuck moltovs over the fence daily just to keep the fires up, then id throw some weed killer into your little creek. great detail on your plan, well done Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Frag-12	72. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Jun 19 2012, 3:08 PM EDT "mate i think that i'd just starve you out, chuck moltovs over the fence daily just to keep the fires up, then id throw some weed killer into your little creek. great detail on your plan, well done" @james, I dare you to try that tactic on a survivalist with combat experience. You will be wearing that flaming Molotov cocktail. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
lupinedog	73. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Jun 19 2012, 5:11 PM EDT Zedshot, you still reading these? You don't have to answer the following, just think about your scenario... what is your climate and weather patterns? Cold, hot, wet, dry Calculate for these. What happens if there is no power? What type of soil do you have? Will it support crops, will it allow creation of a cystern or pond Have you calculated your consumption ratio for your food and water based on the number of occupants Advice: If you have lots of access to the railroad ties, bunker out the roofs and build walls and passages between all buildings. If you can make them so you can see out but noone can see in, you can flex your tower guards and rotate them. Have a QRF plan. Fully extend all fields of to beyond maximum effective range of normal small arms fire Livestock takes food, lots of it. Whatever keeps the badguys out keeps you in. What happens if/when the infection gets inside your perimeter Build water traps on all available surfaces to feed a cystern Build or otherwise get a solar still for your water needs You have a bunch of med trained folks, do you have med supplies, infermary What do you do if someone gets THE bug? Figure out how to keep the fence intact from a few hundred Z's pushing on it. Maybe railroad rails stuck in the ground as bollards at 10 to 15 foot intervals and then cross rails welded on the outside of the bollards Everyone else, Bosnia had a cottage industry for making weapons including rocket launchers, mortars and small arms. A good machinist with the right tools and a kitchen chemist could make a whole arsenal. Scout out a possible second and third location in case this one falls or isn't suitable. Remember, don't have all eggs in one basket. I saw in someone else's plan that they had a lockout area where you can move a vehicle in from the outside and then clear out any Z's before you let them access the interior. More later Post reply Do you find this valuable?
shadowmancer	74. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Jun 19 2012, 5:32 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 19 2012, 6:10 PM EDT How? With a shovel and pickaxe of course, the best way to defeat a wall But seriously what I would do is take a few lessons from the crusades and the First and Second World Wars. I would not let you know what was going and do multiple things for misdirection. I would constantly demand your surrender. I would pre build log and earth bag walls to protect myself and my raiders prior to the seige I would assemble these and place them around the key points of your compound. I would encircle you like Tyre was encircled during the crusades and demand your surrender. I would begin to build a lock to reduce the amount of water you can irrigate with controlling your water source I would demand your surrender I would begin to tunnel from two of the wall forts and dig under your wall I would light low oxygen fires under your walls to heat damage the concrete I would load the caverns I’d dug with whatever explosives I could scrounge/ make /had on hand I would load a large amount of oxidizers in the caverns under your walls I would begin to seal the tunnels with stone near the chamber and packed earth for the tunnel itself I would pump additional air in to the tunnels and finally seal them I would feign an attack drawing your gaurds on top of either of the excavated caverns I would give you one final chance to surrender I would detonate the tunnels I would attack entering from both of my lovely new doors I would steal all your stuff as your walls have been shattered and your gaurds are dead I would leave the area with my booty Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
PedroAsani	75. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Jun 19 2012, 6:23 PM EDT "How? With a shovel and pickaxe of course, the best way to defeat a wall But seriously what I would do is take a few lessons from the crusades and the First and Second World Wars. I would not let you know what was going and do multiple things for misdirection. I would constantly demand your surrender. I would pre build log and earth bag walls to protect myself and my raiders prior to the seige I would assemble these and place them around the key points of your compound. I would encircle you like Tyre was encircled during the crusades and demand your surrender. I would begin to build a lock to reduce the amount of water you can irrigate with controlling your water source I would demand your surrender I would begin to tunnel from two of the wall forts and dig under your wall I would light low oxygen fires under your walls to heat damage the concrete I would load the caverns I’d dug with whatever explosives I could scrounge/ make /had on hand I would load a large amount of oxidizers in the caverns under your walls I would begin to seal the tunnels with stone near the chamber and packed for the tunnel I would pump additional air in to the tunnels and finally seal them I would feign an attack drawing your gaurds on top of either of the excavated caverns I would give you one final chance to surrender I would detonate the tunnels I would steal all your stuff as your walls have been shattered and your gaurds are dead I would leave the area with my booty" Now this is a long list. And it does seem that each of these is predicated on the success of the one before. So if you are attacked and prevented from placing your log and earth fortifications, the attack is stopped. How will you cope with people armed with rifles and scopes taking pot shots as you attempt to construct these? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
zombie0human156	76. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Jun 19 2012, 7:45 PM EDT I would set up at night after dark and set-up my snipers nest.With food and water for 3 days. Then pick-off the people in the tower in the early morning just after sunrise with the 30-06 and then I would pick off anyone else I saw. If I the time I would pour some spray that I have used when I sprayed for a farmer last year. The spray causes rashies just being near it. contact with skin cause boils. If ingested it is deadly. Which is why I don't spray for that farmer anymore. Then I would wait and pick-off people at random until you left or were all dead. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
BamaChris	77. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Jun 19 2012, 8:09 PM EDT Damn the stream at the point it comes out, thereby flooding the compound. Set up a couple of sniper blinds and take shots at anyone sticking their head up. Between the flooding and the constant harrassing fire, I figure you'll surrender in a week. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
shadowmancer	78. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Jun 19 2012, 9:53 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 19 2012, 10:08 PM EDT Somehow I double posted...... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
shadowmancer	79. RE: How would you destroy my compound. Jun 19 2012, 10:07 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 20 2012, 12:28 AM EDT " So if you are attacked and prevented from placing your log and earth fortifications, the attack is stopped. How will you cope with people armed with rifles and scopes taking pot shots as you attempt to construct these?" Well I did a piss poor job of explaining the structures didn't I. lol lets try again I am not intending to build them on site as they are modifications of the seige forts used durring the first crusade. They would be built off site and moved into place as they are a form of seige tower. I assumed too much and glossed over too much data causing the assumption that they are to be assembled in the line of fire eeep. The earth bags are added after they are in place inside the tower. My intention is to roll these structures off site and place them arround the fortifications. Pot shots wouldn't matter as I am protected. Their purpose is to provide some defence and to conceal my main plan the tunneling. As they are made of green wood they are not as flambale as dry wood providing a bit more protection . The dirt from the tunnel will be stored in the tower. I stole this idea from history lol the use of static tower forts was a common tactic in the early conquest phase of the first crusade. I should have explained limiting of the watersource through a log lock better as well. The intention is to build them down river out of the compounds weapons range but within the line of sight. The water can be used to transport the log sections into possition. All the materials are made prior to the seige and floated to the assembly area. The tunneling is all that matters everything else is meant to conceal or distract from my plan. They will assume a large seige but will instead get a large boom :D I chose a lock as I only want to limit the water supply to the area not dam it up completly. My mobile contrstucts will not be as tall as their 11th century counterparts. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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