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John_234 |
20. RE: Anger and Resentment
Aug 10 2011, 1:00 PM EDT
"Well they'd better care. Doctors in a situation where they are uncommon are worth gold.They are worth gold - when people realize they need them. I'm pretty sure you've seen plenty of campings, paintball games or general gatherings where nobody even minded first aid supplies until somebody had a boo-boo. Pretty sure things would change in a disaster, but I'm not entirely sure people would be all agreeable for "special treatment" of sawbones until the situation showed very plainly why that was necessary. Do you find this valuable? |
Carnack |
21. RE: Anger and Resentment
Aug 10 2011, 1:09 PM EDT
"They are worth gold - when people realize they need them. I'm pretty sure you've seen plenty of campings, paintball games or general gatherings where nobody even minded first aid supplies until somebody had a boo-boo.Then they'll be subject to a doctor who is sleep deprived and possibly injured or recovering from an injury. Potentially lowering their survival. Their choice. Their idiocy. Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
22. RE: Anger and Resentment
Aug 10 2011, 1:11 PM EDT
"Then they'll be subject to a doctor who is sleep deprived and possibly injured or recovering from an injury.Right, which is why I'm pointing this out. I'm saying that not all will be joy and love if people start getting assigned different things from everyone else, and that the stress of a given apocalypse means special planning and consideration for this kind of thing is important. Do you find this valuable? |
PedroAsani |
23. RE: Anger and Resentment
Aug 10 2011, 2:15 PM EDT
So would it be acceptable if the doctor was on different (not lighter) duties, but it was made clear why that was?To me, having a doctor on guard duty makes him susceptible to the possibility of a Raider sniper. That's the worst possible outcome. Him working a night shift and then being needed in surgery for another ten hours would mean he is sleep deprived, and I wouldn't want anyone in that state operating on me. Heavy lifting brings a risk of injury, and again I wouldn't want a doctor out of commission with a pulled back muscle or strained shoulder. I want to make it clear that the doctor is still doing work. "More than likely every available person will be doing the harvest and there is MR Special..Doc not even doing the bloody dishes or laundry." This is not the intention. In fact dishes and laundry are tasks that are ideally suited, since there is little risk of injury from both. There is still plenty of work that can be done. I'm just advocating that the medics avoid the more perilous situations. There will come a time when they have to save lives and heal the sick, and it's best if they are in peak condition. Do you find this valuable? |
chitoryu12 |
24. RE: Anger and Resentment
Aug 10 2011, 9:42 PM EDT
I find nothing wrong with doctors pulling the lighter jobs in their off time, and nobody else should. If you're going to cause problems due to petty jealousy, you'll either get your s*it in check or we're going to have some issues.
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John_234 |
25. RE: Anger and Resentment
Aug 11 2011, 4:28 AM EDT
"I find nothing wrong with doctors pulling the lighter jobs in their off time, and nobody else should. If you're going to cause problems due to petty jealousy, you'll either get your s*it in check or we're going to have some issues."If people weren't subject to character flaws the situation of the end of the world wouldn't be so serious :P Do you find this valuable? |
crittergetter |
26. RE: Anger and Resentment
Aug 11 2011, 10:44 AM EDT
Thats correct. John can attest to cranky, sleep deprived, jump to conclusions type people. I was said yahoo yesterday. Even good people on a bad day and add SHTF stress in mega doses. You will have people getting angry over lots of real stupid stuff. So you try to not setup a future issue if at all possible. But some people wont ever be happy and most of them will always complain its their way of dealing with stress. Its the ones that might get physical or cause a slit in the colony you want to watch out for and not give issues to. Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
27. RE: Anger and Resentment
Aug 11 2011, 4:20 PM EDT
"Thats correct. John can attest to cranky, sleep deprived, jump to conclusions type people. I was said yahoo yesterday.But even if the people in the colony are getting butthurt about it, should you change the policy, or instead clarify it and appease the whiners? Obviously, I'm one side of clarification. Do you find this valuable? |
TurnAndBurn |
28. RE: Anger and Resentment
Aug 11 2011, 9:24 PM EDT
One excellent job that shouldn't tax the physical well being of your doctor would be teaching others how to conduct first aid and perhaps more advanced medicine. Another potential job would be keeping track of supplies although you need to make sure that 'Doc isn't the type to help him/herself to anything otherwise I can guarantee there will be not only resentment but likely a mauling.
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Redrighthand |
29. RE: Anger and Resentment
Aug 11 2011, 11:11 PM EDT
I think, as others have said, that there's more than enough jobs to be done that you can divide less dangerous tasks out to key people such as doctors. That said, the doctor may not want to be left out of those tasks, and seriously, a bit of heavy lifting done correctly isn't that big a risk. Keep in mind that said doctor is likely to be the closest thing you have to a vet, as well. Anyone complaining? Simply give them to the doctor as a gopher for a day or two so they can see exactly what's involved in the doctor's busy day. I think tasks should be regularly rotated so that the doctor (or any specialist) can train everyone as much as possible.
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versagen |
30. RE: Anger and Resentment
Aug 12 2011, 12:46 AM EDT
Interesting thoughts. I think it would all depend on the medical specialist's additude. If he is a jerk about getting the small jobs, people are going to resent him. If he is nice and helpful, he should be fine. I'm guessing he would also double for a therapist, so that could help build trust with the members of the group.Jobs: Supply overseer, latrine work, making sure animals are safe and fed, cooking, trading, gathering wood, fire, tidying the camp, packing, ect. Along with his dr duties, thats a lot. Do you find this valuable? |
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crittergetter |
31. RE: Anger and Resentment
Aug 12 2011, 11:13 AM EDT
Besides defending the colony (& I agree to not risk or waste him fighting) the next biggest thing for the colony is the harvest. And like combat everyone will have a job to do.You can have the doc checking the others for injuries, over work, heat exaustion. Hell he with a helper could bring the refreshments out so hes doing both. He wont be doing real hard work but he can do his job while making the others feel he cares by coming to them with refreshments and checking them. If he see a person over working themselves he can catch it before they get hurt and releave them for a rest or bed rest. Im just saying people can be stupid on little things. It may seem stupid but people kill over stupid stuff all the time when the get strested. And after SHTF there will be stress. Do you find this valuable? |
boater1217 |
32. RE: Anger and Resentment
Aug 12 2011, 1:34 PM EDT
I am in charge of a mobile hospital and our policy is that when we are setting up everyone pitches in. Once that is done then we divide up into medical and non-medical groups to complete our mission. So I would think that during the initial phase of fortifing your position everyone would work unless there are wounded to take care of and if you are about to get overrun everyone needs to be using a weapon.
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John_234 |
33. RE: Anger and Resentment
Aug 13 2011, 1:36 AM EDT
"But even if the people in the colony are getting butthurt about it, should you change the policy, or instead clarify it and appease the whiners?Well if it's a colony then people being stressed and bitchy is a little easier to manage. I'm thinking strictly small group on the move sort of deal where you want to avoid friction as much as possible. Do you find this valuable? |
cavscout888 |
34. RE: Anger and Resentment
Dec 25 2011, 7:33 AM EST
I think I'm in a unique position to answer this question the best. I don't ever say that either.People get angry and resent people seeming to not do anything. There isn't usually medical issues needing to be taken care of, so no one cares if that person is kept well rested and unworked. They see them receving benefits gotten by the group and immediately get angry. Even if that person would be saving their lives if it called for it. A LOT of this negitive feeling comes from being stressed/tired/overworked/etc. And it is real. My CET has a cute little female medic who is very knowledgable and usually very caring. But when we first got deployed and the pressure was on, many we really ticked at her. Our CET leader never hardly tasked her with physical work, etc. Nevermind that she's a medic, not as strong as the rest of the CET which is made up of all guys, mostly cav scouts. It was frustrating, even I was ticked at her when I couldn't get her to check a truck med bag that had some bad stuff in it. Then I lost respect for her as a medic. Well things got better and our morale improved, so we weren't so mad all the time. But even now some guys feel the same about it. I don't, but that's me. When I was holding my blood covered hand to my head, she was there helping me the best a medic could. Now I'm willing to do a little extra to help her out, which I've always believed in taking good care of medics. But yes, people get ticked about that when stressed and what not. For sure. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
IrishHitman |
35. RE: Anger and Resentment
Dec 25 2011, 11:30 AM EST
The doctor would be doing mandatory checkups in my group when not engaged with something more pressing. Health needs to be closely watched.I doubt that would cause much resentment due to any idea that he's not working. Do you find this valuable? |
Zombot |
36. RE: Anger and Resentment
Dec 26 2011, 1:26 PM EST
I think Abu Falan hit the nail on the head in the first page. He should never be idle, but neither should he be risked.If people have a problem with that, they can either suck it up and keep it to themselves, or find another group with a doctor that -does- stand watch... Do you find this valuable? |
x-wolfhunter |
37. RE: Anger and Resentment
Dec 26 2011, 1:37 PM EST
Any anger or resentment that is felt toward the doctor would evaporate the second he treats one of their wounds.
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PedroAsani |
38. RE: Anger and Resentment
Dec 26 2011, 2:58 PM EST
"People get angry and resent people seeming to not do anything. There isn't usually medical issues needing to be taken care of, so no one cares if that person is kept well rested and unworked. They see them receving benefits gotten by the group and immediately get angry. Even if that person would be saving their lives if it called for it. A LOT of this negitive feeling comes from being stressed/tired/overworked/etc. And it is real."In a group that has a doctor, do you think that other group members would resent the doctor if he was given different duties to minimise the possiblity of injury and sleep deprivation?" See, here's the problem. "Different duties" does NOT mean "no duties". Now depending on what is your measurement to get the workload equal but different will depend on the visibility. Amount of time working, degree of difficulty, unpleasantness of work, etc. I think different work is fine, and no work creates resentment. But would different work create resentment even after it's explained why the difference exists? Do you find this valuable? |
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Zombot |
39. RE: Anger and Resentment
Dec 26 2011, 3:54 PM EST
I would hope not. It's work that needs done, regardless, and it's getting done. Besides, those basic menial tasks are generally not work that 'manly men' would want to have to worry about anyway, so I wouldn't see someone having a problem with it, unless they wanted to have a problem just to have a problem. And then, like I said, there's the road.
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